Summer transfer window

Hitchcocker said:
What do we need?

- Two centre backs (Ferdinand and Vidic)
- Two full-backs (Evra and someone who can play LB/RB)
- Two central midfielders (Giggs retiring, Anderson leaving, Carrick aging)
- One winger (to replace Young)
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No chance... We have enough anyway. One will do if that.
 
We will never sign 7 players. Before we signed Mata, Woodward said we can make 5 signings if we have a bad season.

Without any additions we will have the following squad at the end of this season.

GK
De Gea, Lindegaard

FB
Rafael, Buttner

CB
Jones, Smalling, Evans

CM
Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Cleverley

RAM/LAM/CAM
Kagawa, Mata, *Januzaj, Nani, Young, Valencia

ST
Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Hernandez

That's 20 players that need to be registered. Leaves us with 5 more additional spots to fill in our squad if Moyes plans to have a large squad. I think Cleverley, Buttner and Young are very likely to go this summer as they're clearly not good enough while Chicharito may leave to look for first team opportunities which will leave us even shorter even in terms of numbers.

When you look at that squad it becomes very clear that we need to add in that defensive and central midfield area.
 
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Sixpence said:
Not sure if serious. You think we can cope with 3 CB's next season?
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I said one. Why the hell do we need 2 extra centre backs for a position that only accommodates two. 5 players for two positions? Have faith that we already have two that can do the job... The last thing i want to see is the centre backs getting continuously rotated. We need a settled team not more tinkering.
 
Mainoldo said:
I said one. Why the hell do we need 2 extra centre backs for a position that only accommodates two. 5 players for two positions? Have faith that we already have two that can do the job... The last thing i want to see is the centre backs getting continuously rotated. We need a settled team not more tinkering.
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This season we have 5 CBs and yesterday we've had to play CM in CB. And it's not like Jones, Smalling and Evans are less injury prone than Vidić and Ferdinand.
 
Kostur said:
This season we have 5 CBs and yesterday we've had to play CM in CB. And it's not like Jones, Smalling and Evans are less injury prone than Vidić and Ferdinand.
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I think we should bring 1 CB in and promote Michael Keane. He's good enough for 5-10 apps a season.
 
Lu Tze said:
I think we should bring 1 CB in and promote Michael Keane. He's good enough for 5-10 apps a season.
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Yup, I'd see it this way as well. Or if Moyes will decide that Keane is still not up to the job, I wouldn't mind one proven defender and one that could be a bit 'older' yet bench happy.
 
Kostur said:
This season we have 5 CBs and yesterday we've had to play CM in CB. And it's not like Jones, Smalling and Evans are less injury prone than Vidić and Ferdinand.
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Has this never happened before? Have we never been in a situation where Carrick had to play centre back? The question is do we need a two centre backs for the sack of saying 'just in case'. We have four strikers and not once have we been thankful for Hernandez this season (injury wise) and our strikers have been out for long periods of time. All i'm saying is we don't need more cover.
 
Kostur said:
Yup, I'd see it this way as well. Or if Moyes will decide that Keane is still not up to the job, I wouldn't mind one proven defender and one that could be a bit 'older' yet bench happy.
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To replace who on the bench? Evans?
 
Kill 'em all said:
We will never sign 7 players. Before we signed Mata, Woodward said we can make 5 signings if we have a bad season.

Without any additions we will have the following squad at the end of this season.

GK
De Gea, Lindegaard

FB
Rafael, Buttner

CB
Jones, Smalling, Evans

CM
Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Cleverley

RAM/LAM/CAM
Kagawa, Mata, *Januzaj, Nani, Young, Valencia

ST
Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Hernandez

That's 20 players that need to be registered. Leaves us with 5 more additional spots to fill in our squad if Moyes plans to have a large squad. I think Cleverley, Buttner and Young are very likely to go this summer as they're clearly not good enough while Chicharito may leave to look for first team opportunities which will leave us even shorter even in terms of numbers.

When you look at that squad it becomes very clear that we need to add in that defensive and central midfield area.
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You think Young, Cleverley and Büttner are likely to go while Nani and Kagawa would stay ? Sounds like wishful thinking. Ofcourse we don't know who is going and who is staying but if if the reports in the media are anything to go by kagawa, Hernandez and Nani (been linked with a move to the serie A now for over a year) are the ones who might be leaving while I have read nothing about Young (his salary is also so high nobody will want to sign him from us) and the only article I saw about Cleverley was the club wanted to give him a new 5 year deal and Büttner is our only leftback if Evra leaves I don't think it is likely we will sell unless unless we bring in atleast 2 players who can cover that position (which I think is unlikely). Also where is Giggs on your list after his display at Olympiakos and his quotes after the game I think it is likely he'll be a part of our squad next season aswell.

