Summer transfer window

It is pointless signing anyone, they will play like strangers under Moyes regime.
 
Anduin said:
Nah, Evra was past it defensively in 2011. I very, very clearly remember dreading the final and SAF's decision to play Evra against Pedro, and right it was. His 2010/11 was the first of his (defensive) decline IMHO.
We have been in need for a new left-back since 2011. I love Patrice like every United supporter, but he really should have some serious competition, not ones who Fergie didn't trust (Fabio) or sub-par players like Buttner.
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But what would you have done against Pedro? Who let's face it, wasn't even in their top 5 players!
You wouldn't put Fabio against him. So it was only ever going to be Evra.
 
Speaking of summer, I wasn't previously in this camp, but I must concede I am now becoming concerned regarding our ability to do the business we need this summer.
I think it may be largely influenced by practically all negative stuff in the press from most of our targets. The likes of Koke, Pogba, Vidal all 'happy to stay', or Dortmund not willing to sell Reus. Then for everyone else, there is a glittering list of who is who all chasing them too. The playing field has changed so much that if our plan is to throw huge money, even that does not come with guarantees now. The pool of proven talent is also as small as it's ever been now, and a lot of cash chasing too few.

What I do know, is that if we are not able to strengthen significantly, we are done at the top. I reckon one bad season is excusable, but with a clueless manager, two seasons of languishing in 7th or 8th will take a long, long time to rectify. We have this summer to get it right and get back into the Champions League next season, or I can see us not qualifying for a good while.
 
I don't care who we're talking to or looking at, all I wish for is that the players we sign want to play for Manchester United.
 
Absolute minimum to make us competitive in the league and Europa League next season:
LB
CM x 2
CB
Whilst I think Fellaini can do a great job in the holding role, I think Carrick is on the decline and Cleverley not cut out for it, so we need two very good CM's.
Evra will leave, I guess, so he needs replacing with another class player. I'd go as far as saying a better RB too, but we have other positions to fill ahead of that.
Another CB to cover the outgoing Rio and Vida. Young or old, it doesn't matter as long as they are quality.
I can't see us getting that lot, let alone other players, but we can live in hope. It's a huge shopping list, even for the likes of clubs with City's budget especially in a WC year, but if our CEO pulls his finger out we can start rebuilding well, this summer.
One thing for sure, with the amount of players due to leave this summer, we are definately in for a busy summer.
 
Rozay said:
I say throw a world record bid at Arturo Vidal in the summer. We need a warrior with some balls in the middle (who is also good at football).
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I take it you mean Club record?
 
Rozay said:
I'd pay a world record for a midfielder for him.
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£87 million? That would take up the majority of our funds, he would be insane to do that, as talented as he is. I'd imagine a £50/55 million bid would be more than enough.
 
Getsme said:
£87 million? That would take up the majority of our funds, he would be insane to do that, as talented as he is. I'd imagine a £50/55 million bid would be more than enough.
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Well I didn't count Bale as a midfielder. I was thinking more Zidane/Kaka as the most expensive midfielders ever. I'd pay in the region of that, unless the club knew of some younger version coming through somewhere that I don't who would cost less.
 
Rozay said:
Well I didn't count Bale as a midfielder. I was thinking more Zidane/Kaka as the most expensive midfielders ever. I'd pay in the region of that, unless the club knew of some younger version coming through somewhere that I don't who would cost less.
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Apologies, I read your post wrong, I agree.
 
So what is the caf consensus of the stature of player we should be going after? I know there has been a lot of panic of late, and the feeling that we need to go to the very best teams in the world and take their very best players, which is highly unlikely. There has also been the undertone of us not going for anymore 'potential'.

I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting proven, but it is a really difficult moment in the market as there is a shortage of top players around. I would hate for us to turn our backs completely on looking for 'the next big thing' by adopting a policy of that not being what we need at present. I suppose in an ideal world we get a blend.

