Yea, that's true. Shaw would also be an excellent option. Just that Baines' productivity is ridiculous, I must admit I'm a huge fan and think he'll do wonders here.
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Yea, that's true. Shaw would also be an excellent option. Just that Baines' productivity is ridiculous, I must admit I'm a huge fan and think he'll do wonders here.
Valencia and £15mil, you'd gladly do? Christ, that makes Fellaini look a bargain.
He is very productive no doubt but there team is set up to do that. I think he's a better player but could definitely see a bit of Young about it. Young was a player who much of Villa's attack was built around, the move to a club like United is a massive step up where unless you're of someone like RVPs class, you become a component of the attack rather than a key part and that's where its much harder to have that same impact.
Not the most economically sensible. Logic comes more from the fact that I believe signing Baines would hugely improve us, and losing Valencia will do little harm. I would be surprised if we actually offered such a deal of course.
Baines is a good player, but would he improve us that much? Evra is pretty fecking good going forward for us, Baines has better delivery, sure, and is better with dead balls, but he doesn't drive forward the way Evra does. Baines isn't a better defender either. The £15mil bid we made in the summer was fair value. Throwing Valencia in with it is fecking mental, for a near 30 year old full back.
The problem with Shaw is that Southampton have rich owners and he just signed a five year contract. He will be hard to get.
The better delivery thing is not to be glossed over. Plus also having the best set-pieces in the league. Those two factors in would hugely improve an already top team I believe. He created the most chances in the league last season. They are a similar level defensively I think.
I've said a few times over the summer that I think Baines has the potential to transform our team, as I feel he has the ability to handle the width on the left himself. This will see us firstly, now have a source of excellent delivery from the left, and secondly, be able to play a Kagawa, Adnan or even Rooney on the left and allow them to express themselves without losing balance.
I think having an option which allows Rooney to play from the left effectively will transform us as a team, because it immediately allows us to play 3 central midfielders, which we frankly need quite regularly. Rooney, despite being one of our best players, is also an obstacle for our development as a team at times I think, on the basis that we feel we must play him behind Van Persie, which limits what we can do with the midfield behind him.
So basically, one subtle change, like just switching the left-back, can make all the difference in top football to me, and can have that effect for us.
1 of 2 freekicks within 25 yards of goal would result in a goal ... give or take. But Baines is 29 - Shaw is 18 - and I don't want to let yet another Soton-supertalent slip away
Surely Evra with his driving, overlapping runs already allow for an "inside out" wide player on the left?
I think what Evra provides us in attacking areas is massively underrated.
I think what Baines could offer us is even more underrated Nev. Pat's link up play is excellent, but his final delivery for the most part, is unreliable. Baines is far better in that department in my view. He is far more comfortable putting first time, quality deliveries in from that side, and that alone would enable us to benefit far more from the space we create regularly down the left. I recall Evra's reluctance to put in a first time ball was most telling against Chelsea. It was a tight game, and the only space we created regularly was down the left. Evra received the ball in space on 4 or 5 occasions, where a decent early ball could have caused Chelsea problems, but he took a touch every time and then still failed to put in a telling delivery.
We saw yesterday how a quality delivery can change a game, and it was Evra's cross that Januzaj finished, and it turned the game in our favour. Evra does not do it often enough im afraid, and his final ball has often been erratic at best. Im not quite as sold on Baines 'transforming' our team as Rozay, but I have little doubt that we could be far more productive with Baines on the left, and better utilise the space we create so often down that flank.
Valencia will have one year left on his contract next summer. I'm guessing we're looking at options that don't involve a new contract. So maybe including him in transfer talks isn't that unlikely.
When Evra's fit and on form, there isn't a left back in the league that's close to him. I wasn't keen on him replacing Heinze at the time, but I really hope he stays at United and doesn't get eased out if we sign Baines.
