Surveillance Draft

[mazhar13]

If 2 players come off injured and he can only play one of Rooney/Park/Brown at one time, surely that leaves him with only 10 men on the pitch?

Yeah, so he'll sub off one of Rooney/Park/Brown for whoever's remaining on the bench.

 

[antohan]

Shadowwanker 1. Nedved 2. Schweinsteiger 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ayala 5. Petrescu 6. Essien 7. McManaman 8. Benarrivo 9. Moller 10. Van Persie 11. Bonucci 12. Unpicked defensive sub 13. Unpicked LW 14. Unpicked GK

So, basically, I've used up:

• Dortmund first half, Bayern and Germany
• Parma, Juventus, the only relevant period for Lazio, and the edges of Italy
• United and Netherlands post 00s,
• Liverpool and England pre-00s
• Real since 2000, Valencia's only relevant period and Argentina bar the Messi generation
• Chelsea and a bit of Arsenal

I can reinforce with:

• Brazil, France, Spain, Uruguay and most of Italy and England
• Arsenal, Barcelona, AC Milan, Inter Milan and smatterings of United, Real, Liverpool and Dortmund

 

[prath92]

Rvp played with only Rooney though

 

[antohan]

Rvp played with only Rooney though

Yeah, true, just checked. It was far too ridiculous otherwise.

 

[antohan]

BTW, I spent the whole draft wondering why nobody was picking Bale, even had a chat with The Stain about him (he would have zero interest given he had Cristiano, except as a sub only for him maybe). I had my heart set on a different LW, Bale certainly wasn't the sort of LW I needed (not the real Bale in any case), but needed someone to validate I wasn't being too damn foolhardy.

Yesterday I still wondered... until someone mentioned Busquets being marginally younger and it dawned on me that I never bothered look up and cut off the 88/89 players from the 80s tag.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Yeah, so he'll sub off one of Rooney/Park/Brown for whoever's remaining on the bench.

It still doesn't make sense to me. He can only make two subs in a match. Say for example that Nedved gets injured and he brings on Park as his first substitute. One sub used, 11 men on the pitch. Then Carvalho gets injured, and he wants to bring on Brown as his second and final substitute, but he can't play Brown and Park at the same time. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, because it seems to me that if he picks up two injuries in this first match that he can't avoid playing with 10 men.

 

[mazhar13]

It still doesn't make sense to me. He can only make two subs in a match. Say for example that Nedved gets injured and he brings on Park as his first substitute. One sub used, 11 men on the pitch. Then Carvalho gets injured, and he wants to bring on Brown as his second and final substitute, but he can't play Brown and Park at the same time. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, because it seems to me that if he picks up two injuries in this first match that he can't avoid playing with 10 men.

Yes, they can't so he'll sub out Park for Brown and adjust his team accordingly.

Again, it's a risky move, but I see why he went with those last 3 picks.

 

[antohan]

If 2 players come off injured and he can only play one of Rooney/Park/Brown at one time, surely that leaves him with only 10 men on the pitch?

Yes, Rooney can only play if RVP is injured and automatically blocks the other two, so he is screwed if there's a second injury.

If AN other gets injured Brown or Park come on, no problem, but a second injury (1/16 chance) leaves him with 10.

I'd have thought that Joga would be one of the safest choices to shadow in the draft. Not that he's likely to get two injuries though.

In fairness, if he goes out that way I should as well as I can't take two injuries either except when one is to Ruud (my other two subs played together).

 

[antohan]

Yes, they can't so he'll sub out Park for Brown and adjust his team accordingly.

Again, it's a risky move, but I see why he went with those last 3 picks.

You are missing the point. He can't sub Park out to bring on Brown because there's no one on the bench to sub in.

10 players + 1 that clashes with one sub, who clashes with 2 subs.

Injure two of the first 11 and you have 9 + only one other being able to get on the pitch.

It's a risk worth taking in the first round to leave as much room as possible for reinforcements. If he gets two injured and crashes out it's part and parcel. Some you win, some you lose.

 

[Joga Bonito]

It's a risk worth taking in the first round to leave as much room as possible for reinforcements. If he gets two injured and crashes out it's part and parcel. Some you win, some you lose.

Aye, if I'm unlucky enough to get two injuries then I'm out.

Tried to accommodate another player but it would just weaken my squad overall in the long run.

