Take That Circus tour

Eyepopper said:
I said they're both top class songwriters Weaste which they are in my book, the songs are excellently constructed in terms of music and melody and both do what they do with their own style.... as for thinking not they're very good, well thats subjective and has a lot to do with generations in a lot of cases, you being a lot older than me, point to Queen who don't appeal to me in the slightest.

I've listened lots of flamenco, obviously its technically good stuff but it does nothing for me most of the time. But I listen to a massive variety of different styles so to say that I'm just drawn to acoustic guitar isn't accurate.

Its all about tastes at the end of the day, I like my music to have a bit of feeling, style and to be interesting... Take That for me are the musical equivalent of porridge, boring, the same each time and pretty tasteless.
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Interesting choice of tunes. The first a very idiosyncratic acoustic singer with a really nice falsetto on him. Lyrics I could'nt easily make out though even with Later's brilliantly engineered sound. Rough and ready but it sounded good - I like that kind of sound

The 2nd is fascinating and again a nice overall sound. However musically it's a short ac guitar riff played unendingly for 4 and a half minutes over which some lovely growing vocals, synths and strings are added.

Harmonically it adds nothing - only the bassline changes at the end. Again only personally speaking but after one minute that tune is extremely uneventful. In fact it only serves the video as the Spanish dancers use it to nice effect. I'd argue that without the imagery of the video that song would be turned off after a minute by most people, certainly would not get any repeat hearing only IMO

Again only personal but you're calling Take That "boring, porridge, tasteless and the same "

If this 'Boy with a Coin' example you've put up is what they are all about then I'll give them a miss mate, in that tune they've hardly put two chords together and repeat the same riff forever but you would say they're not "boring porridge or the same " just because they've layered a few other sounds, which I would still say does sound rather nice but as you've pointed out before that's probably down to the production team

Music is different to all people and this proves it in a big way

( Actually I will listen to more "Boy" as I 'd be interested to see if they can be versatile I cant believe they're the type of band that will knock up a whole album of that stuff - I'd hope not )
 
Iron & Wine is all written and produced by Sam Beam (the singer), I've seen them.. That particular track is obviously written using a loop station but I think coupling of the melody the lyrics and the feel dont make it boring at all...

They're an absolutely brilliant band...

try this one



I think the thing is its all about the music and not about everything else covering up a distinctly bland and average song.
 
Livvie said:
What's excellence?
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The trouble here is that you have two views on this, as any art, the technical and the expression. The first cannot be disputed, the second may or may not be to your particular taste, but whatever that is, it's useless without the first.

Livvie said:
We'd probably call the classical composers excellent
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The majority of them were not.
 
Livvie said:
Described by a journalist who is an avid Oasis fan as the greatest gig he has ever seen.

The music might not be to your own taste, but no one with an iota of common sense can deny that TT are a bloody good band.
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Is it your fecker off the guardian? If so hes the least credible music journalist ive ever read. He used to be an editor for the nme aswell (which is crime enough). So if its the same guy, id take anything he says with a pinch of salt. Hes likely to turn round and slate them next week.

Eyepopper said:
Iron & Wine is all written and produced by Sam Beam (the singer), I've seen them.. That particular track is obviously written using a loop station but I think coupling of the melody the lyrics and the feel dont make it boring at all...

They're an absolutely brilliant band...

try this one



I think the thing is its all about the music and not about everything else covering up a distinctly bland and average song.
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Iron and Wine are fantastic.
This thread is far too long to read, im guessing its people arguing the merits or credibility of take that?

Personally i think they're shite. But then thats my opinion, and im not a middle aged or teenage girl.
 
Livvie said:
If we're knocking imitation, well Oasis are definitely (pale) imitations of The Beatles.
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Some of their stuff is derivative for sure. In retrospect they are nowhere near as good as they seemed at the time of their peak.
 
El B said:
Is it your fecker off the guardian? If so hes the least credible music journalist ive ever read.
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Gordon Smart, editor of Bizarre in The Sun.
 
Livvie :eek: The Sun? If I'd known that I'd never even have come into this thread!
 
I'll let you away with it then, just..... but I'll be watching you!
 
esmufc09 said:
Take That are rubbish, and have a loyal following of teenage idiots.

And Brad.
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Amazing. Seven pages of reasonably constructive and intelligent debate, and then this.
 
Sorry Livvie, I'll delete it if you wish.

Just not my type of band, that's all. And whatever I put would have already been debated anyway.
 
esmufc09 said:
Sorry Livvie, I'll delete it if you wish.

Just not my type of band, that's all. And whatever I put would have already been debated anyway.
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Sorry, Elvis - I just get a tad pissed off with people who declare something to be rubbish just because they don't like it.

And whilst I'm no music expert, in my humble, any artiste who can hold a note and entertain, isn't rubbish.
 
Livvie said:
Sorry, Elvis - I just get a tad pissed off with people who declare something to be rubbish just because they don't like it.

And whilst I'm no music expert, in my humble, any artiste who can hold a note and entertain, isn't rubbish.
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Don't apologise Livs, 'tis my fault. I'll back up my point next time.

