I doubt we'll start with all four of our available attackers. Even if Mourinho wanted to, I think he'll keep one of them (either Rashford or Mata) in reserve to be able to change things.
Chong may still make the bench though.
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Chong may still make the bench though.
80 minutes......and the game is deadlocked..... when the fans chant...
Let meeee seeeee that Chooooooooong.......baby! That Chong, Chong, Chong, Chong, Chong!
Let meeee seeeee that Chooooooooong.......baby! That Chong, Chong, Chong, Chong, Chong!
Pick it, pack it, fire it up, come aloooong, another hit from the Choooong
Massive for him, imagine he makes his debut against Juve.
This is the Chong,
This is the Chong,
Ohhh this is the Chong,
This the Chong we've waited for.
This is the Chong,
Ohhh this is the Chong,
This the Chong we've waited for.
Really happy for Tahith and his family! Hope he gets a few minutes (only going to happen if we're 4-0 up or something)
Well done to Chong for getting a first team call up. No doubt that he's a bit dissapointed to not get some minutes but this is a excellent step for him. He is obviously in thoughts of the first team management and that can only be a good thing. I hope that he gets a chance to play this season.
I'm not 100% certain that he's ready but I'm hoping that he is able to step up. He is a really talented player and with the proper investment/management, he can become a good player for us.
I'm not 100% certain that he's ready but I'm hoping that he is able to step up. He is a really talented player and with the proper investment/management, he can become a good player for us.
We had nothing to lose. Why not even a modicum of curiosity to see what the boy could do?
No doubt he is aware of Tahith's ability and potential which is why he selected him.
He had enough senior players for the 7 subs, just no attacking options. He chose Tahith Chong.
Are those legit quotes? You shouldn't put somebody in the squad unless you have an intention of giving them a chance if the opportunity arises. Must be music to Chong's ears that, knowing his manager doesn't believe in him.
Absolutely not the right attitude for a Utd manager. Jose Mourinho never will understand or represent the values of this club, the most painful thing is the lack of fans who seem to realise this!
The opportunity didn't arise, that is the whole point.
How so? He made no subs and we were losing 1-0 at home.
Chasing a game in a high pressure situation against a very strong Juventus side isn't an opportunity for a twig thin weak 18 year old to make his debut. Its hardly an outlandish stance.
That's right. The home match vs Young Boys is the one for him as you'll almost certainly be a few goals up after 70 or so minutes and no harm can come of him getting minutes.
I can't see the harm giving him 10-15 minutes might have done. He'd have been so fired up on adrenaline what happened on the pitch wouldn't have mattered. It depends on the individual i guess, but 18 year old me would be thinking "my time to become a hero" (yes i suffer(ed) from illusions of granduer), whereas other 18 year olds might be shitting bricks.
If he had no intention of playing him then why is he in the squad?! Hell Mata is the weakest and potentially slowest player we have by far in our squad and he played the whole game! It doesn't hurt to give a young lad even ten minutes of first team football at the end of a match in which we are sorely in need of some sort of inspiration.
He won't be on the bench. Injured players will be back most likely.
He would probably have been schooled and it maybe would have set back his confidence.
The guy who was hooked for him would also be set back by this.
I can. Their might be no harm to Chong but definitely to a team that loses 0-4 and has to face the same opposition away next week. The chances of him actually making a positive contribution would not have outweighed this risk.
Maybe so but it would be a good opportunity for him if it can be arranged.
Why would we have lost 4-0?
You are overly optimistic. We'll be 1-0 up at best.
You think he was planning to be 1 down and chasing the game? Would you rather he did a Pep and just had 6 players on the bench?
It does hurt because it does Chong no good to be given that pressure and he'd have likely barely touched the ball and been bullied. It'd have done the team no good either because when the chips are down Martial, Rashford, Mata etc. have the experience of getting late important goals.