Players I think are more or less certain to leave: Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra
Players: who are likely to leave: Nani
Players who might leave: Kagawa, Hernandez
Players that could leave but not likely: Young, Cleverley, Büttner
Players who are more or less certain to stay: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Valencia, Januzaj, Mata, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Jones, DDG, Lindegaard

In short that are 16 players who are likely to be here next season and 9 who might be leaving in the summer. Januzaj is under 21 so he doesn't count towards the 25 player limit which basically leaves us with 10 potential player spots to fill in. Some of those will be filled in by players that I've listed under might be leaving (that will stay) and some will be filled in by new signings. Also the squad may be enlarged by signing up players from under 21, from our own youth Varela and Keane sound like plausible additions and if we'd buy Shaw he'd also not count to towards the limit (for example)

So basically it depends on the amount of players that will leave in the summer. If only Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra leave we'll have 4 available spots for new players over 21 in the team. Other spots will depend on players leaving, I don't think it is unlikely we could see 2 or 3 additional players leaving which would permit us to sign 6-7 players over 21 if we wish to do so (which doesn't mean we will but we can if we want to).

The 25 man limit won't be a problem for bringing in our targets, the only problems we'll have is convincing the players without CL football and the financial constraints of our budget.

For example:

Out: Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Nani, Kagawa
In: Coentrao, Mangala, De Sciglio, Carvalho, Kroos, Lucas Mourra, Varela

Squad for next season:

Attack
Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez

LM/LW RM/RW CAM
Mata, Januzaj, Valencia, Young, Lucas Mourra

Midfield
Kroos, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Carvalho, Fellaini, Fletcher

Central Defence
Mangala, Evans, Smalling, Jones

Fullbacks
Rafael, Coentrao, De Sciglio, Büttner, Varela

GK
DDG, Lindegaard

25 players over 21
11 of which are homegrown
and 2 additional players under 21
 
Creative Central Midfielder
Holding Midfielder
Winger who is quick and scores goals.
Left Back
Centre Back.
 
Mainoldo said:
Has this never happened before? Have we never been in a situation where Carrick had to play centre back? The question is do we need a two centre backs for the sack of saying 'just in case'. We have four strikers and not once have we been thankful for Hernandez this season (injury wise) and our strikers have been out for long periods of time. All i'm saying is we don't need more cover.
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Thing is, even if there's something wrong with our strikets derpartment then we can always play a natural #10 behind the other striker and benefit from it.

Mainoldo said:
To replace who on the bench? Evans?
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No, to kick in when Evans, Smalling and Jones are injured.
 
If those Carvalho stories are true looks like we won't be concerned about the amount of money we're prepared to spend. £37m is hell of a lot of money to spend on someone who is as young and untried as he is.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ited-manchester-city-david-moyes?CMP=twt_gugu

This newspaper's information is that deals have already been provisionally agreed for two players in what promises to be an extensive recruitment programme over the summer. The club have deliberately tried to set up transfers six months in advance. Joel Glazer has been more hands-on than many people might realise, speaking to the executive vice chairman, Ed Woodward, three times a day on average from Florida and the club have been encouraged by the feedback from agents. Not once has there has been an indication that a player might be put off because of the prospect of playing in the Europa League next season.
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Darren Fletcher, the Scotland captain, is also likely to leave Old Trafford this summer with Moyes prepared to listen to offers for the midfielder who has recently returned to action following a lengthy battle against ulcerative colitis.
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Hope that isn't true.
 
Midfield and defence need major overhauls. Goal and forward are fine unless important players are leaving.

We need 8 defenders, so probably a right back, left back and centre back, either bought or promoted from the reserves, to add to Rafael, Smalling, Jones and Evans. None of our defenders except Evra can be relied upon to stay fit.
 
Brophs said:
Hope that isn't true.
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Agree, but we need to cut the numbers in midfield whatever the case. All stories report that we'll sign 2 midfielders this summer, and I completely agree that we need 2 quality mids in. To do that though, we need to get rid of a few first. If not, we'll have Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, all as squad players and then the 2 new starters. We don't need 6 players for 2 positions. Fellaini only just came so he's not going anywhere, Carrick has been a very good player over the years and is our best passer, so its between Fletcher and Cleverley. Unfortunately I think it'll be fletcher because he's older and the disease had to have taken a lot out of him so he doesn't have a long time left in his career probably (not saying it's right or wrong, personally think he can still be a very useful player for us, just saying it makes sense on Moyes' part if it is the case).
 
Brophs said:
Hope that isn't true.
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I can see us selling two midfielders in the summer, one being Anderson, to make room for two new midfielders. With Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini, possibly Giggs and possibly Powell next season there's not much room for these two new midfielders, which are still required, is there? I'd toy with the idea of moving on Carrick personally, but I think Moyes will be keen to keep hold of him. Fellaini won't be going anywhere. This leaves Fletcher and Cleverley, and there was talk of a new contract for Cleverley a week or so ago. I'm not sure Moyes will, or can, hold much room for sentiment in the summer when it comes to moving on players.
 
