Take That Circus tour
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I thought I'd seize the initiative
That's what I said!
Surely at some point Williams will go crawling back to Take That? The difficulty is as far as I remember that he badmouthed Barlow quite a lot.
I think he already offered and was turned down.
Didn't RW get rid of Chambers because he wanted to change direction and save money?
if he did, it was a huge mistake !
They were together at the Arsenal v United game.
What line did I go down Weaste? You say your shocked that ' a so called artist such as our Popper goes down that line, because he of all people should know that any artr that is not technically inept can never be "wrong"', sorry but I didn't say anything about it being 'wrong' I said IMO Take Thats music has no artistic merit.... if you want to get a little wasp in your jam because you like them thats up to you, but you wont convince me otherwise, regardless of how many words you try to put in my mouth, nice story though.
precisely
"Take That Robbie u cvnt" - from the Roy Keane historical literary manuscripts
Originally Chambers was working as writer producer for different people when Robbie collared him. Obviously Chambers' time was then spent mostly with Williams but he still wrote for other people when time allowed . Williams and EMI wanted him exclusively and Chambers said you'll have to pay as I'll lose money from other projects and they said 'fck that' ( not 'take that' Mockney!
) He then said 'fck that' too as there was also growing acrimony about exactly what Williams did in the writing process (which was not a lot)
Immediately the quality of all Robbie's stuff went through the floor and for me I cant recall a decent song for maybe five years.
They realised they'd fecked up big time and got Chambers partially back in at the start of 2008 working on stuff in LA but lo and behold who should turn up in LA at the same time with Chambers to also do a bit of co writing??
....Gary fking Barlow
This pissed Willliams off enormously
He exited stage left the next day !!What a pullavar! Anyways EMI have since managed to get Chambers back in for one of the new tunes on this upcoming album but it does look like that relationship could have ruin its course
Williams really does seem like a spoilt brat in all this. He'd struck gold with Chambers but like a lot of 'off their face' pop stars, could'nt do something simple and keep it going
He's sure paid for it since
I'm amazed this thread has reached 9 pages. Had no idea Take That were that popular.
How appropriate.
Band?
Urghhh!
Urghhh!
I never thought Take That could provoke a 9 page thread on here. Not a clue what there is to talk about, especially for this long.
I blame Berbatov
Tevez
Sorry, I saw Berbatov's name appear and I assumed I then had to start talking about Tevez as is the norm
Sorry, I saw Berbatov's name appear and I assumed I then had to start talking about Tevez as is the norm
Nine pages, deary me.
You know who is great is that Led Zeppelin.
You know who is great is that Led Zeppelin.
May as well mention Ronaldo to Real.
A few work mates went to see them in Coventry. Apparently they were fantastic, a real 'show experience' with robotic elephants, clowns and people flinging themselves around in the air.
It was also very wet.
It was also very wet.
Are you talkin' downtown?
Well even without this thread you should have known that.
They just had the fastest sell out tour ever.
Not to mention selling almost 30 million albums.
I actually don't like them, I said that they were ok, so the wasp can eat all of the jam. "wrong" and "no artistic merit" are one and the same thing IMO. You should have simply said that their music was not to your taste, but no, as with most people, you basically called out something you don't like as being worthless in the great scheme of things, and I find it more surprising when an "artist", which you supposedly are, does that. Why? Because it actually means that an artist has no clue about what art actually is.
Anyone mention that they're Jonathon Ross tonight?
That is actually a very salient point
No they're not - they're Take That
Yeah, Take That 101!
(overegging it a bit?)
And may I say Weaste, on behalf of Brad & I, that you have been an excellent addition to this thread...you've carried on my argument effecivley & eloquently without me having to actually be here, and thus sacrifice my testicles...cudos sir!
Thats complete and utter bollocks, and again you're inventing the statement that '"wrong" and "no artistic merit" are one and the same thing' to support your point of view, they're totally different things, worlds apart, I'd be interested to hear you elaborate on how you come to that conclusion, and I've never said what they do is wrong, quite the opposite, I've said if you enjoy then thats fair enough. Maybe 'no' artistic merit is pushing it, maybe I should have said 'minimal', but whatever your opinion of them, their songs will not have any impact, never mind a lasting one, on song writing or music as avenues of artistic expression, songwriting isn't even what they're best regarded for now, like I said people can like them all they want but based on what I've just said they carry minimal if any artistic merit. Also in saying that, I dont see how you draw any link to someones understanding of art, if anything at this point you're the one that seems to be misinterpreting things, at least I've presented an arguement on which I base my statement, you've just made two posts critising me for it without anything concrete to contradict my point, unless your opinion is that popular = having artistic merit which IMO it doesn't.
