The John O'Shit mentality is still evident
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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I could be way off the mark, but Derek Brazil was around in 1990 and just before.
Well, considering he's probably been the Republic's most consistent defender over the past two years (with the might of Glen Whelan and Keith Andrews providing sieve-like protection in front of him) I don't think he'll have any problems at Sunderland.
And yeah, he's not the best with the ball at his feet (although far from terrible, as some people on here seem to think) but his strength is his ability to defend...which he's very good at. Give me an example where the opposition scored and you thought 'that's O'Shea's fault'. You'd be hard pressed to think of one. You know why? Because he's actually a damn good defender.
Will they really sign Gibson now when they've got Gardner? Imagine a midfield with those two, constant shooting.
Stoke away just got a lot arder.
That means that for a defender to have to compete with world class defenders at United is not 'bad luck' but a common thing.
That's the thing. Defensively he makes less mistakes than any of our other defenders. He very rarely costs a goal. He just rarely does anything brilliant either. But his ability to just be ok to good is valuable to the squad and it's the reason why he has played so many games. He never lets us down. Nobody says he is the best player around, but he is a good defender and has proven it time and time again.
O'shea is reliable. That is all that counts.
please dont take my oshea away 
Not to some apparently.
He played twice in 4 seasons - so I didn't include him. It's like saying we have Robbie Brady so even if we sell O'Shea and Gibson - we have irish players in the team!
I can't understand why so many people are against the average tag. Being average means that he's neither good (ex Smalling last season) nor shit (Prunier level). One must also take in consideration the level he is playing in. Manchester United's level is higher then lets say Sunderland's level and someone doing well with Sunderland may well end up being below average at United (ex Richardson).
OShea is average talent wise. His defending is a bit over average, he struggles when going forward with the ball and his distribution of the ball is average. What makes him a United player is his versatility and attitude. He can play in multiple positions which is useful in a player, he accepts the bench and he doesn't overrate his talent which ultimately makes him a 'safe' player. Attitude is often underrated in here which is a shame considering that some of the most dangerous players United had ever encountered were average (in terms of talent). One can mention Gattuso or Inzaghi as examples whom while not being the most talented players around they had proved themselves to be very important players for their respective sides.
To conclude I wouldn't want OShea to leave. The reason behind it is his versatility. The Da Silvas have the potential of becoming world class players but I still has doubts whether they are yet ready (physical wise) to play week in week out without getting injured at a regular rate. OShea would prove a decent cover for them so I would like to see him remain. However, if OShea wants regular football or if SAF has unearthed a potentially world class player (either through the youth academy or from another club) then I understand the reasoning behind his sale. OShea will never be world class whether we like that or not.
OShea is average talent wise. His defending is a bit over average, he struggles when going forward with the ball and his distribution of the ball is average. What makes him a United player is his versatility and attitude. He can play in multiple positions which is useful in a player, he accepts the bench and he doesn't overrate his talent which ultimately makes him a 'safe' player. Attitude is often underrated in here which is a shame considering that some of the most dangerous players United had ever encountered were average (in terms of talent). One can mention Gattuso or Inzaghi as examples whom while not being the most talented players around they had proved themselves to be very important players for their respective sides.
To conclude I wouldn't want OShea to leave. The reason behind it is his versatility. The Da Silvas have the potential of becoming world class players but I still has doubts whether they are yet ready (physical wise) to play week in week out without getting injured at a regular rate. OShea would prove a decent cover for them so I would like to see him remain. However, if OShea wants regular football or if SAF has unearthed a potentially world class player (either through the youth academy or from another club) then I understand the reasoning behind his sale. OShea will never be world class whether we like that or not.
It's good for O'Shea to move, he became almost entirely a backup at seasons end rather than in rotation. It's still a shock to see him move, I honestly thought Fergie would never have sold him, there is certainly a changing of the guard at United this summer.
Apparently O'Shea is being valued at only 3Mil
Age and Ability probably makes that price about right.
