Why not? I left my penis somewhere back on page 2 anyway
better than elton john?
No...But Could it be Magic is a great song ...and Gary Barlow thought so too!
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Why not? I left my penis somewhere back on page 2 anyway
No...But Could it be Magic is a great song ...and Gary Barlow thought so too!
I've just youtubed that and I disagree strongly. Very Strongly.
I think if you've spent enough time in an industry you will obviously know something about it. Enough to know that although you may not have a particular love of a band singer etc you can at least know and say that they are very good
These things are obviously down to taste but there has been enough quality songs and songsmiths for 60 /70 years to at least give us a guide as to what is strong and weak in the songwriting field
Barlow is not the greatest but he's done enough to put himself on a high quality level nomatter if you hate the music.
I'd say you should still be able to hear that whether you're a muso or an avid listener
You have to give credit where its due - reluctantly or not
Okay why not explain to me why its such a poor song then?
Why not? I left my penis somewhere back on page 2 anyway
No...But Could it be Magic is a great song ...and Gary Barlow thought so too!
phew ...
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is what Barlow is aiming for I think in style of opus , but falls way way short and that with the benefit of 30 years of hindsight
Sounds generic. Why don't you explain why it's so good?
So did I, so do I.
Catchy number, but no where near being a classic pop tune...
Also more than a tip of the hat to the Beatles.
Explain what you mean?
to be honest , if I got barlows songs on a cd with just him and a piano and hadn't got millions to produce and market it , it would stay in the pile ... I need someone like Popper who is a bit more holistic in his approach to the whole thing ... if it can be done acoustically I'm not into it in terms of business because I don't have a huge turd polishing budget
nothing at all ...just being a dick... sorry .... am trying to work but am addicted to this thread for some reason
my thoughts EXACTLY, a run of the mill beatles album track.
If this goes on we might just have the first Caf-outing because all this gayness and no gays isn't possible.
Actually it is worth returning to the thread title and for me I can hear a significant drop in overall quality in the songs from The Circus album as opposed to the comeback album but that's no doubt due to the fact that Barlow had a few years of good songs stored up ready for a comeback
Be interesting to see if he can stay up on the previous level
Be interesting to see if he can stay up on the previous level
okay
Its a very unusual song in that the decending basslines in the tune always change the chord above - they (the basslines) become the inversion of the chord above so that hardly any chord is in its root position - very rare in a rock pop tune which often just sits on a bassline and slowly changes. The changes happen quite quick which again is unusual
The tune itself is quite magnetic.
The harmony vocals over those basslines are absolutely top notch and in some of the chords very unusual and sometimes 'Queenesque' giving them a unique flavour which is very 'ear catching'
Good lead vocal too suppopted by a growing piano and orchestral accompinment
A very rich and harmonicly unique tune which imo elevates Barlow from the 'run of the mill'
Its a great tune for the ear and also a great tune for a musician pianist to play - not a three chord trick by any means
It'll be around for years - a true classic
Barlow is probably responsible for the daft lyrics and the basic underlying piano composition. I might be wrong but normally its the massive team of production artists responsible for the strings, harmonies and the like. Especially in the capturing and honing of them
If this goes on we might just have the first Caf-outing because all this gayness and no gays isn't possible.
what do you mean no gays , brad and mockney are now going out ?
Actually Barlow is involved on the production side and knows about strings harmonies and such
It does change upon the abilities of a writer - generally a writer can go in with
a tune he's knocked up on a guitar piano and have little clue about anything else but in the case of Barlow he is a broader musician than that
Being the vocalist and writer with production experience he does have a large say in the finished article
Sometimes they overdo it imo but all musicians are guilty of that
Oasis are a case in point - once Noel Gall found out about putting strings down nearly every fking tune had them which is why imo they largely went off the boil for a few albums
Strings are meant to enhance a tune not fking bury it!
Shine is a great tune.
I spent the majority of 1993 in love with Mark.
That is all.
I spent the majority of 1993 in love with Mark.
That is all.
And for a band the size of Take That they will 100% be written and arranged by a professional composer you can take that as a given.
A composer will cost you anything from €500 a song and up, and thats just for a quartet.
While he might be involed in harmonising the vocals, there isnt a chance in hell that Gary Barlow is composing or arranging the strings.
indeed, he'll be a 'producer' on the credits .... 80% of the time the producer is not even in the same room as the orchestra
And a lot of the time not even in the same country... a mate of mine is doing his album at the moment and has a composer in New York doing orchestration for 3 tracks for him, he's flying into Dublin for a day in a studio with a quartet at the end of the month to record the strings... €5k.....
No it is not a 'given'. In respect of Barlow there is "every chance in hell".
What you say is often the case for most singer writers but Barlow actually knows about string arranging
I'm involved in this business and although what you say can be the case, in respect of Barlow its not
Generally speaking singer songwriters who have a pianistic background also have a wider broader musical knowledge about arranging music due to the ability of the player and the instrument to play many parts or strands of music
Guitarists are not in the same bracket insofar as arranging / producing music goes, their knowledge is often restricted to the specifics of their instrument and nothing else - not in every single case but about 95%
Barlow plays piano - nearly all his songs are piano written and he has a good knowledge of how the whole thing should sound
Jesus, this thread. All I wanted to say was that Take That deserve a bit of credit for the way they've come back, and that their music isn't half bad. I'm sure there's lots of injustice in the music business same as everywhere else, but that's life.
All this obsession with writing music too - well TT have a writer in Gary, and the others have dabbled, but the inference from some people seems to be that anyone who sings the songs of other people doesn't deserve to be successful, but there are doubtless some brilliant writers who can't sing a note and wouldn't get far without those who are good singers but can't write.
Having a good singing voice should qualify someone for a fair bit of success irrespective of who does all their arrangments.
All this obsession with writing music too - well TT have a writer in Gary, and the others have dabbled, but the inference from some people seems to be that anyone who sings the songs of other people doesn't deserve to be successful, but there are doubtless some brilliant writers who can't sing a note and wouldn't get far without those who are good singers but can't write.
Having a good singing voice should qualify someone for a fair bit of success irrespective of who does all their arrangments.
you have some cheek , coming back in here after starting this.
This is quite possibly the gayest post ever on the forum, and certainly beats most of those from posters professing their love of rimming.
i blame brad and mockey, the trailblazers - this was their Dog Day Afternoon
Well you're obviously a bigger TT fan than I am so I'll trust your judgement...
But I'd still like to see the credits, I dont for a second believe that producers and co writers aren't heavily involved in it
Well I don't come in to WUM and then disappear if that's what you mean.
Incidentally - Oasis, imo, were never as good as the hype. Their music was way too Beatle-influenced with the result that they sounded like John Lennon wannabees.
Just my opinion though!
Well I don't come in to WUM and then disappear if that's what you mean.
of course it's not, i was joking, you innocently ask for some credit where you feel it's due and hell breaks loose ... aided by me it has to be said
Hey, I hit 25k today, if there's any kissing going on it can come this way....
stop puckering moses, I didn't mean you!
stop puckering moses, I didn't mean you!
I know you were joking, Moses.
if we had one that inappropiately dropped the hand after a friendly kiss I'd use that and then feel awful for ages
jaysus pop's this is the nearest I've come to a snog in ages ...back off dude
*gathers clothes and leaves thread*
i've blown a kiss in your direction x
Wrong forum Livvie
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