Telegraph Investigation: England Manager Sam Allardyce For Sale | Big Sam leaves England job

Eddie Howe.

Someone young, with ambition, who likes to play young exciting footballers. Yet he hasn't won anything so is atleast England level. I just want to enjoy watching England again, I haven't done that since Sven.


Why would Eddie Howe take the international job, club management would appeal more to him at the moment.

One game every other month would bore a man of his potential.
 
A member of my family has been involved in what has happened since the news broke over the past 24 hours. It's been an absolute shit storm and I can guarantee that neither Big Sam nor his team had any idea that this story was about to be leaked.
 
SAF is really cursed with suggesting/ picking manager... Big Sam is not yet a failure in his job, but this off pitch scandal cost him the job...

On a side note, Telegraph has recently become quite reliable. Has been spot on on quite few controversy stories
 
What "arrangements", as he described them, do you think Allardyce is talking about?

I'd need the sentence or paragraph where he used the word "arrangements" to know the context. Is he saying he can arrange it for them?

Isn't he there to discuss himself giving a speech? A speech he confirmed would have to be given the green light by the FA? If so I doubt at that point he believed he'd be presenting advice on how to get round third party ownership.
 
Sky reporter "Another high-profile manager says he was approached by Allardyce Telegraph sting team. Walked out of meeting. At least 10 managers targeted"

See Sam, it can be done?
If about half these managers are British (not so unlikely), then what is the future for British & English managers (already not rated highly in their job)?
 
I'd need the sentence or paragraph where he used the word "arrangements" to know the context. Is he saying he can arrange it for them?

Isn't he there to discuss himself giving a speech? A speech he confirmed would have to be given the green light by the FA? If so I doubt at that point he believed he'd be presenting advice on how to get round third party ownership.

The arrangements that he said he'd need to clear with the FA. Given the context of the conversations I'd be mightily surprised if that was limited to a presentation in Dubai.
 
The arrangements that he said he'd need to clear with the FA. Given the context of the conversations I'd be mightily surprised if that was limited to a presentation in Dubai.

Not being obtuse here I just don't see where he's said he's going to help these guys circumvent third party ownership.

He's said the FA will have to OK anything he does so he can't possibly be thinking these presentations will include that topic.
 
Not even the worst thing hes done as manager. his comments "who am I to tell Rooney where to play" was probably what should have got him sacked... you know... cos hes the manager...and he doesnt want to tell a player where to play.
 
Not being obtuse here I just don't see where he's said he's going to help these guys circumvent third party ownership.

He's said the FA will have to OK anything he does so he can't possibly be thinking these presentations will include that topic.

I don't think he'd be much help - he's barely coherent - but he's advocating 3rd party ownership in spite of the fact it's banned, which he's openly dismissive of. He's happily telling them the best thing to do is own the player and the agent, and he's saying it to people who openly say they want to get involved in 3rd party ownership. How is that acceptable?
 
I've been listening to BBC 5 live for the last hour and they're tearing England to shreds. Agree with all of it tbh. We're a shambles on and off the pitch.
 
Instead of being careful can't you just have integrity? I've not read through much of this but it seems like people are either blaming or sympathising with Allardyce for making a mistake, and ignoring the fact he's actively trying to help people circumvent sporting laws that are in place to protect (vulnerable) players for some easy money. Surely that's a much bigger issue than him being foolish with his words? Or have I missed something?


FINALLY! People are really glossing over the severity of what he's done. Just because you know how to circumvent laws and rules, doesn't mean that you should.

He's an asshat and I'm glad he's gone.
 
I don't think he'd be much help - he's barely coherent - but he's advocating 3rd party ownership in spite of the fact it's banned, which he's openly dismissive of. He's happily telling them the best thing to do is own the player and the agent, and he's saying it to people who openly say they want to get involved in 3rd party ownership. How is that acceptable?

It's not acceptable, even if he is only stating the reality that third party ownership still exists with the laws still being dodged.

However that's not the same as pro actively helping them to do this which was your initial point I disagreed with.
 
One positive thing for Sam is that in a few years, after his successor has failed, he'll be looked upon as a martyr. His friends in the media will start lamenting that he shouldn't have gotten the sack, and he'll revel in being the only manager with a 100% record. His reputation is tarnished but not really his abilities as a coach.
 
It's not acceptable, even if he is only stating the reality that third party ownership still exists with the laws still being dodged.

However that's not the same as pro actively helping them to do this which was your initial point I disagreed with.