I can't see us selling Fletcher, I imagine he'll go from player to coaching staff at the club eventually and right now he's arguably the best CM we have.
 
Twigg said:
Sacking Moyes aside, what would it actually take, this summer, to bring us up a level, and to have us competing once more with the very best?
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2 new good fullbacks, a worldclass centreback, a good defensive midfielder, a good playmaking scoring midfielder and a real winger who can get passed his man, deliver a good cross and has goals in him.

Piszczek, Coentrao, Benatia, Carvalho, Kroos and Di Maria (or similar quality signings) is what It'd take to get us back up to the level of other big teams like Real, Bayern etc. I'd reckon 3 of those with a couple of decent back ups for the other positions would suffice to get us back to the level for contending for the title.

However they are all useless if you don't have coach who knows what to do with these players. You need somebody with the tactical wits to win the big games, the right people management skills to motivate the players and somebody who knows how to make the players better, train them, drill them on the passing and pressure play to make it a second nature. If you don't have that guy forget it, and sorry Moyes just doesn't seem like that guy to me. Give him the right players and he'll get us back into the top 4, given a bit of luck and alot of patience we may even snatch a rare piece of silverware over the next decade maybay even the PL but he won't make it a regular thing like Fergie did and he'll never be able to take on teams like Bayern and Real or Barca who are superior on every single level.
 
To make this team competitive with the City and Chelsea, let alone the top CL teams we will need to spend like Real Madrid did in 2009. We probably need to break our transfer record 5 times if we are to expect fair value prices for the sort of quality additions we need to add.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Piszczek, Coentrao, Benatia, Carvalho, Kroos and Di Maria (or similar quality signings) is what It'd take to get us back up to the level of other big teams like Real, Bayern etc. I'd reckon 3 of those with a couple of decent back ups for the other positions would suffice to get us back to the level for contending for the title.
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Essentially you are saying we can overtake the top CL teams by buying their rejects or players that they will have no interest in,
 
With no European football we dont need such a big squad, and the Glazers will be looking to cut the wages bill. So I can see us only buying 3 players: 2 defenders and a midfielder. But we will get rid of at least 5 top players.
 
Out:

Valencia
Young
Vidic
Hernandez

In:

Shaw
Gundogan
Kroos
Reus
Cheap winger prospect
Promote a CB

Set up like this:

DDG

Rafael - Jones - Evans - Shaw
Kroos
Gundogan - Kagawa
Mata - Reus
Rooney/RVP​
 
KingMinger22 said:
Essentially you are saying we can overtake the top CL teams by buying their rejects or players that they will have no interest in,
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Uhm no I said it would get us back up to their level so we could compete with them again, I never said it would allow us to overtake them. If you want to overtake the best teams in the world than you have to get your hands on their best players which won't ever happen. But if you make a good balanced quality squad (with the right manager leading them) you can grow as a team and take them on to compete with them; Atletico Madrid doesn't even have near the same quality of players like Barca and Real but they are competing with them.

If we want the quality and balance in our squad on the right level again we would need the players I listed (or similar quality). Kroos, Di Maria and Pizszcek are hardly rejects of the big clubs. Benatia is a new rising star who will have Barca and PSG tussle it out over him and Carvalho is also a rising star who can become one of the best players in his position.

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Rafael---Jones---Benatia---Coentrao
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DI Maria-------Mata-------Januzaj
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Is a team that would do really well even against the likes of Real and Bayern and would set the basis of a team that could start competing with them and in time maybay overtaking them (although I don't think any team is overtaking Bayern anytime soon).
 
Rednails said:
With no European football we dont need such a big squad, and the Glazers will be looking to cut the wages bill. So I can see us only buying 3 players: 2 defenders and a midfielder. But we will get rid of at least 5 top players.
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If that happens then next season will be an even bigger disaster than this one.
 
Griezmann is the winger united need to sign, clever footballer with 19 goals this season, at the age of 23, he does clever one-twos, has pace, great technique... he is the winger we have missed for years, he picks the right pass too, which our wingers currently don't do (Griezmann would instantly imrprove the team going forward with pace).

Ginter/Garay at CB, then theres the question of a LB/RB who has a good delivery on them.

Then there's probably three midfielders we should target to have great quality in the midfield so we can dominate teams, my dream is of Gundogan, Carvalho, Kroos (thats my dream midfield three), but if Gundogan didnt happen could throw in Pereira from the youth academy he certainly has the potential.
 