I just feel that we have a better chance of building a top team by trying to get tomorrow's stars than we have of building a team full of today's. For example, the best 'proven' midfielder we could get may be say, Marchisio, as opposed to Vidal, and we have a better chance of getting a player who 'will be' better than Marchisio than one who 'is' better than him.
 
Rozay said:
So what is the caf consensus of the stature of player we should be going after? I know there has been a lot of panic of late, and the feeling that we need to go to the very best teams in the world and take their very best players, which is highly unlikely. There has also been the undertone of us not going for anymore 'potential'.

I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting proven, but it is a really difficult moment in the market as there is a shortage of top players around. I would hate for us to turn our backs completely on looking for 'the next big thing' by adopting a policy of that not being what we need at present. I suppose in an ideal world we get a blend.

I just feel that we have a better chance of building a top team by trying to get tomorrow's stars than we have of building a team full of today's. For example, the best 'proven' midfielder we could get may be say, Marchisio, as opposed to Vidal, and we have a better chance of getting a player who 'will be' better than Marchisio than one who 'is' better than him.
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Hopefully we're doing both. Looking for top players, but also keeping an eye on up and comers.

I would say that's it is false economy though just looking for players who can improve us a little. Fellaini was one of those type of signings. It just means you have to try and replace him later on, having already lashed loads on him.
 
I hope we are looking at a couple of players that can add some drive into the team, we need more that can carry the ball with pace.
 
Think we saw the other night how much better this team would be with a creative player in the middle, if giggs can bring our counter attack to life like that. Really do need to go all out to get that flair player in the middle. Obviously other than that we nee a left back and in some form better cover for CB and RB. Attacking options are fine, but if young/nani leave then some depth there wouldn't hurt either
 
Rozay said:
So what is the caf consensus of the stature of player we should be going after? I know there has been a lot of panic of late, and the feeling that we need to go to the very best teams in the world and take their very best players, which is highly unlikely. There has also been the undertone of us not going for anymore 'potential'.

I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting proven, but it is a really difficult moment in the market as there is a shortage of top players around. I would hate for us to turn our backs completely on looking for 'the next big thing' by adopting a policy of that not being what we need at present. I suppose in an ideal world we get a blend.

I just feel that we have a better chance of building a top team by trying to get tomorrow's stars than we have of building a team full of today's. For example, the best 'proven' midfielder we could get may be say, Marchisio, as opposed to Vidal, and we have a better chance of getting a player who 'will be' better than Marchisio than one who 'is' better than him.
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They can have potential, but they need to be ready to go straight into our first team as a starter and be quality. Central midfield in particular can't afford another "project" at the moment. The left-back has a bit more room for manoeuvre if Evra stays, whereas centre-back is tougher to gauge as most of us would like to think we have the long-term partnership already at the club, but we've chopped and changed so much that we aren't certain yet. A Reus-level wide player would also work wonders.
 
Ubik said:
They can have potential, but they need to be ready to go straight into our first team as a starter and be quality. Central midfield in particular can't afford another "project" at the moment. The left-back has a bit more room for manoeuvre if Evra stays, whereas centre-back is tougher to gauge as most of us would like to think we have the long-term partnership already at the club, but we've chopped and changed so much that we aren't certain yet. A Reus-level wide player would also work wonders.
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Absolutely. Personally, I am married to our youth policy, for me it's the most important part of the club. But tbf SAF neglected CM so badly, and we lost two youth players from there in recent years, so I think the circumstances are there to say feck it and bring in a ready made playmaker. It's just too important
 
KingMinger22 said:
Vidal for anything less than £60m would be a wise move imo.
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Vidal is loyal to Juventus, he will NEVER leave, it's a complete no-go, the negotiations will stop at "We would like to express our interest in Vidal".
 
What I would really like to see and trying to stay a bit realistic:
LB
2 CMs
Winger / Inside forward type
CB

LB: The best we can get. Whether it is Fabio Coentrao, Luke Shaw or whoever we need to bring in a top LB.