Yeah, Baines has great delivery from that side, but then you lose the ability Evra has to pick the ball up in our own half and drive at the opposition. The amount of times he brings the ball from back to front, beating players, taking our possession further upfield or drawing fouls is unreal. Baines doesn't do that as well as Evra does. Baines is a good player, but for £15mil plus Valencia and losing out on what Evra brings? No thanks.
Good one today, we're mentioned a fair bit
TRANSFER GOSSIP
Argentine Willy Caballero played under Manuel Pellegrini at MalagaManchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini is lining up a January move for 32-year-old Malaga goalkeeper Willy Caballero after Joe Hart's recent errors.
Full story: Metro
Mark Hughes's Stoke have beaten his former club Manchester United to the signature of 15-year-old Belgian striker Julien Ngoy.
Full story: ESPN
Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, 22, is set for new deal following his goalscoring England debut.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Ipswich boss Mick McCarthy hopes to extend the loan deal of Manchester United midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe, 20.
Full story: Sky Sports
Sheffield United are set to open talks with former Derby boss Nigel Clough, 47, about their vacant managerial position.
Full story: Metro
New Arsenal midfielder Mesut Ozil, 24, almost became a Barcelona player before a 2010 transfer from Werder Bremen broke down.
Full story: Daily Star Sunday
Manchester United have been scouting 23-year-old Marseille playmaker Remy Cabella - valued by his club at £100m - ahead of potential January transfer.
Full story: Metro
United manager David Moyes is also looking at a cut-price deal to bring Porto's 26-year-old defensive midfielder Fernando - known as "The Squid" - to Old Trafford in January.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Newcastle are favourites to sign Manchester United's 20-year-old winger Wilfried Zaha on loan in January.
Full story: Daily Star Sunday
OTHER GOSSIP
Poland striker Robert Lewandowski, 25, has warned England his side will not roll over when the two teams meet in their final World Cup Group H qualifier on Tuesday.
Full story: Sky Sports
Robert Lewandowski has 18 international goals for PolandWest Ham must pay Manchester United £25,000 every time they pick midfielder Ravel Morrison, 20.
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Striker Wayne Rooney, 27, thought England might have to wait until the final 10 minutes to score against Montenegro.
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Newcastle United's Shola Ameobi, 32, is dreaming of playing in the World Cup for Nigeria and expects to be a substitute in the play-off against Ethiopia.
Full story: Evening Chronicle
Australia want Guus Hiddink, 66, to coach the national side for the second time following the sacking of Holger Osieck.
Full story: the West Australian
England are hoping to persuade Liverpool winger Harry Wilson, 16, to play for them instead of Wales.
Full story: Daily Mail
The Scottish Football Association has been given encouragement that Hampden will be one of the venues for Euro 2020.
Full story: Scotland on Sunday
The Football Association's decision to boost the away allocation for England's final World Cup qualifier, against Poland, means almost one in three supporters at Wembley will be Polish.
Full story: the Independent
The FA's new commission could convene next week, with England players Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho to be asked for their thoughts.
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AND FINALLY
Manchester United manager David Moyes spent the international break checking out the talent on display in League Two - at Fleetwood v Chesterfield.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Portugal forward Cristiano Ronaldo, 28, has refused to confirm or deny he deliberately got himself booked against Israel.
Full story: ESPN
TRANSFER GOSSIP
Argentine Willy Caballero played under Manuel Pellegrini at Malaga
Full story: Metro
Mark Hughes's Stoke have beaten his former club Manchester United to the signature of 15-year-old Belgian striker Julien Ngoy.
Full story: ESPN
Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, 22, is set for new deal following his goalscoring England debut.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Ipswich boss Mick McCarthy hopes to extend the loan deal of Manchester United midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe, 20.
Full story: Sky Sports
Sheffield United are set to open talks with former Derby boss Nigel Clough, 47, about their vacant managerial position.
Full story: Metro
New Arsenal midfielder Mesut Ozil, 24, almost became a Barcelona player before a 2010 transfer from Werder Bremen broke down.
