Tactical Draft

Joga Bonito said:
@Oaencha

No worries, it being your first draft. None of us understood anything when we started.

In this block round, you simply have to nominate a player who'd enter the block list and would be unavailable to be picked by anyone. So you have to nominate a player, who would then enter the blocked lists, as Bale, Drogba etc have been nominated by the other managers and as a result been blocked. It can be anyone. A player that you don't like, or a great player that you are not probably going to pick and don't want others to do so too.

It isn't your turn to make your first pick yet though, that will happen after the block round is complete (when you submit the block as you are the last team yet to submit a player to be blocked).

You'd make your first pick 8th after EAP, harms, Tuppet, onenil and so on.

So all you have to do is submit a player to be blocked now, and also delete that player nomination as that is the player that you'd like to pick and not be blocked.
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Ah... that makes more sense. Fortunately I have two other players (along with Mazhar's preferences) who I'm happy to start with. Tardelli can be left out. I'll stick Dunga on the block list then.
 
1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler
16. EAP 1. Keizer

@Edgar Allan Pillow your turn. Sticking with ze German or you have something else in mind :D
 
1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler
16. EAP 1. Keizer


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Scotch?
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:(

Sadly no. I'm on a weight loss diet, so almost no alcohol at home....except for.....Just don't laugh :(:(:(

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1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler
16. EAP 1. Keizer 2. T.Muller


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney

@harms @Joga Bonito
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Wankers.

That's the missus favourite so permitted at home. I'm supposed to not drink except on Sunday's. She's not really happy, I'm moving into her stash.

For a "dry" week, any alcohol is heavenly.
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There's always one bottle of Scotch and one bottle of Żubrówka at my place as a deep reserve. But the missus causes no problems, even she's moving into my stash from time to time.




oneniltothearsenal said:
You inspired to play google.

I found out @Edgar Allan Pillow could have had THREE and HALF ounces of fine Scotch for the same calorie price as that bottle :cool:

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I can make a special diet for Edgar, then :cool: For starters I'll move the drinking day to Saturday.
 
Sorry lads. I can't get involved in this draft anymore. I'm getting busier at work and will need to back out.

@Oaencha You can continue on in my place, or you can see if there's a veteran around who can help you out.
 
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Stuart Peace said:
I got in the England squad and it was almost like hero worship with this fella. He carried England in the ’80s in my opinion. He could run further than anyone, he was the best player, he was all-action. The one commodity he had – he was unselfish. He put the rest of the group before himself – that’s the sign of a great player
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Gary Neville said:
Robson was my idol. He epitomised everything I thought a United player should be. He flogged himself to the end of every game and gave blood, sweat and tears. He was a true leader. When he burst into the box, it was like his life depended on it. You could see it in his face and his running style. Everything was a fight and a battle
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Paul Gascoigne said:
My favourite player of all time. He was the ultimate midfielder. He got everywhere, scored goals and was a leader. He didn’t give you a second on the ball. If you got it, you knew Bryan would get stuck in to you
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1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler 2. B. Robson
16. EAP 1. Keizer 2. T.Muller


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney
 
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1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa 2. B. Schweinsteiger
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler 2. B. Robson
16. EAP 1. Keizer 2. T.Muller


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney

@oneniltothearsenal @Anders Emil Våge
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I was so close to blocking him, then picking him. Had a big debate with myself before moving on. Good pick.
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Yeah, it's time for him to shine properly in one of those drafts. One of the definite standouts in the pool. Thanks for leaving him to us!
Keano with goals Gerrard with brains.
 
Gio said:
Harsh.
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A bit. I'm not entirely serious though, as you can guess. The comparison stands though, at least in my eyes, he is everything Gerrard aspired to be, but better - a leader, a goalscorer, a selfless engine and a tackling (over the top sometimes) machine in midfield, with a slightly better technique and reading of the game.
 
Theon said:
On Gerrard or Robson?

I think it's pretty accurate, more so than Keane with goals.
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On Gerrard. Never really rated his tactical acumen but at times he's made out to be a tactical liability who's far too selfish, which isn't fair imo. I recall Gio having him in a side with Messi and it didn't go down too well.
 
Joga Bonito said:
On Gerrard. Never really rated his tactical acumen but at times he's made out to be a tactical liability who's far too selfish, which isn't fair imo. I recall Gio having him in a side with Messi and it didn't go down too well.
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Yeah, Gerrard's tactical naiveness and Terry's inability to play without a holding midfielder ahead of him are blown out of proportion on here. One of the caf's myths, alongside Vidic struggling with fast forwards etc. Not to say that those accusation are completely baseless though
 
Gerrard had decent tactical awareness, it's just that when he had to play in a disciplined role it took away some of his greatest attributes, so he wasn't anywhere near the same player.
 
Joga Bonito said:
On Gerrard. Never really rated his tactical acumen but at times he's made out to be a tactical liability who's far too selfish, which isn't fair imo. I recall Gio having him in a side with Messi and it didn't go down too well.
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That's never been my view of Gerrard so you're preaching to the choir there. He's certainly not a selfish player.

It's still an accurate description though, his positional awareness never developed as it should have (which is not fully his fault).
 
