Tactical Draft

I'm not sure about that, unless you're referring to older Prosinecki who basically became a cameo luxury player in the second half of his career. At Red Star he played as a proper CM next to Jugovic in a 4-4-1-1 behind Savicevic and Pancev. There was quite a lot of maverickness in that midfield I'll give you that, and there was a fair (if overblown) point questioning the gel between Messi and Gerrard.

Yup to be fair, I don't know enough about the younger version to make a proper conclusion on that argument and had assumed he was always quite a showman in nature and therefore didn't see how he'd complement a Gerrard. It wasn't the only part of the side which didn't sit right with me but yeah it was a risky side put forward by you.
 
I am taking Ruud.

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1. Raees/Invictus 1. Van Hanegem
2. Prath 1. Lewandowski
3. Arbitrium 1. De Gea
4. RedTiger 1. Ballack
5. Moby/Gio 1. Luis Enrique
6. Pat 1. Marcelo
7. Skizzo 1. Bale
8. P-nut/Enigma 1. Busquets
9. Mazhar/Oaencha 1. Dunga
10. 2mufc0 1. D.Silva
11. Viper 1. Overath
12. Boris 1. Drogba 2. R. van Nistelrooy
13. Onenil/Anders 1. Bochini 2. H. Crespo
14. Tuppet 1. Rui Costa 2. B. Schweinsteiger
15. Harms/Joga 1. Fowler 2. B. Robson
16. EAP 1. Keizer 2. T.Muller


Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Koeman, Dempsey, Amoros, Bossis, McGrath, Zambrotta, S. Campbell, Kewell, Benarrivo, Ashley Cole, Vidic, Deyna, Lampard, Tevez, Nakata, Ribery, Giggs, O'Shea, Prosinecki, Zola, Kanu, Valderrama, Rocha, Edmundo, Zyryanov, Vidal, Gerrard, Lineker, Butragueno, Vieri, Owen, Rooney

@The Red Viper
 
1. EAP 1. T. Muller
2. Harms/Joga 1. B. Robson
3. Tuppet 1. B. Schweinsteiger
4. Onenil/Anders 1. H. Crespo
5. Boris 1. R. van Nistelrooy
6. Viper 1.
7. 2mufc0 1.
8. Mazhar/Oaencha 1.
9. P-nut/Enigma 1.
10. Skizzo 1.
11. Pat 1.
12. Moby/Gio 1.
13. RedTiger 1.
14. Arbitrium 1.
15. Prath 1.
16. Raees/Invictus 1.

Block list:

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Amoros, Ashley Cole, Benarrivo, Bossis, Butragueno, Campbell, Dempsey, Deyna, Edmundo, Gerrard, Giggs, Kanu, Kewell, Koeman, Lampard, Lineker, McGrath, Nakata, O'Shea, Owen, Prosinecki, Ribery, Rocha, Rooney, Tevez, Valderrama, Vidal, Vidic, Vieri, Zambrotta, Zola, Zyryanov
 
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So, the quality of the team doesn't matter AT ALL?

Or its also important along with the "main player" being used correctly and in a system which takes the best out of him?
 
So, the quality of the team doesn't matter AT ALL?

Or its also important along with the "main player" being used correctly and in a system which takes the best out of him?

As far as I can tell the quality of your player choices does matter, but it's secondary to using your main player correctly. IMO there'll be a significant overlap between the two criteria anyway. You don't maximise too many players' qualities by surrounding them with utter shite.
 
So, the quality of the team doesn't matter AT ALL?

Or its also important along with the "main player" being used correctly and in a system which takes the best out of him?

it doesnt matter if you are the only one that builds a perfect team. When the teams are very close on a tactical level the quality of picked players will decide.
 
The Chelsea slip game was a long time past his peak and it's unfair to use that as an assessment of his abilities - it would be a bit like me under-rating Keane because when he came up to Celtic he got ran ragged by a lowly Clyde outfit.

Either i expressed myself badly or you misunderstood my post, that game isnt important as such but it did summed up mentality of a player perfectly.
 