Full story: Daily Star Sunday
Manchester United have been scouting 23-year-old Marseille playmaker Remy Cabella - valued by his club at £100m - ahead of potential January transfer.
Full story: Metro
United manager David Moyes is also looking at a cut-price deal to bring Porto's 26-year-old defensive midfielder Fernando - known as "The Squid" - to Old Trafford in January.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Newcastle are favourites to sign Manchester United's 20-year-old winger Wilfried Zaha on loan in January.
Full story: Daily Star Sunday
OTHER GOSSIP
Poland striker Robert Lewandowski, 25, has warned England his side will not roll over when the two teams meet in their final World Cup Group H qualifier on Tuesday.
Full story: Sky Sports
Robert Lewandowski has 18 international goals for Poland
Full story: Sunday Telegraph
Striker Wayne Rooney, 27, thought England might have to wait until the final 10 minutes to score against Montenegro.
Full story: Daily Star Sunday
Newcastle United's Shola Ameobi, 32, is dreaming of playing in the World Cup for Nigeria and expects to be a substitute in the play-off against Ethiopia.
Full story: Evening Chronicle
Australia want Guus Hiddink, 66, to coach the national side for the second time following the sacking of Holger Osieck.
Full story: the West Australian
England are hoping to persuade Liverpool winger Harry Wilson, 16, to play for them instead of Wales.
Full story: Daily Mail
The Scottish Football Association has been given encouragement that Hampden will be one of the venues for Euro 2020.
Full story: Scotland on Sunday
The Football Association's decision to boost the away allocation for England's final World Cup qualifier, against Poland, means almost one in three supporters at Wembley will be Polish.
Full story: the Independent
The FA's new commission could convene next week, with England players Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho to be asked for their thoughts.
Full story: Sunday Times (subscription required)
AND FINALLY
Manchester United manager David Moyes spent the international break checking out the talent on display in League Two - at Fleetwood v Chesterfield.
Full story: Sunday Mirror
Portugal forward Cristiano Ronaldo, 28, has refused to confirm or deny he deliberately got himself booked against Israel.
Full story: ESPN
But he plays for Montpellier. Stupid scouts, can't do anything properly.
Wonder why we wouldn't just send Zaha back to Palace on loan rather than Newcastle.
As somebody who goes to watch Chesterfield regularly I woner if moyes was looking at darikwa... everton were certainly scouting him last season.
He is certainly capable of playing at a higher level - probably not united quality yet but a big strong player who will only get better - I hope he stays at the mighty chezvegas as I think it's a good place for him to develop.
He is certainly capable of playing at a higher level - probably not united quality yet but a big strong player who will only get better - I hope he stays at the mighty chezvegas as I think it's a good place for him to develop.
End product is what it's all about Nev. Baines has got it, Evra hasn't. Where's the benefit of regular driving runs if most of the time nothing comes of it? With the amount of space he gets, he should provide a lot more, and the fact that he doesn't is why we have become so dependent on decent delivery from Valencia on the right. Imagine delivery like that coming from both flanks! I cannot see any way that would not make us far more dangerous, and more productive.
I totally agree about Valencia, although Ashley Young and £15m would see us gaining far more than we would lose in my view.
He might not provide as many assists as Baines, but his contribution to our attacking play on that side is no less important. It's not all about assist stats, he carries the ball into areas that often lead to goals. He might not assist lots, but he'll have a hand in plenty of our goals by taking the ball forward from left back and giving it to someone who gets the assist. I'm not going to claim that as a stat that should be used, I think stats are shite anyway, but anyone who reckons Evra isn't an integral part of our attacking set-up hugely underrates what he brings from left-back.
"United manager David Moyes is also looking at a cut-price deal to bring Porto's 26-year-old defensive midfielder Fernando - known as "The Squid" - to Old Trafford in January."
So, there's a small chance we could be "Squids in" this January, Sorry, just couldn't resist.
