Evans hasn't played RB
He has played LB a couple of times for NI, but he looks like a CB playing LB (if that makes sense)
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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Evans hasn't played RB
He has played LB a couple of times for NI, but he looks like a CB playing LB (if that makes sense)
Yes, I can. I am also quite certain that if SAF deems O'Shea surplus to requirements, we aren't going to miss him. Certainly not to the extent some here seem to think.
Well the twins hardly ever get injured do they?
The twins, Evans, and Jones at the same time? Seems highly unlikely.
Well if he plays at right back as he does at left, which is most likely, he'll be pretty poor. As Golden Blunder says, he rarely plays left back, and when he does, he has looked like a centre back playing left back.
O'Shea is more versatile and has become more of a full back than a centre back.
I'm pretty sure he has. If not, I stand corrected.
Smalling looked pretty tasty at RB for what it's worth.
Add him to the list in place of Evans.
I wonder why Smalling didn't play right back or left back instead of O'Shea last season so? It beggars belief...
DR
Rafael
O'Shea
Brown (I expect him to leave)
DC
Vidic
Rio
Smalling
Jones
Evans
DL
Evra
Fabio
No need to sell anyone else part from Brown. 9 defenders is right given Rio's recent injury problems.
Rafael
O'Shea
Brown (I expect him to leave)
DC
Vidic
Rio
Smalling
Jones
Evans
DL
Evra
Fabio
No need to sell anyone else part from Brown. 9 defenders is right given Rio's recent injury problems.
While you're wondering, try wondering why SAF is seemingly happy to sell O'Shea. It beggars belief alright...
No you can't. How can you be certain that a player who has never even played a role, can step in and perform it adequately. I would like some clairification on your logic.
He does not see O'Shea as surplus to requirements, just as with P. Neville, if O'Shea is given the opportunity to command a regular place at another club, then Fergie would not deny him that opportunity. Fergie has said as much regarding other players such as Butt and P. Neville in the past.
Unlikely but not impossible, you seem to have a very short memeory Lance. Do you not remember the season before last. Anyway, what have Jones and Evans got to do with filling in full back positions, Evans has very, very occasionally filled in at LB, but he has never played RB. As i have already said there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest Jones is even capable of playing a full back role.
That notion seems to exist only in your mind, there is certainly nothing in reality to indicate as such.
You seem to be of the opinion that Ferguson makes all the right transfer decisions or something.
If Smalling was a better full back than O'Shea, he would of played there instead of him last season. If Evans was a better full back than O'Shea, he would have played instead of him last season. Fabio & Rafael are clearly better, yet O'Shea often plays instead of either of them. Do you not understand that?
Why so, considering Ferguson has better full backs in Evans and Smalling, would O'Shea still play instead of them? It just makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes, I can. I have seen him play. From what I have seen, I am confident he can fill in at RB.
How do you know this is the case with O'Shea? I would like some specific evidence to back up your claim. Not baseless assumptions on your part.
I disagree. Smalling can also fill in.
Other than forming an opinion based on what you see on the pitch, of course.
I made this point in another thread and got trashed, but it's true. The age of the utility player is over.
Yes O'Shea can play five positions, but he can't play any of those positions better than a specialized player. We can now have 7 substitutes on the bench. If we accept that O'Shea can play RB, LB, CB, and CM, I know I would rather pull off the bench Fabio for the sideback slots, Smalling for CB and Anderson/Fletcher/Giggs for CM.
O'Shea was extremely useful back when we had 5 slots and it was important to have players capable of performing in multiple slots; just as it was important 50 years ago when you had one sub, to have a sub who could slot anywhere.
O'Shea is good, but he's not great and there are other players on the bench who play in his position that are better.
He's been a great servant and I love the jolly giant, but he's not needed at this time. He deserves to start or at least play more with the skill set he has and at the age he is. But he's not going to find it here any more. The younger lads are just too good.
He deserves to spend his last 3/5 years finally playing consistently a whole season. When was the last time he got a full season?
Why have a utility player when you can have three specialized players?
The way I see it is that Fergie probably believes O'Shea is still good enough for United but sometimes you've got to be ruthless in order to move forward, something he has never shied away from in the past.
Just as it makes zero sense for SAF to sell O'Shea if he is the player you seem to think he is. Of course, another theory is that you are simply overrating him.
As I recall, Fergie is on record as stating that he only regrets letting one player leave Old Trafford. That was Stam. Somehow, I don't believe O'Shea will become the second.
