Couldn't agree more. He deserves much better for the job that he has done and probably will continue to do.
Just read that they paid out 49.1 million in player wages in 2009 and continue to lose around 7 million on average per year.
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Couldn't agree more. He deserves much better for the job that he has done and probably will continue to do.
Just read that they paid out 49.1 million in player wages in 2009 and continue to lose around 7 million on average per year.
O'Shea generally plays full back, very rarely CD, once a season at CM. Think about what you're saying.
Oh and once a decade in goal.
And? He isn't fecking John Terry. Hopefully his education with us will make him better.
It isn't plain stupid. You have to trust Sir Alex. It's as he says, he has a long term vision of the club. We might disagree but I would trust him completely. I remember when we bought Evra and Vidic, I guess we all do? What we buying them for? Down the line it's pretty much obvious why we bought them.
Evans at left back? I'd rather have O'Shea.
Smalling has decent in around 2 or 3 games at right back. I'd prefer O'Shea.
Jones at full back? Never really seen him play that role.
Getting in extra players is fine but I don't see the sense in letting O'Shea go when our only other natural full backs are Evra and two Brazilians who struggle to finish even one match without injury.
Plus the fact that by having him on the bench was cover for 5 positions alone.
Nothing to do with blanking out bad performances Sharky, O'shea has had some stinkers of course, but on the whole, considering he rarely gets a decent run in any one position, he has considerably less shockers than most.
How many shockers has Anderson, Carrick, Nani, Berbatov, Rooney and Evra had? I am not suggesting that O'Shea is perfect but i would contest any view that claims his contribution will not be missed.
What on Earth are you on about?
When did I once talk about O'Shea's scoring prowess?
Throughout his career, he's played across a variety of positions. During his formative years, he never settled down to a position. This can be the danger if you shunt a player around too much - that's all I said.
And I'm not the one making Terry comparisons - I'm just alluding to them. I'm just giving you an example of a very successful central defender who has played in that one position his entire career without being moved around. And he's actually quite an understated player in terms of his quality on the ball.
I read an article a while back to the effect that managers like tongive young players experience in wide areas (full back/winger/wide forward) even if that's not their natural position because there's less pressure/their mistakes aren't as key as if they were playing centrally/in the spine of the team
No one is denying he's done a great job over many years, and been a wonderful servant. It's a difficult situation, and a delicate situation for the manager having to plan for the future, and make room for younger players.
Sentimentality would not have enabled SAF to built so many teams over his reign.
He never has many excellent games as them over a season either.
I don't think JOS shoes will the hardest to fill, we've done ok without Ronaldo but feck me, JOS will be missed. You lot have me shaking my head at times.
I agree with Sultan's post above by the way, I'm not saying JOS hasn't done a great job for us over the years but feck me, some of you....
It's a good theory, I guess.
But there are plenty of examples of youngsters who come into the side at centre half and play most of their games there straight away. Smalling, for instance.
Who really cares what you'd rather have?
I'd rather have more games for the twins, Jones and Smalling, does anyone care about that?
That's a really pathetic attitude to have on a discussion forum.
I'm just happy he stopped there. I think the next logical step was to say...
My wife? I'd prefer o'shea
I'm glad there's a lack of sentiment by Sir Alex because that's what it takes. You see so many people saying, just one more season sometimes but we don't know if he'll bring someone else in? We don't know if he'll promote from within. That's why it's interesting to watch what happens.
Not really, I don't care what an individual poster prefers, I care about what SAF prefers and if he sells O'Shea then he seems to be agreeing with me.
confused me for a second, re-read my post!
Ha ha.
My bad - I thought that said "once in a decade goal."
I know what you mean - SAF's view trumps all Caftards'. But, the great man's decisions can still be debated and disputed - that's the whole point of logging on here.
Agreed Feed Me, it's just the way he put it that I didn't like. Made it sound like it was all about him
Agreed Feed Me, it's just the way he put it that I didn't like. Made it sound like it was all about him
I'm glad we've settled that. I'm just about to go to lunch, and don't like to eat on an argument.
Oh trust me I'd like that too but it doesn't really help that Fabio finishing a game is as rare as a Anderson goal and Rafael is a bit injury prone himself.
If O'Shea does go, the same people who are saying we should sell him now will be crying when we get a couple of injuries and we won't have someone of his experience to come in and play a decent game.
Want to bet?
Well considering O'Shea has been a big part of our success over the last few years and he is not being replaced, then yeah I'd be pretty sure he will be missed when we get those injuries which will come. People have very short memories.
We have signed Jones.
Do you actually think Jones was bought to sit on the bench and only play when Evra or Rafael is injured? Jones is a centre back and that's where he was ultimately bought to play. He is not a utility man in the mould of John O'Shea.
Added to that the fact that Neville has retired and Brown will go if they can get anything for him. Jones cannot replace 3 experienced players.
Evans can play RB. So can both twins. I'm quite certain Jones can do a job there if needs be. How many injuries do you think we are going to get?
I didnt say it was the sole reason off it, its a benefit that they gain the bigger picture from playing other positions
have i missed something?
Has o shea gone ?
Has o shea gone ?
I don't know what point you are trying to make Sharky. No-one is saying he is brilliant, but every successful team needs players like O'Shea and P. Neville before him.
He doesn't have to be excellent, he has to be trustworthy and relaible when called upon, and he is. That is all i and others are saying, atm when Evra or Rafael are out, O'Shea comes in and minimises the potential impact from their absence. He is not supposed to be a like for like replacement, he is a reliable stop gap who can be trusted time after time to perform the basics of a specific role to a consistently acceptable standard.
This is why many feel he will be a loss, because without him we no longer have a reliable stand in, anybody else who comes in to fulfill a similar role, will be less experienced, less dependable and less trustworthy.
It is as simple as that really. What makes me shake my head is after 10 years of performing reliably and with commendable versatility, fans like you still fail to appreciate the value of having a player like O'Shea within the squad, and seem unable to grasp how his departure will take away competent reliable cover from a variety of positions.
Well considering I've seen Fletcher, Carrick and Valencia playing in defence over the last couple of seasons when we've had far more players in the squad who can play in those positions show that we do suffer a lot from injuries.
Evans is a very poor right back. He is a centre back.
Rafael, Fabio and Ferdinand are all injury prone.
Jones is not a full back. Neither is Evans. Should O'Shea go, we have no player who can be trusted so implicitly to offer an acceptable standard of cover in either full back position, or at centre half.
Based on what?
Need I remind you that John O'Shea is also a CB?
This is a waste of time, in all honesty. You think we are going to miss him. I don't. Let's wait and see.
Theres nothing wrong with raising doubt about the amount of cover we have for fullback. The twins have been fairly injury prone so far. Aside from Evra, the other cover we have is 3 Centre backs
Unless Fergie plans to bring in another fullback, I dont see the wisdom of selling O'Shea as things currently stand
You cannot really be 'quite certain' for the simple reason that Jones is yet to prove he can competently fulfill even the role(s) we bought him for, never mind adequately covering positions there is no evidence he has ever played before.
Well the twins hardly ever get injured do they?
bet you didnt think Carrick would have to play CB and Fletcher RB?