So, there's a small chance we could be "Squids in" this January, Sorry, just couldn't resist.
Evra's scored and created loads of goals in the past 12-18 months.
And he's always been integral to our attacking play with his surging runs from deep.
Yes, Baines takes free kicks and penalties to great effect, but Evra's not been a shabby provider over the years.
Evra and Baines had the same amount of goals/assists last season despite Baines taking every Everton set piece and Evra taking none of ours. Also without looking at the stats I think Evra has more assists this season, and the most out of all defenders. His end product isn't that bad.
Baines versus Evra:
Baines (PL, 13/14) - 2 goals, 0 assists - both free kicks against West Ham.
Baines (PL, 12/13) - 5 goals, 7 assists.
Evra (PL, 13/14) - 0 goals, 1 assist.
Evra (PL, 12/13) - 4 goals, 6 assists.
Hardly a world of difference.
Baines (PL, 13/14) - 2 goals, 0 assists - both free kicks against West Ham.
Baines (PL, 12/13) - 5 goals, 7 assists.
Evra (PL, 13/14) - 0 goals, 1 assist.
Evra (PL, 12/13) - 4 goals, 6 assists.
Hardly a world of difference.
No he is integral, and that is why I believe Baines would be too, only with much more reliable delivery in the final third. But each to their own, im not knocking Evra, or those who would prefer him over Baines. But in my view, I think many current doubters would be pleasantly surprised at how much our creativity and goal threat would improve, simply by having reliable and regular service from both flanks at any given time.
I don't recall claiming otherwise. His crossing is poor most of the time, that's all im saying. Evra has hernandez, RVP, Rooney and Welbeck to aim for while playing for the champions of England. Baines is playing for a decent mid table team, and has to aim mostly at Jelavic and Anichebe. If Evra had Baines delivery his assist would be through the roof imo.
That's because stats never tell the whole story and are often achieved under completely differing situations. Using your eyes and knowledge of the game is the best way to judge, then you don't really need stats to make any point at all. Stats are best left as interesting titbits on sky sports in my view. Worthless as a debating tool in a forum.
Yet you would still expect them to offer a far better return than Jelavic or anichebe................
Statistics always need to be presented in context, but to suggest they're worthless as a debating tool is absurd.
Ultimately, Evra has better attackers ahead of him, but Baines takes free kicks and penalties - it's swings and roundabouts.
It just strikes me that you've picked a strange time - Evra's most productive period as an attacking full back - to criticise his end product. Especially when Baines hasn't event pulled up any trees so far this season in that regard.
The funny thing is, most of Evra's goals in the last year or year and a half came from headers after free kicks. Little to do with his quality at full back. He's a great attacker, but hasn't got enough to show for it normally.
Your argument misses the massive fact that Baines takes almost all of the corners and freekicks at Everton! That's where his assists come from, not from general play! How many does Evra take?
He wouldn't be taking all the set pieces here.
Well, he's never had a good shot. But that doesn't mean that his attacking play doesn't contribute. Not only does he get a healthy number of assists, he is also responsible for starting a huge number of our attacking moves. It's something that people so rarely credit, the sheer volume of our attacking football that starts with Evra picking up a loose ball and beating a man.
For me he makes all the right runs into space on the buildup but his final ball is almost always lacking.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ng-Barcelona-s-Alexis-Sanchez-to-Old-Trafford
total bullshit but feck it would be nice...
total bullshit but feck it would be nice...
Reports suggest that United will have money available in January to make as many as three big-name signings
There is no way we will make 3 big signings in January, one maybe .
If that, but I suppose it depends on what you consider a "big-name" signing.
I would take Sanchez in January.
Yes, and the fact that "big-name" signings often already play in the CL (a point against signing for United). And the player and selling clubs is not that willing to sell and weaken themselves at this point in the season either.
Moyes has said that he need at least six world class players in the team to win the CL, so he is certainly looking to add good players. I think that will be in the summer though.