When has Evra played RB?
Make a guess..
Hint 1: It was a CL game..
Hint 2: He came on as a late sub..
Hint 3: He scored a goal from the RB position..
Did I once overrate O'Shea? Show me where I said he was brilliant, or very good, or invaluable, or anything like that. You won't find it. I said he is a very good utility player in the past, which is what he is. A utility player. I never said he was a great left back, right back, centre back, centre midfielder, goalkeeper or anything. He is what he is, and after 300 odd games for the club you'd have to think he has had something to offer over the years or he would have been turfed out a long time ago.
If O'Shea stays, he will play regularly. So obviously there is a place for him. If not, he would never ever play. He would not have played last season. And considering we will have lost numbers in defence from last season, then it only adds to the fact that he would still get his games.
And Ferguson doesn't admit making many mistakes. Has he not admitted yet that buying the likes of Bebe was a complete waste of money? Very rarely would Ferguson admit a mistake.
A utility player that the manager obviously feels we can do without. You seem to think letting him go is a huge mistake. I believe otherwise. Therefore, in my opinion, you are overrating him.
That is speculation on your part and I disagree with it.
After one season? I would certainly hope not.
I will repeat myself, this is a waste of time. Neither of us are going to budge so let's leave it here.
O'Shea, and £1.5 million for Fabregas and they've got a deal.
Of course letting a player go who improves the squad is a mistake. If we have games next season where Evans or Smalling are at full back, or even worse Fletcher or Carrick because we have nobody else to play, the losing O'Shea is a mistake in my opinion. And due to the fact that Rafael and Fabio get injured a lot, then there is a massive chance that somebody other than Fabio, Rafael or Evra will play at full back.
It's not speculation that we would have less players. We have lost Neville, and then if O'Shea went we'd lost him and probably Brown also, whilst bringing in Jones. That's two defenders less. It's also not speculation that he would still get games, because he has done it regularly over ten years. What has happened since the end of the season that will stop O'Shea getting games?
Not at full back you haven't. So unless his performances at CB give a reasonable indication that he can adequately cover at full back, in which case by the same logic Rio and Vidic should be added to your list of capable stand ins at full back.
Not entirely baseless Lance, as i said SAF has previously stated as much regarding P. Neville and Nicky Butt.
Based on what? The fact he can play centre half? and you accuse me of making baseless assumptions..........
Well that's my point really mate, you have not seen Jones on a pitch playing full back, so your assumption is based upon his performances at centre half, which in my experience has absolutely no bearing on his ability to perform adequately at full back.
Jones has all of the attributes of O'Shea and more. Why would anyone think he couldn't fill in at RB? Valencia did a more than decent job.
That makes no sense to me..
1. He would not be 1st choice there..
2. He wouldn't go to Arsenal surely!
I'd rather go to Arsenal and live the high life in London that fecking Sunderland or Everton.
Arsenal could do with someone like JOS to be fair.
If 1st team football was not what his motivation is he would rather just push to stay on at United..
P.S Guess the Evra playing at RB question..
based on 1 season?
If that was the case i would have said O'Shea could replace Roberto Carlos in the Brazilian team after his first season!
He's not even, like, Brazilian, man.
Because he has not proved he can, it's that simple. You say Jones has all the attributes, but he does not possess O'Shea's most commendable and valuable attributes, which are his reliability, consistency, versatility and dependability.
Jones is inexperienced and unproven, to suggest he can just adapt to playing an unfamiliar position simply because he is a better technical player than O'Shea, is nothing more than wildly optimistic speculation on your part, and how you can believe that is a reasonable basis for a credible argument, i find a little bizarre.
O'Sheacrates.
I thought he cut in and took it with his left?
An out and out winger with zero experience of playing RB (to my knowledge) filled in and did a more than decent job. Yet you think it is "wildly optimistic" to believe that a defender who was chased by SAF, Wenger and Kenny could do a similar job?
Right. This one has run it's course, I think.
Your right.. Left leg..
Evans was moved across to right back during the LC final in 2009 - played the last hour or so there after OShea (?) went off injured
What? If the players on the bench are so many and specialised how come our top scorer didn't make the champion's league final squad? Covering positions is as handy on the benc as it is on the field. You don't need two subs if O Shea is one and frees up a role for an extra player in an area you might need options to change a game.
Even if only 2 of these players leave this summer will surely be the biggest exodus of players we've had.