It's not that they're rubbish, they're just not for me.

Jopub said:
Fair enough what sort of stuff d'you like then ?
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I like a lot of stuff from a lot of different era's. The one genre I can't stand though is rap.

Bands I like include Radiohead, The Doors, Oasis, Joy Divison, The Smiths, Clash, Guns 'N' Roses, Bloc Party, Lost Shadow Puppets and a whole lot more.

EricaNo7 said:
anything by jack bauer
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Kiefer Sutherland actually owns his own music label:p
 
Eyepopper here reminds me of a thread conversation I had a few days ago on a different forum, where some no mark 3D artist that works on advertisements called out the artistic direction of the new Ueda game (maybe known to many as TRICO or The Last Guardian). What he had the audacity to say was that the art direction was "wrong", yes, "wrong". What surprised me about this is that unless it is inept on the technical level, art can never be called "wrong" as it's not possible to be wrong on the subjective level. Maybe not to everyone's taste, fair enough, but "wrong"? Maybe this is why the said person is a no mark 3D artist and not one of the most revered game designers that ever lived.

Too many people have their heads stuck up their arses when it comes to audio/visual art, and most of them know feck all about it, but it's quite shocking when a so called artist such as our Popper goes down that line, because he of all people should know that any artr that is not technically inept can never be "wrong".
 
I can't abide jazz. Usually sounds like someone peeing on tin to me, but I wouldn't say it was rubbish. Same with opera - can't abide it.
 
Brad said:
Yeh he flopped in that he lost his record deal, but he still had a solo number 1 single and album, other artists have built an entire career on less!
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Yes, but why did he flop? It makes no sense. I think that with "The Circus" he let the others have a bit of a go at writing and let them sing more. However listen to "The Garden", Christ, some of the vocals (that are not Barlow) on that are cringe worthy.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about the music is it? It can't be, if it was, he would have been as successful as Take That on his own, but he wasn't. Then you look at the basically talentless Williams who at the time got the highest monetary music contract in history, until people got fed up of the cnut. I just think that Barlow never had the "IT" factor, too nice and normal a bloke.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Yes, but why did he flop? It makes no sense. I think that with "The Circus" he let the others have a bit of a go at writing and let them sing more. However listen to "The Garden", Christ, some of the vocals (that are not Barlow) on that are cringe worthy.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about the music is it? It can't be, if it was, he would have been as successful as Take That on his own, but he wasn't. Then you look at the basically talentless Williams who at the time got the highest monetary music contract in history, until people got fed up of the cnut. I just think that Barlow never had the "IT" factor, too nice and normal a bloke.
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He just didn't write as good stuff for himself as he did for his band. Open Road was a decent track, and it sold. The other couple he released, well I don't know not sure I ever heard em! Even the best and most talented artists go through periods of little success

But you're right, of course image and all that is important. But it can only get you so far. Note that the 'basically talentless' Robbie Williams' career has nose dived since his songs dried up, and he has all the marketing and showmanship shit you can wish for
 
MockneyRevil said:
Alright Brad?...You realize that your still in this thread?
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You realize you two have probably dedicated 90% of your waking lives this week posting about Big Brother and Take That on an internet forum?

I'm sure you're both completely heterosexual though.
 
:lol: never mind I thought I was exaggerating with the 90% thing, but I've just seen the top posters for this week.

I hereby retract my heterosexual comment
 
Brad said:
But you're right, of course image and all that is important. But it can only get you so far. Note that the 'basically talentless' Robbie Williams' career has nose dived since his songs dried up, and he has all the marketing and showmanship shit you can wish for
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Angels gave that bloke respect, and he never wrote it.

It's possible that through commercial pressure, Barlow released his solo albums far too soon.
 
Has anyone taken the opportunity to say 'Take That!' as a valedictory closer in an argument yet?...If not it's a glorious chance missed
 
Brad said:
He just didn't write as good stuff for himself as he did for his band. Open Road was a decent track, and it sold. The other couple he released, well I don't know not sure I ever heard em! Even the best and most talented artists go through periods of little success

But you're right, of course image and all that is important. But it can only get you so far. Note that the 'basically talentless' Robbie Williams' career has nose dived since his songs dried up, and he has all the marketing and showmanship shit you can wish for
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Point being of course that in a band situation even though there may be one writer his mates can at least have a bit of honesty and say "Actually Gal that song is shite". That's always been the good thing about a band there is a self imposed 'quallity control' that is absent the moment a front man goes it alone - as Barlow did

As for Robbie the moment Guy Chambers (who's as good a writer as Barlow imo) got the ache of him his career has been finished - the songs have been absolute bollocks. He'll ( the record company!) eventually get Chambers back on board now they've realised what actually sells - that if the songs are not strong it doe'snt matter who sings them - Robbie or whoever
 
Jopub said:
As for Robbie the moment Guy Chambers (who's as good a writer as Barlow imo) got the ache of him his career has been finished - the songs have been absolute bollocks. He'll ( the record company!) eventually get Chambers back on board now they've realised what actually sells - that if the songs are not strong it doe'snt matter who sings them - Robbie or whoever
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Yeah!, Take That!
 
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