What's the context for the quality? In isolation? I'm assuming the match dynamics will be different then - think this was the point @Chesterlestreet was making. Your Zidane up against my Bramble doesn't matter because we're not recreating an actual match, just two teams in isolation.
 
What's the context for the quality? In isolation? I'm assuming the match dynamics will be different then - think this was the point @Chesterlestreet was making. Your Zidane up against my Bramble doesn't matter because we're not recreating an actual match, just two teams in isolation.

It will be a good old classic comparison of two teams, rather then debating who has the upper hand, does your right winger suit his left back etc. you will just compare the two teams in a non game environment, something that is happening since beginning of football and other team sports.
If it does come to the quality you will compare only picked players, who assembled the team with a better group of players. How you want to do that is genuinely up to you guys...
 
Either i expressed myself badly or you misunderstood my post, that game isnt important as such but it did summed up mentality of a player perfectly.

Yeah but you could cite the argument that Istanbul and FA Cup Final sum him up too.. if those performances were done by a United player, he'd be ranked alongside Best/Charlton.
 
Yeah but you could cite the argument that Istanbul and FA Cup Final sum him up too.. if those performances were done by a United player, he'd be ranked alongside Best/Charlton.

check my first post on that matter and you will see that i didnt dismiss his achievements at his peak. This post you quoted was a response that is connected with Gerrard post peak version even though the hype was like when he was at his peak.
 
1. EAP 1. T. Muller
2. Harms/Joga 1. B. Robson
3. Tuppet 1. B. Schweinsteiger
4. Onenil/Anders 1. H. Crespo
5. Boris 1. R. van Nistelrooy
6. Viper 1. B. Conti
7. 2mufc0 1.
8. Mazhar/Oaencha 1.
9. P-nut/Enigma 1.
10. Skizzo 1.
11. Pat 1.
12. Moby/Gio 1.
13. RedTiger 1.
14. Arbitrium 1.
15. Prath 1.
16. Raees/Invictus 1.

Block list:-

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Amoros, Ashley Cole, Benarrivo, Bossis, Butragueno, Campbell, Dempsey, Deyna, Edmundo, Gerrard, Giggs, Kanu, Kewell, Koeman, Lampard, Lineker, McGrath, Nakata, O'Shea, Owen, Prosinecki, Ribery, Rocha, Rooney, Tevez, Valderrama, Vidal, Vidic, Vieri, Zambrotta, Zola, Zyryanov

@2mufc0 , You're up bro!
 
That's never been my view of Gerrard so you're preaching to the choir there. He's certainly not a selfish player.

It's still an accurate description though, his positional awareness never developed as it should have (which is not fully his fault).

Agreed

To be fair by Gio standards, I just didn't like the tactical cohesiveness of that unit.. imo you can't play Prosinecki and Gerrard as a midfield unit, even if Claude is there.

Didn't really see the issue with it myself and felt Gerrard's dynamism would have complemented Prosinecki's playmaking ability pretty nicely.
 
It will be a good old classic comparison of two teams, rather then debating who has the upper hand, does your right winger suit his left back etc. you will just compare the two teams in a non game environment, something that is happening since beginning of football and other team sports.
If it does come to the quality you will compare only picked players, who assembled the team with a better group of players. How you want to do that is genuinely up to you guys...
Cheers, makes sense.
 
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1. EAP 1. T. Muller
2. Harms/Joga 1. B. Robson
3. Tuppet 1. B. Schweinsteiger
4. Onenil/Anders 1. H. Crespo
5. Boris 1. R. van Nistelrooy
6. Viper 1. B. Conti
7. 2mufc0 1. Z. Ibrahimović
8. Mazhar/Oaencha 1.
9. P-nut/Enigma 1.
10. Skizzo 1.
11. Pat 1.
12. Moby/Gio 1.
13. RedTiger 1.
14. Arbitrium 1.
15. Prath 1.
16. Raees/Invictus 1.