One of the most experienced players in our squad now. Dozens of medals, dozens of international caps and you think 3m is a fair price.
One of the most experienced players in our squad now. Dozens of medals, dozens of international caps and you think 3m is a fair price.
I didn't say anything about experience. Sure he is very experienced, and captained United a good few times. That side of things would be missed. But would you value 'experience' at more than £3m?
Based on his age and ability. Yes. Good squad player, good at doing a job for us, but the ability to do anything other than mark a player and win the occasional header is just not there. For me the fact that players choose to not pass to him with the worry that he wont get the ball under control says it all.
Take ** United specs off, £3m is a fair deal for all concerned if Fergie decides to sell. We have plenty of good young defenders needing games.
Double it
At least. I'd rather see him stay but if we're hell-bent on selling him, 10 million isn't unreasonable, considering what other lesser players are being sold for.
£10m? In the United set up he is a good, useful player but put him in Sunderland's set up and he would not look like a £10m player.
£3m isn't enough for him if you just consider the transfer fee. However when you take his wages into account it is unlikely many teams will go above £4-5m.
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Maybe not, but why should we flog a good player on the cheap?
In no way is 3 million a fair deal. He's good enough to be first choice for any side outside the top 6 in more than one position.
That fact that he's not amazing going forward isn't as relevant at a smaller side as it is here as they're more likely to be on the back foot for more of the match, meaning he'll be doing what he does best and breaking up the opposition play.
Honestly I don't want him to leave, especially not for 3 million.
That fact that he's not amazing going forward isn't as relevant at a smaller side as it is here as they're more likely to be on the back foot for more of the match, meaning he'll be doing what he does best and breaking up the opposition play.
Honestly I don't want him to leave, especially not for 3 million.
Some of you lot need to get realistic regarding his price tag. I'd say 3-5m is a fair price for a 30 year old in the last year of his contract.
Big clubs always have to over pay and under sell, that's just the way it is.
Big clubs always have to over pay and under sell, that's just the way it is.
Show me one video clip or specify one game or moment when this happened. Before you do that this is purely wild and unfair speculation from your side.
If they do pay £12m for all three then there is no way to found out who was worth what to be honest, Brown will probably be valued the lowest and Gibson the highest but who really cares if it's £1m and £8m or £2m and £5m.
The low price tags are about rewarding a players for their services, surely.
By whom? Link?
You need to factor wages into it also. He would probably be the highest paid player at a Sunderland and a higher fee would make it more difficult to sell him.
3M is cheap for OShea.
I would have thought he was worth 5 million.
It's a ridiculously low fee - but United never seem to squeeze the best fees for players. As far as "value" goes, you'll struggle to find better than JOS for £3m.
o'shea is worth at least £5 million.
hope he stays though...
hope he stays though...
Again the problem will be his wages, not the fee. I guess he would want at least a 4 year deal and would not want to take a pay cut. That would put his wages+fee over the period somewhere in the £15-16m ball-park.
Valuing him at £8-10m would mean a £20-25m bill over the period, which is unrealistic.
Fergie will not price him out of a move
He let the likes of Butt and P Neville go for cheap as he felt the club owed it to the lads to get them fixed up
He let the likes of Butt and P Neville go for cheap as he felt the club owed it to the lads to get them fixed up
True, they were great servants as well.
I think that was the idea to sell two or three of them in one deal, everyones happy that way, we move out three players Ferguson does'nt have in his plans to free up squad space and lower wages, the team they go to gets a great deal for value, the players move to a new club (for the first time in their careers) with team-mates for company.
Sense all round.
Sense all round.
I might be wrong but wasn't Sheesy on £80k, Brown on £50k and Gibson? £30k?
The only reason to sell O'Shea is to leave more rooms for the youngsters. We have Fabio, Rafael, Smalling, Evans and Jones afterall. Then we also have experience key players such as Rio, Vidic and Evras. We are talking about 8 defenders for 4 spots here.