 

[P-Nut]

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís 10. Naybet 11. Oscar Cordoba 12. Kluivert 13. Garcia Aspe

Sir Scholes - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni 10. Abbondanzieri 11. Pirlo 12. Okocha 13. Solskjaer

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon 10. Litmanen 11. Salas 12. Graeme Le Saux 13. V.Baia

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi 10. Escobar 11. Ivanovic 12. Salihamidzic 13. Jardel

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily 10. D Suker 11. Zamorano 12. JC Valeron 13. Ziege

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto 10.Falcao 11. Radebe 12. Zabaleta 13. Aimar

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon 10. Miranda 11. Cavani 12. J. Heinrich 13. Cazorla

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto 10. Klos 11. Mark van Bommel 12. P.Cocu 13. T. Linke

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech 10. Ince 11. Leonardo 12. Bonucci 13. Francisco Arce

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna 10. Sergi 11. Cambiasso 12. Pepe 13. Peruzzi

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn 10. De Rossi 11. Riquelme 12. Geremi 13. Baines

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi 10.Barthez 11. Bierhoff 12. C. Bravo 13. Brolin

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay 10. Handanovic 11. Basler 12. Robinho 13. Gattuso 14. Carragher

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljungberg 9. Julio Cesar 10. Juan Pablo Sorin 11. Babbel 12. Klose 13. Sousa 14. Srna

Pat Mustard/Sjor Bepo 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson 10. Lloris 11. Tugay 12. Yaya Toure 13. Nani 14. Kuffour

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller 11. Grosso 12. Park 13. Rooney 14. W.Brown

Shadowwanker 1. Nedved 2. Schweinsteiger 3. van Nistelrooy 4. Ayala 5. Petrescu 6. Essien 7. McManaman 8. Benarrivo 9. Moller 10. Van Persie 11. Bonucci 12. Unpicked defensive sub 13. LW 14. GK


@Downcast

 

[P-Nut]

Finally finished. I'm happy with that squad though and it's been a struggle whilst still being fun.

 

[SirScholes]

Finally finished. I'm happy with that squad though and it's been a struggle whilst still being fun.

Have you had the same pain as me, thinking of a good player then finding he was either born in 1966 or had a brief loan spell with another ? Ha

 

[Annahnomoss]

@Downcast Had our eyes on Brolin as well, hardly blocks anybody and can cover the right wing, AM/SS and even as a CM in a three man midfield. Not the most versatile but he brings so much star quality for a bench option.

He was sold to Parma after just 9 games for IFK Norrköping after his break through for the national side. Such a sad story how he went from one of the better players in the world pre-injury and being included in the World Cup all star team to breaking his foot and never coming back to form.

So underrated in terms of his actual peak level.

 

[Isotope]

Nicee... really underrated player. I actually rate him higher than your earlier RB pick .

 

[Enigma_87]

Yesterday I still wondered... until someone mentioned Busquets being marginally younger and it dawned on me that I never bothered look up and cut off the 88/89 players from the 80s tag.

Aye, we have discussed with Mazhar Busquets since pick 7 only to found out 4 picks later he's ineligible and kept wondering how come he's not picked. Bale was on the list initially as well with Muller I also didn't cut those younger than 87

 

[mazhar13]

You are missing the point. He can't sub Park out to bring on Brown because there's no one on the bench to sub in.

10 players + 1 that clashes with one sub, who clashes with 2 subs.

Injure two of the first 11 and you have 9 + only one other being able to get on the pitch.

It's a risk worth taking in the first round to leave as much room as possible for reinforcements. If he gets two injured and crashes out it's part and parcel. Some you win, some you lose.

That's assuming that he doesn't sub out van Persie in the first place.

 

[antohan]

That's assuming that he doesn't sub out van Persie in the first place.

You mean subbing him out even if not injured?

His Van Persie replacement is Rooney. Bring on Rooney and neither of the other two subs can get on the pitch.

There's basically three subs (Rooney, Brown, Park) who have all played with each other. Only one can play at any one time. Lose two players from the other 11 and you are left with 9 + the one guy you choose to bring on out of those three. You can rotate them all you want, you just can't have 11 guys on the pitch.

 

[mazhar13]

You mean subbing him out even if not injured?

His Van Persie replacement is Rooney. Bring on Rooney and neither of the other two subs can get on the pitch.