Block list:-

GK: Banks, Buffon, Casillas, Chilavert, Dasayev, De Gea, Fillol, Gilmar, Kahn, Maier, Neuer, Schmeichel, Shilton, van der Sar, Viktor, Yashin, Zoff,

DEF: Baresi, Beckenbauer, Bergomi, Brehme, Cafu, Cannavaro, Carlos Alberto, Charles, Desailly, Djalma Santos, Facchetti, Ferdinand, Figueroa, Hierro, Kohler, Krol, Lahm, Maldini, Marcelo, Marzolini, Moore, Nesta, Nilton Santos, Passarella, Roberto Carlos, Schnellinger, Scirea, Stam, Terry, Thuram, Vogts, Zanetti,

MID: Amancio, B. Laudrup, Ballack, Beckham, Boban, Bochini, Boniek, Breitner, Charlton, Cruyff, Cubillas, David Silva, Davids, Deco, Deschamps, Didi, Dunga, Dzajic, Edwards, Effenberg, Falcao, Figo, Finney, Francescoli, Garrincha, Gascoigne, Gento, Gerson, Giresse, Gullit, Hagi, Iniesta, Jairzinho, Johnstone, Kaka, Keane, Keizer, Kopa, Litmanen, Luis Enrique, M. Laudrup, Makelele, Maradona, Masopust, Matthaus, Matthews, Modric, Nedved, Neeskens, Netzer, Overath, Overmars, Pirlo, Platini, Redondo, Rensenbrink, Rijkaard, Riquelme, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Rivera, Robben, Ronaldinho, Rui Costa, S. Mazzola, Sammer, Savicevic, Scholes, Schuster, Seedorf, Sergio Busquets, Simonsen, Socrates, Souness, Stojkovic, Suarez, Tigana, Van Hanegem, Vieira, Xavi, Zico, Zidane,

FWD: Albert, Bale, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Best, Blokhin, Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dalglish, Del Piero, Drogba, Elkjaer, Erico, Eto'o, Eusebio, Fontaine, Fowler, Futre, G. Muller, Greaves, Griezmann, Henry, Hugo Sanchez, Keegan, Kempes, Klinsmann, Kocsis, Kubala, L. Suarez, Larsson, Law, Lewandowski, Meazza, Messi, Neymar, Pancev, Papin, Pele, R. Baggio, Raul, Riva, Romario, Romerito, Ronaldo, Rossi, Rummenigge, Schillaci, Seeler, Shearer, Shevchenko, Sivori, Spencer, Stoichkov, Suker, Torres, Tostao, Totti, Van Basten, Villa, Weah, Zola

Dip Pool:
Amoros, Ashley Cole, Benarrivo, Bossis, Butragueno, Campbell, Dempsey, Deyna, Edmundo, Gerrard, Giggs, Kanu, Kewell, Koeman, Lampard, Lineker, McGrath, Nakata, O'Shea, Owen, Prosinecki, Ribery, Rocha, Rooney, Tevez, Valderrama, Vidal, Vidic, Vieri, Zambrotta, Zola, Zyryanov

@Oaencha
 
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Can someone let me know why my image won't show?
 
Regarding Gerrard, I think he is under-appreciated. If he were Brazilian or a former United player, he would have been more popular here :D

Cheers.

I think he would thrive in the system I'm trying to employ!

Was really considering Zlatan as well but I wasn't sure how he would work with my franchise player.

There are diverse versions of Zlatan so pretty versatile. Curious to discover your franchise player at the end of the process.

So, the quality of the team doesn't matter AT ALL?

Or its also important along with the "main player" being used correctly and in a system which takes the best out of him?

If your goal is to gain a lot of votes, let's say:

- you need to have an 'harmonious team' and avoid 'controversies' from a tactical standpoint. For instance, very challenging to sell a team with Deco & Zidane
- quality players / big names to attract voters of course
 
Seeing as it looks like I'm on my now, can I confirm I have to pick a player from the dip pool?
 
What's the context for the quality? In isolation? I'm assuming the match dynamics will be different then - think this was the point @Chesterlestreet was making. Your Zidane up against my Bramble doesn't matter because we're not recreating an actual match, just two teams in isolation.

As a 25 times winner of the draft, your job is to provide answers, not to ask questions ;)

This draft was aimed at getting new players/debates and a stronger focus on tactical considerations.

Some will punish teams whose 'team-building around a star' is disappointing and some will vote for the 'best team'.