CM 1: Top class creative box-to-box type player. Again need to get the best we can, hopefully one of Vidal, Gundogan, Kroos or Koke who we've all been linked with.

CM 2: A dynamic midfielder that can play the more defensive role or a box-to-box role. This would be cheaper 15-20m player with the potential to grow so ideally 20-24 years old. I'm not a regular watcher of other leagues so not entirely sure who. James McCarthy would have been my choice in the summer past or maybe Morgan Schneiderlin. I see he's being linked with Arsenal now.

Winger: I think we should go for a more direct goal threat here. Januzaj, Mata, and Kagawa are all good but are all more on the creative side. Reus would obviously be the dream signing but not likely at all. A young signing for around 20m, Shaqiri being linked would be my top choice. Maybe Antoine Griezmann, haven't seen enough of him tbh. Maybe take a punt on Iker Munian. Nani can be good on his day but it isn't often enough and now is picking up injuries. I think it is time we move him on and bring in someone else of quality who can put in a performance regularly. One of Young and Valencia to be moved on too, who ever has a willing buyer.

CB: I'd like a real hard Vidic type CB. I don't think any of our CBs put that fear in a striker like Vidic did. Evans / Jones / Smalling / New CB is strong enough. I'd send Michael Keane on a PL loan.

That's might be asking for a bit much even. It is needed though with the massive outgoing of old important team members.
 
limerickcitykid said:
What I would really like to see and trying to stay a bit realistic:
LB
2 CMs
Winger / Inside forward type
CB

LB: The best we can get. Whether it is Fabio Coentrao, Luke Shaw or whoever we need to bring in a top LB.

CM 1: Top class creative box-to-box type player. Again need to get the best we can, hopefully one of Vidal, Gundogan, Kroos or Koke who we've all been linked with.

CM 2: A dynamic midfielder that can play the more defensive role or a box-to-box role. This would be cheaper 15-20m player with the potential to grow so ideally 20-24 years old. I'm not a regular watcher of other leagues so not entirely sure who. James McCarthy would have been my choice in the summer past or maybe Morgan Schneiderlin. I see he's being linked with Arsenal now.

Winger: I think we should go for a more direct goal threat here. Januzaj, Mata, and Kagawa are all good but are all more on the creative side. Reus would obviously be the dream signing but not likely at all. A young signing for around 20m, Shaqiri being linked would be my top choice. Maybe Antoine Griezmann, haven't seen enough of him tbh. Maybe take a punt on Iker Munian. Nani can be good on his day but it isn't often enough and now is picking up injuries. I think it is time we move him on and bring in someone else of quality who can put in a performance regularly. One of Young and Valencia to be moved on too, who ever has a willing buyer.

CB: I'd like a real hard Vidic type CB. I don't think any of our CBs put that fear in a striker like Vidic did. Evans / Jones / Smalling / New CB is strong enough. I'd send Michael Keane on a PL loan.

That's might be asking for a bit much even. It is needed though with the massive outgoing of old important team members.
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Agree with all of that mate, except I'd rather a creative midfielder and a box-to-box midfielder than two box-to-box midfielders.
 
Twigg said:
Agree with all of that mate, except I'd rather a creative midfielder and a box-to-box midfielder than two box-to-box midfielders.
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Yeah, I said creative box-to-box. I don't know if that's really a thing. Just want someone creative but can still get up and down the pitch. We're way to static at the moment.
 
You can't expect clubs like Juventus or any other top club in Europe to be selling their best players. If we're buying anyone, it will be from teams of a lower level like top 4 contenders or unearth a gem from the Dutch, French or a similar league.
 
Twigg said:
But you're just making assumptions, though. You can't say for sure that he's dedicated to Juve unless he's told you himself. I think there's a chance he'll leave if a club comes in with the right offer.
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Thing is you are talking stupid money, for a player whos heart is at Juventus, Gundogan has less than 12 months on his contract, he's 3 years younger and he would be ATLEAST half the price, if not more, and has expressed his desire to play at Manchester United 3 years ago, it was the team he grew up supporting.