TooBias said:
Out:

Valencia
Young
Vidic
Hernandez

In:

Shaw
Gundogan
Kroos
Reus
Cheap winger prospect
Promote a CB

Set up like this:

DDG

Rafael - Jones - Evans - Shaw
Kroos
Gundogan - Kagawa
Mata - Reus
Rooney/RVP​
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Out- Vidic Buttner Cleverly Young Nani Anderson Hernandez

Retired- Giggs & Rio

Buy Shaw, bring back Zaha & Powell. Buy a couple top class midfielders and Lucas Moura and a centre back who can play 2 positions i.e The Belgian at Spurs Vertonghen who can cover left back also.
 
Midfield:

Gundogan - Should be a target as his contract is running out and he has massive potential. His injury record means that others may not see him as a priority. We should. With his injuries and low contract £25-30m may do it.

Carvalho - Never seen him, sounds right though. Must be less than £30m you would think.

Kroos - A long shot, surely. Of course, he would be an absolutely brilliant signing. North of £30m even with a short remaining contract.

Vidal - Throw the fecking bank at him. £60m or so. I don't buy for a minute that he is not attainable but it definitely would dwarf the club record.

Reus - As above.

Leftback:

Shaw - Should be the top target for the LB. Probably will cost £30m, maybe just shy and also depends if/how Chelski approach.

Centreback:

No idea but we need at least one top quality addition here.

Wildcard:

Lucas Moura - Maybe worth a punt if cheapish. Trusting in our scouts early analysis of him.
 
Tomorrow's Telegraph:
United plan £200m Summer Spree

Manchester United could spend £200 million on new players while several established players will be shown the door at Old Trafford this summer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-his-authority-in-face-of-plane-protest.html

Shaw, Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan on the wishlist apparently.

Vidic, Rio, Kagawa, Hernández, Zaha, Nani, Anderson and probably Evra, on the way out. There will be an "unprecedented number of departures."
 
Infra-red said:
Tomorrow's Telegraph:
United plan £200m Summer Spree

Manchester United could spend £200 million on new players while several established players will be shown the door at Old Trafford this summer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-his-authority-in-face-of-plane-protest.html

Shaw, Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan on the wishlist apparently.

Vidic, Rio, Kagawa, Hernández, Zaha, Nani, Anderson and probably Evra, on the way out. There will be an "unprecedented number of departures."
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Its no wonder Hernandez looks so peeved. Every time he sees his name in the media its linked with Moyes not believing in him and wanting rid. Kagawa effectively playing for a move now despite his good performances recently. Not a David Moyes player,eh?

Apparently Martinez wants to buy Cleverley too. Be amazingly funny if Clev goes to Everton and starts playing really well.
 
Infra-red said:
Tomorrow's Telegraph:
United plan £200m Summer Spree

Manchester United could spend £200 million on new players while several established players will be shown the door at Old Trafford this summer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-his-authority-in-face-of-plane-protest.html
Shaw, Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan on the wishlist apparently.
Vidic, Rio, Kagawa, Hernández, Zaha, Nani, Anderson and probably Evra, on the way out. There will be an "unprecedented number of departures."
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Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan has been my dream midfield for a long time, I love to throw those names about as it is perfectly balanced and would be incredibly defensive and creative, I really hope that happens.

#07 said:
Its no wonder Hernandez looks so peeved. Every time he sees his name in the media its linked with Moyes not believing in him and wanting rid. Kagawa effectively playing for a move now despite his good performances recently. Not a David Moyes player,eh?

Apparently Martinez wants to buy Cleverley too. Be amazingly funny if Clev goes to Everton and starts playing really well.
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Doubt it, Cleverley had plenty of time under SAF, it's nothing to do with Moyes, and Kagawa should stay in my opinion, he's very intelligent and technically gifted.
 
Wholesale changes, both in and out in one summer is absolutely the way for us to go.

Yes, they may take time to bed in and yes not all buys may work out but it's quicker and wiser than spreading the investment over a couple windows. I think the Glazers see it this way.

Also, if you buy top players that have big reputations, even if they don't work out for the club they will hold good resale value.


I think Kagawa could prove a solid squad player if he was playing with better players.

Hernandez still could offer tremendous value of he get service.
 
TheNewEra said:
Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan has been my dream midfield for a long time, I love to throw those names about as it is perfectly balanced and would be incredibly defensive and creative, I really hope that happens.



Doubt it, Cleverley had plenty of time under SAF, it's nothing to do with Moyes, and Kagawa should stay in my opinion, he's very intelligent and technically gifted.
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How would that fit in with Mata, Rooney and Van Persie though? Obviously not all have to play at once, but given that collectively they'd cost £120m (at the low end), there'd be a pretty expensive bench along with Fellaini. I'd say we were probably more likely after 1 or 2 of those 3.
 
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