No its not, its a position based on the assumption that saying an artistic expression is 'wrong' and 'without merit' are one the same thing which is inaccurate, a massive generalisation and total misrepresentation of what I actually said. But hey, its the internet, if people need to invent things to support their position and if their position fits my position lets roll in behind them and say its a 'salient point'.
Popper, what music do you like, and what songs would you class as those having a lasting impact?
You want me to list all the bands or musicians that I listen to Livvie and the songs I think will have lasting impact? We could be here for a while. Plus we'll have to sit though Mockney Brad and Weaste tell us why they dont hold artistic merit....
Lets take pop bands that I actually dont like but will have a lasting impression on what goes after them, Elton John, David Bowie, Simon & Garfunkle, Michael Jackson..... dont listen to any of them but you cant argue with the artistic merits of any of them... Take That, while they may be the best at what they do do not offer any artistic substance.
Compare it to coke cola, no one really argues that its not the most popular drink in the world and the vast majority enjoy it, that doesn't mean it offers anything of substantial nutritional value, regardless of how many of the people that love it tell you otherwise.
Lets take pop bands that I actually dont like but will have a lasting impression on what goes after them, Elton John, David Bowie, Simon & Garfunkle, Michael Jackson..... dont listen to any of them but you cant argue with the artistic merits of any of them... Take That, while they may be the best at what they do do not offer any artistic substance.
Compare it to coke cola, no one really argues that its not the most popular drink in the world and the vast majority enjoy it, that doesn't mean it offers anything of substantial nutritional value, regardless of how many of the people that love it tell you otherwise.
I didn't want you to justify your opinions, Pops. Genuinely interested in who you like.
I personally can't stand Michael Jackson, and I don't have a clue how much of his work is from his own hand so to speak.
I can only go by taste as I have no musical background. I do like Simon and Garfunkle.
I'm off to see an acoustic performance by Bryan Adams next month. How do you view him? Bubble gum rock?
Yeah he's pretty harmless, wouldn't really argue one way or the other with his artistic merits, haven't heard anywhere near enough of him.
I actually listen to a massive variety of music from some modern stuff like the Kings of Leon right back to the likes of Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. Right now I'm listening to a lot of Tom Waits, MGMT, Dawn Landes and some counting crows, I dont have any prerequisites as to what I like, in terms of genre or anything else, not even their artistic merits or otherwise, if I like the tune I like the tune.
Basically if you like it then its all good but it doesn't by default mean its holds and merit in terms of being art.
People like TT, fine but to say they're any sort of artistic force is ridiculous.
I actually listen to a massive variety of music from some modern stuff like the Kings of Leon right back to the likes of Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. Right now I'm listening to a lot of Tom Waits, MGMT, Dawn Landes and some counting crows, I dont have any prerequisites as to what I like, in terms of genre or anything else, not even their artistic merits or otherwise, if I like the tune I like the tune.
Basically if you like it then its all good but it doesn't by default mean its holds and merit in terms of being art.
People like TT, fine but to say they're any sort of artistic force is ridiculous.
Well, the thread wasn't actually to say they were as such - more to point out that there is more to them than people did originally give them credit for, and to acknowledge that coming back the way they have is something of an achievement.
Which is fair enough, the only point I was making was that they have no artistic impact, I guess it turned to that when people started debating Gary Barlows song writing, which while it may be an acceptable standard within the genre and highly marketable, it holds very little weight artistically.
My missus got a free ticket for their show in Croker tonight. I'd say it wouldn't be too bad.
Let us know how it went.
I certainly didn't say that they were an artistic force, I simply called you out on your "no artistic merit" comment, which is clearly total rubbish.
You keep saying this without anything to back it up. It's blarb. I'll give you that none of Barlow's or Take That's "works" would ever be considered as a "masterpiece" nor "genre defining" nor greatly influential, however they are in the main technically ept, and have culturally at least had quite a large impact on many people's lives. In that respect, they are artistically valid - If they were not, you wouldn't even be in this thread because there would be no thread in the first place.
She said it was brilliant. Then again, she is a girl! Seriously though, apparently most seemed to enjoy it. She said the Script were class also.
My brother was working at it though and seen some of it and didn't think much of it.