Money is not the way to sway a player who's heart lies at a club, he will not play the same as he does at another club, and please don't mention Gundogans "injury" as he said himself its internet speculation.

For the price of Vidal you could get Gundogan and nearly Carvalho combined, so Vidal just isn't realistic.

So let's just ask, would you prefer to have a world class Midfielder (singular), or a world class Midfield (Plural) for the same price? it's much harder to mark multiple world class players, but shutting one out of the game isn't too difficult.
 
If I could pick, I'd try and get a left-back to go into the first-team. I'm a fan of Filipe Luis, I think he'd be priced fairly, but the issue is his age here. Shaw would be most ideal.

I think we could also do with another defender that can cover a few roles. Like a young O'Shea type, as cover. I'll leave that to our scouts though.

In midfield I've warmed to the idea of Carvalho. I would take him and Kovacic if possible, which may not cost more than £50m combined.

A real direct winger/forward for the left who is capable of getting 20+ goals. If I could pick, Pedro would be a dream for this role. Fast runner with, and just as importantly, without the ball. Threatens in behind and a great finisher. I'd also consider Tello, who possesses similar qualities, although needs to be refined more.

I'd also look at integrating Varela, Keane and Powell into the squad. I'd take Pereira and Rothwell on tour too and see how they go.

The likes of Shaw, Kovacic, Carvalho, Pedro/Tello are all ready to contribute next season, but with massive scope to grow together too into a really top team.

If there was a chance of getting Vidal I would take it. Kroos is too slow for my liking although his quality is undeniable. He plays the game at walking pace.

I'd line up:

DDG

Rafael
Smalling
Jones/Evans
Shaw

Carvalho
Kovacic

Januzaj
Mata
Pedro

Rooney/Persie

That team would immediately increase speed and technical ability in the team, and strength in the middle.
 
Rozay said:
If I could pick, I'd try and get a left-back to go into the first-team. I'm a fan of Filipe Luis, I think he'd be priced fairly, but the issue is his age here. Shaw would be most ideal.

I think we could also do with another defender that can cover a few roles. Like a young O'Shea type, as cover. I'll leave that to our scouts though.

In midfield I've warmed to the idea of Carvalho. I would take him and Kovacic if possible, which may not cost more than £50m combined.

A real direct winger/forward for the left who is capable of getting 20+ goals. If I could pick, Pedro would be a dream for this role. Fast runner with, and just as importantly, without the ball. Threatens in behind and a great finisher. I'd also consider Tello, who possesses similar qualities, although needs to be refined more.

I'd also look at integrating Varela, Keane and Powell into the squad. I'd take Pereira and Rothwell on tour too and see how they go.

The likes of Shaw, Kovacic, Carvalho, Pedro/Tello are all ready to contribute next season, but with massive scope to grow together too into a really top team.

If there was a chance of getting Vidal I would take it. Kroos is too slow for my liking although his quality is undeniable. He plays the game at walking pace.

I'd line up:

DDG

Rafael
Smalling
Jones/Evans
Shaw

Carvalho
Kovacic

Januzaj
Mata
Pedro

Rooney/Persie

That team would immediately increase speed and technical ability in the team, and strength in the middle.
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Then Scholes, Pirlo & Xavi were too slow for you although they controlled a football match?

Also a highly rated defender is Ginter, he can play across the back four and as a CDM.
 
Dante said:
And yet Carvalho looks like one of the slowest players I've ever seen...
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That's because he's always in a good position he doesn't need to sprint, if Carvalho needs to cover ground urgently, he sprints.
 
Dante said:
And yet Carvalho looks like one of the slowest players I've ever seen...
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His black. That alone makes him faster than your average player lol. Unless his Obi Mikel's long lost brother.
 
What do we need?

- Two centre backs (Ferdinand and Vidic)
- Two full-backs (Evra and someone who can play LB/RB)
- Two central midfielders (Giggs retiring, Anderson leaving, Carrick aging)
- One winger (to replace Young)
 
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