There's basically three subs (Rooney, Brown, Park) who have all played with each other. Only one can play at any one time. Lose two players from the other 11 and you are left with 9 + the one guy you choose to bring on out of those three. You can rotate them all you want, you just can't have 11 guys on the pitch.

No, not necessarily, but at that point, I'll probably be giving Joga too many ideas, so let's see what happens on matchday.

 

[antohan]

No, not necessarily, but at that point, I'll probably be giving Joga too many ideas, so let's see what happens on matchday.

Möller as some sort of false 9? Yeah, whatever, it's still the case that two injuries = finish the game with 10 players, unless the second injury is to the sub that came on before.

 

[mazhar13]

unless the second injury is to the sub that came on before.

That's exactly what I was thinking, and I can see that working given the versatility of his players (though he'll probably be stretching it at that point, but ah well, c'est la vie).

 

[prath92]

Nicee... really underrated player. I actually rate him higher than your earlier RB pick .

Yeah he is underrated mainly because he hasn't left shakhtar. Babbel is a versatile defender though who can play RB and CB

 

[antohan]

Looks like I'll have to wait to the end to unveil my last three players

 

[Ecstatic]

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís 10. Naybet 11. Oscar Cordoba 12. Kluivert 13. Garcia Aspe

Sir Scholes - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni 10. Abbondanzieri 11. Pirlo 12. Okocha 13. Solskjaer

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon 10. Litmanen 11. Salas 12. Graeme Le Saux 13. V.Baia

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi 10. Escobar 11. Ivanovic 12. Salihamidzic 13. Jardel

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily 10. D Suker 11. Zamorano 12. JC Valeron 13. Ziege

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto 10.Falcao 11. Radebe 12. Zabaleta 13. Aimar

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon 10. Miranda 11. Cavani 12. J. Heinrich 13. Cazorla

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto 10. Klos 11. Mark van Bommel 12. P.Cocu 13. T. Linke

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech 10. Ince 11. Leonardo 12. Bonucci 13. Francisco Arce

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna 10. Sergi 11. Cambiasso 12. Pepe 13. Peruzzi

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn 10. De Rossi 11. Riquelme 12. Geremi 13. Baines

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi 10.Barthez 11. Bierhoff 12. C. Bravo 13. Brolin 14. Ferrer

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay 10. Handanovic 11. Basler 12. Robinho 13. Gattuso 14. Carragher

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljungberg 9. Julio Cesar 10. Juan Pablo Sorin 11. Babbel 12. Klose 13. Sousa 14. Srna

Pat Mustard/Sjor Bepo 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson 10. Lloris 11. Tugay 12. Yaya Toure 13. Nani 14. Kuffour

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller 11. Grosso 12. Park 13. Rooney 14. W.Brown

@Physiocrat

 

[Ecstatic]

@Downcast Had our eyes on Brolin as well, hardly blocks anybody and can cover the right wing, AM/SS and even as a CM in a three man midfield. Not the most versatile but he brings so much star quality for a bench option.

He was sold to Parma after just 9 games for IFK Norrköping after his break through for the national side. Such a sad story how he went from one of the better players in the world pre-injury and being included in the World Cup all star team to breaking his foot and never coming back to form.

So underrated in terms of his actual peak level.

Thanks for your post. His story is interesting. I will try to watch one of his games in the early 90s.

 

[Raees]

@Downcast ..FFS you took our right back

 

[antohan]

@Raees, you can't wait until round 14 to pick Ferrer and expect to get him

I was surprised at the number of good RBs being left late as the drop is pretty significant. You could end up having to pick the draft legend that is **** feckin' *****!

 

[prath92]

@Raees, you can't wait until round 14 to pick Ferrer and expect to get him

I was surprised at the number of good RBs being left late as the drop is pretty significant. You could end up having to pick the draft legend that is **** feckin' *****!

I think sir scholes is talking about the guy you are mentioning

 

[Annahnomoss]

Thanks for your post. His story is interesting. I will try to watch one of his games in the early 90s.

Ended up watching a section where he watches some of his own interviews and best moments and answers why it went so good in the start and more importantly so bad towards the end. According to himself he was promised to be the playmaker of the team, the spider in the web as he said. But he never got the chance and the English(At least Leeds) training methods were still of the ancient macho mentality like you can't drink during training, and he smuggled in water, which had him fall out with the manager. Then the reoccuring injuries finished him off and by 28 he was forced to retire already.