He's given them advice on how to best maximise their revenues from 3rd party ownership, right there in the video. It's pretty shit advice, if we're honest, but the fact he lacks to knowledge and skills to help them do it is neither here nor there really. The fact is he is telling them on how to do it better, as best he knows how.
 
Reading a lot of comments about the journalists etc.

This is exactly what they should be doing. Rooting out corruption and exposing the backwards nature of our former England manager. It's no different to exposing Lance Armstrong. The fault lies with greedy Sam Allardyce.

What if this had been a member of FIFA? We'd have been proud of exposing them and rightly so. Likewise with our own, we need to root these parasites out and hang them out to dry. I wouldn't be surprised to see the FA implemented in this too and then put in the awkward position of having sacked the England manager only to have acted in the same corrupt manner.

Let them burn and let's rebuild.
 
He's given them advice on how to best maximise their revenues from 3rd party ownership, right there in the video. It's pretty shit advice, if we're honest, but the fact he lacks to knowledge and skills to help them do it is neither here nor there really. The fact is he is telling them on how to do it better, as best he knows how.

Him helping them boils down to one throw away line about owning the agent as well. I'm not sure that's even against the rules. It's the kind of conversation you could find in any pub I reckon. Some bloke with a big opinion of himself telling others how the world works.
 
Instead of being careful can't you just have integrity? I've not read through much of this but it seems like people are either blaming or sympathising with Allardyce for making a mistake, and ignoring the fact he's actively trying to help people circumvent sporting laws that are in place to protect (vulnerable) players for some easy money. Surely that's a much bigger issue than him being foolish with his words? Or have I missed something?

Exactly. He was brought down by excessive greed and arrogance. This doesnt happen without a cnut in place the media could grass up.
 
Him helping them boils down to one throw away line about owning the agent as well. I'm not sure that's even against the rules. It's the kind of conversation you could find in any pub I reckon. Some bloke with a big opinion of himself telling others how the world works.

I'm just not entirely sure I understand your view. You're defending him, but not really defending him.
 
A member of my family has been involved in what has happened since the news broke over the past 24 hours. It's been an absolute shit storm and I can guarantee that neither Big Sam nor his team had any idea that this story was about to be leaked.

Talk about a shit day!

He went to bed last night as England manager, set to earn several million pounds over the next couple of years and thinking he was in line for another cheeky 400k for a couple of flights to Singapore and Hong Kong.

He'll be lying there tonight thinking what the feck just happened?
 
Cant believe he bad mouthed William and Harry. The rest of the stuff is par for the course but leave the lads out of it. Hopefully hanging for treason is still a thing.
 
Yeh. It's more like a wish. Agreed that if I were Wenger, I'd stay at Arsenal also, as he's already one of the most paid manager in the world. So it's a matter of FA, how much they're willing to 'appreciate' Wenger.

I do not believe any amount of money could get Wenger to leave Arsenal in the middle of a season to manage England national team. They could offer £50M a year plus hookers for life. He would turn it down in an instant. His entire personality and psychology is far too attached to his Arsenal project of 20 years for him to abandon it even for absurd money. He probably already has well over a hundred million assuming he is a smart investor. Psychologically I think Wenger craves the success and adoration for his football project more than extra millions.

Also, I think its part of why Wenger and Mourinho dislike each other. They both have something the other has wanted - Mourinho has the European trophy success while Wenger has longevity.
 
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I'm just not entirely sure I understand your view. You're defending him, but not really defending him.

Well yeah I suppose I am. On the charge of being a prat he's guilty. For helping business men circumvent third party ownership and all the other accusations I think he's being harshly judged.

A middle ground.
 
There must be more to come out still, there's no way he's been sacked for that alone.
 
Everyone keeps saying how this is Big Sam's dream job but what if that's because of the financial reward of the job rather than the prestigeness of it? He's obviously extremely motivated by money or else he wouldn't be trying to get an extra 200k on top of the 3 million he's getting a year. Perhaps the main reason why he's always wanted a top job in football is because of the money that comes with it as opposed to be being at the top of the game. Don't get me wrong most people are motivated by financial rewards but this goes beyond hat

All I know is if i had and I'm sure many of us here on this forum got our so called dream jobs that we had been after for 20 years than we would not do a single thing to put that in jeopardy yet alone a couple of weeks after getting it. Maybe there's more to it but for me what he's done is beyond recklesness for someone after their so called "Dream Job"