Joga Bonito said:
On Gerrard. Never really rated his tactical acumen but at times he's made out to be a tactical liability who's far too selfish, which isn't fair imo. I recall Gio having him in a side with Messi and it didn't go down too well.
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Gerrard is very tricky tbf, there was a "short" period where he really was what Liverpool fans think of him - one of the best midfielders in the world, maybe at one point even the best. The problem is, there is also a huge period where he was a selfish liability as you said but the hype was the same as it was when he was fantastic.
He was a victim of bad club management which resulted him having a God status. It was inevitable that he would start playing out of his capabilities. He was a WC b2b player which turned into a one man midfield no matter who he had next to himself(Xabi, Scholes, Lampard etc.) and it was harming the team. He would still look great but the team would suffer, in a way Fellaini sometimes reminds me of him(of course on a much lower level). He can look good if you isolate his performance but with him in the team you cant play any sort of football on a high level.
Chelsea game sums up Stevie perfectly, not because of the slip but the way he played after, instead of doing whats best for the team he was trying for 90 minutes to rectify his mistake by going for glory, forcing shoots, passes, runs etc.
 
Joga Bonito said:
On Gerrard. Never really rated his tactical acumen but at times he's made out to be a tactical liability who's far too selfish, which isn't fair imo. I recall Gio having him in a side with Messi and it didn't go down too well.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/surveillance-draft-r1-onenil-vs-gio.424310/

To be fair by Gio standards, I just didn't like the tactical cohesiveness of that unit.. imo you can't play Prosinecki and Gerrard as a midfield unit, even if Claude is there.

If Gerrard had been from another country, he'd have been utilised in a specific position earlier on in his career and thrived.. whereas by growing up in English football, he lacked the managerial support around him to give him a fixed position (as an am) and let him get on with it.

In 2008/09 he was brilliant and up there with any british midfielder.

harms said:
Yeah, Gerrard's tactical naiveness and Terry's inability to play without a holding midfielder ahead of him are blown out of proportion on here. One of the caf's myths, alongside Vidic struggling with fast forwards etc. Not to say that those accusation are completely baseless though
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Terry post injury clearly struggled with high line, but its hard to definitively state that peak Terry would definitely need a DM to thrive or a deep set defence. I guess we don't want to leave it to the imagination and in general the Caf just cannot be trusted when it comes to giving an unbiased judgement on Terry.

Carragher rates him as the best English defender of the Premier League Era, and he had great results in the CL too and was decent internationally but gets zero credit on this forum.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Does the caf believe Scholes-Robson would have been better than Scholes-Keane?
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Nope. I think we would have been easier on the eye but more open as a unit.

Robson was a better technician than Keane, but he also liked to control a game more than Keane in a more expansive way and would have treaded on Scholes toes a little more.. was slightly more gung-ho in terms of positioning, so defensively balance would be suspect.

I think with Keane you can play him with a ball playing CM, but with Robson either pair him up with a CDM or a fellow B2B to get best out of him.

If I wanted to dominate a top midfield in Europe, I'd go with Keane-Robson as a pair (instead of Keane-Butt which is what Fergie used to favour).
 
Im just sad that we didnt see both Keane and Scholes at their peak together :(
 
We select:

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1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini 2. H. Crespo
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa 2. B. Schweinsteiger
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler 2. B. Robson
16. EAP 1. Keizer 2. T.Muller


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney
 
harms said:
A bit. I'm not entirely serious though, as you can guess. The comparison stands though, at least in my eyes, he is everything Gerrard aspired to be, but better - a leader, a goalscorer, a selfless engine and a tackling (over the top sometimes) machine in midfield, with a slightly better technique and reading of the game.
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I'm not sure - it's obviously the Caf so Gerrard generally gets a hard time, but I have them on par. Specifically I don't think Robson trumped Gerrard in most of those attacking midfield attributes. As good a box-to-box goalscorer as Robbo was, Gerrard was even better in his finishing and technically slicker as well IMO. But yeah I'd agree that Robson's all-round game was more balanced and he was more astute at exercising defensive control of a midfield. Fine margins all in all.

Raees said:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/surveillance-draft-r1-onenil-vs-gio.424310/

To be fair by Gio standards, I just didn't like the tactical cohesiveness of that unit.. imo you can't play Prosinecki and Gerrard as a midfield unit, even if Claude is there.
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I'm not sure about that, unless you're referring to older Prosinecki who basically became a cameo luxury player in the second half of his career. At Red Star he played as a proper CM next to Jugovic in a 4-4-1-1 behind Savicevic and Pancev. There was quite a lot of maverickness in that midfield I'll give you that, and there was a fair (if overblown) point questioning the gel between Messi and Gerrard.
Šjor Bepo said:
Gerrard is very tricky tbf, there was a "short" period where he really was what Liverpool fans think of him - one of the best midfielders in the world, maybe at one point even the best. The problem is, there is also a huge period where he was a selfish liability as you said but the hype was the same as it was when he was fantastic.
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I'm not really sure about that. His peak was pretty extended - from around 2004-2010. Few midfielders top that and I'm not really sure when, in that time, he was a selfish liability. The Chelsea slip game was a long time past his peak and it's unfair to use that as an assessment of his abilities - it would be a bit like me under-rating Keane because when he came up to Celtic he got ran ragged by a lowly Clyde outfit.
 
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