I think if anybody watches his period up until the injury they'd consider him an absolute great footballer. Unfortunately for him unless you are Swedish or a Parma fan you sort of remember the fall more than the glory days. As a player he was pretty damn complete, a goal every other game for Sweden, excellent dribbler and one of those who always created dangerous situations for his team to take advantage of. Went from playing forward, to on the left, to second striker, then to the right side of the midfield and then to central midfield at the end for Parma.

"On 16 November 1994 at the Råsunda stadium, Brolin had broken his foot in a qualifier for UEFA Euro 1996. At the time of his injury, Parma were two points clear at the top of the 1994–95 Serie A league table. By the time he returned on 23 April 1995, however, Parma were eight points behind leaders and eventual champions Juventus."

 

[mazhar13]

I think if anybody watches his period up until the injury they'd consider him an absolute great footballer. Unfortunately for him unless you are Swedish or a Parma fan you sort of remember the fall more than the glory days. As a player he was pretty damn complete, a goal every other game for Sweden, excellent dribbler and one of those who always created dangerous situations for his team to take advantage of. Went from playing forward, to on the left, to second striker, then to the right side of the midfield and then to central midfield at the end for Parma.

I tend to agree with this assessment. I watched the 1993 Cup Winners' Cup final, and I was really impressed with Brolin's all-rounded attacking game. He really was Parma's most dangerous player with some good dribbling, passing through the lines, and movement that made it tough for the Antwerp defenders to track him. It's too bad that more isn't made of his Parma spell as he's a good player there.

 

[Raees]

@Raees, you can't wait until round 14 to pick Ferrer and expect to get him

I was surprised at the number of good RBs being left late as the drop is pretty significant. You could end up having to pick the draft legend that is **** feckin' *****!

We were so close . Regret picking Ziege first now. I have two cracking right back's still in the bag but it will make me vulnerable to injuries.

 

[Physiocrat]

Martin Jorgenson

The man who always scored against me on CM 01/02.

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís 10. Naybet 11. Oscar Cordoba 12. Kluivert 13. Garcia Aspe

Sir Scholes - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni 10. Abbondanzieri 11. Pirlo 12. Okocha 13. Solskjaer

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon 10. Litmanen 11. Salas 12. Graeme Le Saux 13. V.Baia

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi 10. Escobar 11. Ivanovic 12. Salihamidzic 13. Jardel

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily 10. D Suker 11. Zamorano 12. JC Valeron 13. Ziege

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto 10.Falcao 11. Radebe 12. Zabaleta 13. Aimar

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon 10. Miranda 11. Cavani 12. J. Heinrich 13. Cazorla

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto 10. Klos 11. Mark van Bommel 12. P.Cocu 13. T. Linke

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech 10. Ince 11. Leonardo 12. Bonucci 13. Francisco Arce

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna 10. Sergi 11. Cambiasso 12. Pepe 13. Peruzzi

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn 10. De Rossi 11. Riquelme 12. Geremi 13. Baines 14. Jorgenson

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi 10.Barthez 11. Bierhoff 12. C. Bravo 13. Brolin 14. Ferrer

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay 10. Handanovic 11. Basler 12. Robinho 13. Gattuso 14. Carragher

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljungberg 9. Julio Cesar 10. Juan Pablo Sorin 11. Babbel 12. Klose 13. Sousa 14. Srna

Pat Mustard/Sjor Bepo 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson 10. Lloris 11. Tugay 12. Yaya Toure 13. Nani 14. Kuffour

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller 11. Grosso 12. Park 13. Rooney 14. W.Brown

@Edgar Allan Pillow @VivaJanuzaj

 

[Annahnomoss]

I tend to agree with this assessment. I watched the 1993 Cup Winners' Cup final, and I was really impressed with Brolin's all-rounded attacking game. He really was Parma's most dangerous player with some good dribbling, passing through the lines, and movement that made it tough for the Antwerp defenders to track him. It's too bad that more isn't made of his Parma spell as he's a good player there.