There is pretty much no manager who thinks massive Champions League game down 1 to a team better than us, feck it lets throw in the 18 year old twig and give him the pressure of getting a goal back. Fantastic management that would be.
The point is, that the chances of us losing by a bigger margin was greater than the chance of Chong coming on and affecting the game positively.
A good manager has to assess those odds and make the best decision for the team.
You'll hammer them.
Well it sounds like he was expecting to lose yes, going off of his comments about accepting 2nd In the group. As a manager it's their job to manage their expectations of players. It's not just one player's responsibility to get a goal back, that responsibility comes as a team. Jose wouldn't fecking say to him, "right, it's all upto you kid, you need to get us a goal" unless they had the mentality to deal with that and managers know how to stimulate/manage their players. There's senior players on the pitch to help younger players adjust too. Subbing him on for ten/fifteen minutes wasn't going to destroy his career.
It also wasn't going to help his career or the team. Hence, no fecking point.
Chasing a game and you think we should waste the last 15 minutes trying to help a young player adjust?
He wouldn't have had to sub him on alone, if he felt that would've alleviated pressure. How can you know it's not going to help the team if you don't give them the opportunity? I don't agree with the notion of "getting bullied" as an excuse for not giving young players that train with the first team week in, week out a single 15 minutes of football. If you're not ready for the level, you shouldn't be in the squad.
I personally don't think Mourinho instils belief in any of our players, hence why we look stale and flat constantly. We lack energy. We certainly aren't ready to challenge for the title at all, but we should be nowhere as bad as we are playing.
Because he has the intention of playing him when he’s ready in the future? This gives the player a real taste of what it’s like to be in the match day squad. And if, for whatever reason we were comfortable in the same, he would have got the opportunity. This shouldn’t be alien to someone who has regularly watched football in the last 20 years.
Giving a blue chip prospect a place on the bench or even a place in the match day squad can never hurt even if they don't get on the pitch.
This is the sort of season where United can really do plenty for the development of Chong, Gomes, Greenwood and others if they are bold enough to do so.
This is the sort of season where United can really do plenty for the development of Chong, Gomes, Greenwood and others if they are bold enough to do so.
Played for my under 20s of my nationalteam before fecking up my knee and I can say you that a young player dreams of getting onto a pitch. Playing in a CL is a dream. A team os already a goal down, you are not a defender or a keeper, it is not that stressful. It is one hell of a feeling.
I watched Chong closely in the pre season tour. He has great endeavour/workrate and looks like he has a great attitude and good technical ability. He is also pretty weak and was eased off the ball multiple times. If he can get a bit stronger and continue his development he can be a good option for us in the coming years, lets hope he can do it because it won't be from a lack of effort on his part.
I understand what you're saying physically, but what happens with the players that just aren't built to be physical? (not saying that'll be the case with Chong) You combat that technically, shielding/protecting the ball etc, and that comes through practice and experience of playing.
If he's confident enough to select him in the bench, then he should have been confident enough to bring him in with no other option. It's not like we were defending a point.
The idea that he felt there's nothing Ching could have done is what I have a problem with.
Absolutely right. Bringing him on was a free hit and even if it didn't work out nothing was lost. Easier to bring him on where there's not expectation than coming on against say Huddersfield....
The selection of Chong was a positive, don't try to make it into a negative thing. If there was forced change them maybe he would have gotten a chance, but the manager trusted his first XI to do the job. Why is it so hard to understand that he thought there was a better chance of getting something from the game with the players who were on the pitch?
Based completely on hindsight. In the moment there was loads to lose. Martial and Rashford are easily better atm and have both come up big for us in the past. You can't say there is nothing to lose when in the moment for all we knew Martial could have popped up with another late goal. Then you'd have the same people crying why Martial or whoever was taken off for a kid with zero experience when we desperately needed a goal.
If he's on the bench then he should be able to come on in the most pressurized situation possible is terrible logic as well.
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