Yup! Well explained. It wasn't that he was necessarily the best in any sort of attributes but he just had that efficiency about him, incredibly smart, sort of like Henrik Larsson and there was a constant danger around him. He had way more skills than Larsson ever did of course, but that similar sort of intelligence and creativity in the movement and suddenly you can score the header even if your centre backs are 20 centimeter taller Scottish beasts.

Not the sort of RVP movement which is tactically flawless linear/diagonal lines from a text book, but rather that creative runs of someone like RVN/Inzaghi/Larsson. Hard to explain but one of those players who packed a punch way above his weight class. (I guess later in his career he grew in to his punch)

 

[harms]

There was a funny story behind the spider in the web comment, wasn't there? Just a general feeling, can't remember it myself

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Need some time to think this, haven't given ourselves an easy time with Sergi/Senna picks. Injuries can really screw us sideways.

 

[Isotope]

Yeah he is underrated mainly because he hasn't left shakhtar. Babbel is a versatile defender though who can play RB and CB

Even at 34 on the last Euro, i think he was the best RB on the tournament.

 

[antohan]

Even at 34 on the last Euro, i think he was the best RB on the tournament.

No idea who you are talking about, but my guess is he is actually an AM.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís 10. Naybet 11. Oscar Cordoba 12. Kluivert 13. Garcia Aspe

Sir Scholes - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni 10. Abbondanzieri 11. Pirlo 12. Okocha 13. Solskjaer

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon 10. Litmanen 11. Salas 12. Graeme Le Saux 13. V.Baia

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi 10. Escobar 11. Ivanovic 12. Salihamidzic 13. Jardel

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily 10. D Suker 11. Zamorano 12. JC Valeron 13. Ziege

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto 10.Falcao 11. Radebe 12. Zabaleta 13. Aimar

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon 10. Miranda 11. Cavani 12. J. Heinrich 13. Cazorla

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto 10. Klos 11. Mark van Bommel 12. P.Cocu 13. T. Linke

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech 10. Ince 11. Leonardo 12. Bonucci 13. Francisco Arce

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna 10. Sergi 11. Cambiasso 12. Pepe 13. Peruzzi

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn 10. De Rossi 11. Riquelme 12. Geremi 13. Baines

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi 10.Barthez 11. Bierhoff 12. C. Bravo 13. Brolin

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay 10. Handanovic 11. Basler 12. Robinho 13. Gattuso

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljungberg 9. Julio Cesar 10. Juan Pablo Sorin 11. Babbel 12. Klose 13. Sousa 14. Srna

Grrr, a pox on both your houses. sadly i wasnt home and forgot about him when i made my maicon pick. really like srna myself

 

[Annahnomoss]

There was a funny story behind the spider in the web comment, wasn't there? Just a general feeling, can't remember it myself

Maybe, they didn't mention it in this section in particular but he has comedic value too.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís 10. Naybet 11. Oscar Cordoba 12. Kluivert 13. Garcia Aspe

Sir Scholes - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni 10. Abbondanzieri 11. Pirlo 12. Okocha 13. Solskjaer

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon 10. Litmanen 11. Salas 12. Graeme Le Saux 13. V.Baia

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi 10. Escobar 11. Ivanovic 12. Salihamidzic 13. Jardel

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily 10. D Suker 11. Zamorano 12. JC Valeron 13. Ziege

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto 10.Falcao 11. Radebe 12. Zabaleta 13. Aimar

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon 10. Miranda 11. Cavani 12. J. Heinrich 13. Cazorla

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto 10. Klos 11. Mark van Bommel 12. P.Cocu 13. T. Linke

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech 10. Ince 11. Leonardo 12. Bonucci 13. Francisco Arce

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna 10. Sergi 11. Cambiasso 12. Pepe 13. Peruzzi 14. Valencia

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn 10. De Rossi 11. Riquelme 12. Geremi 13. Baines 14. Jorgenson

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi 10.Barthez 11. Bierhoff 12. C. Bravo 13. Brolin 14. Ferrer

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay 10. Handanovic 11. Basler 12. Robinho 13. Gattuso 14. Carragher

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljungberg 9. Julio Cesar 10. Juan Pablo Sorin 11. Babbel 12. Klose 13. Sousa 14. Srna

Pat Mustard/Sjor Bepo 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson 10. Lloris 11. Tugay 12. Yaya Toure 13. Nani 14. Kuffour

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller 11. Grosso 12. Park 13. Rooney 14. W.Brown