Summer Transfer Window 2017

[redNATION]

This galactico obsession is really irritating. Let us nit forget Herrera, Bailly, Valencia were hardly a galactico signing so let us not term perisic, lacazatte, belotti all average. If anything this galactico approach has hardly been that good for us. If jose buys perisic then I will fully support him. He knows what we need , and he won't buy players for the sake of it.

You could say that about most managers, after all that's why they're in that position - they've shown the judgment to be entrusted with recruitment decisions. But even Jose's made some big mistakes, off the top of my head, I can think of Cuadrado, Salah, Filipe Luis, Coentrao at Real (this is players coming in, he's obviously made some questionable sales).

The problem with Perisic is the price - £30-35m, fine it's worth the risk, £40-50m+? We're getting into top-level talent territory, and Perisic definitely isnt in that class (and remember he's 28/29 so at his 'peak'); City got De Bruyne for £55m, and B Silva for £43m; Liverpool got Mane for £36m; Arsenal got Sanchez for £35m; all are/were young, and in Mane's case proven in our league; and could support their valuations with impressive seasons. It was only a few years ago that Dortmund sold Perisic for £6m to Wolfsburg because he was surplus to requirements.

You mention the galactico obsession, but that isn't really what this is about; the best players should be targeted, and they're normally labelled 'galacticos' due to Real's history. But that doesnt change the fact that they are the best players in the world, and if we as a club are looking to compete at the top level, we need a certain amount of these players in our starting 11, and we dont have a single world class player in attack, and signing Perisic wouldnt change that.

 

[Dave46]

Not the biggest fan of Perisic, but I'm slowly coming to terms with his transfer. If Jose needs a work horse to run up and down on the left, he is the man. Ok, so, he is 10-15 mil more expensive, that's like Rooney's one year salary. It's worth the risk.

 

[Dave46]

You could say that about most managers, after all that's why they're in that position - they've shown the judgment to be entrusted with recruitment decisions. But even Jose's made some big mistakes, off the top of my head, I can think of Cuadrado, Salah, Filipe Luis, Coentrao at Real (this is players coming in, he's obviously made some questionable sales).

The problem with Perisic is the price - £30-35m, fine it's worth the risk, £40-50m+? We're getting into top-level talent territory, and Perisic definitely isnt in that class (and remember he's 28/29 so at his 'peak'); City got De Bruyne for £55m, and B Silva for £43m; Liverpool got Mane for £36m; Arsenal got Sanchez for £35m; all are/were young, and in Mane's case proven in our league; and could support their valuations with impressive seasons. It was only a few years ago that Dortmund sold Perisic for £6m to Wolfsburg because he was surplus to requirements.

You mention the galactico obsession, but that isn't really what this is about; the best players should be targeted, and they're normally labelled 'galacticos' due to Real's history. But that doesnt change the fact that they are the best players in the world, and if we as a club are looking to compete at the top level, we need a certain amount of these players in our starting 11, and we dont have a single world class player in attack, and signing Perisic wouldnt change that.

Dortmund also bought Aubameyang and Miki a year later after Perisic left for 43 mil combined. Prices changed significantly.

 

[redNATION]

Dortmund also bought Aubameyang and Miki a year later after Perisic left for 43 mil combined. Prices changed significantly.

I think it was more £33m, with Mkhi making up the bulk of that as he was coming off an exceptional season with Shaktar. Which shows that to justify high valuations you generally have to back it up with substance, and I havent seen much of that from Perisic, having watched Serie A regularly. The player he tends to remind me of is Arda Turan, but he isnt as good as Turan, who won La Liga with Atleti, and Barca managed to get him for £28m, so I'm really not seeing where this inflated fee is coming from.

 

[Dave46]

I think it was more £33m, with Mkhi making up the bulk of that as he was coming off an exceptional season with Shaktar. Which shows that to justify high valuations you generally have to back it up with substance, and I havent seen much of that from Perisic, having watched Serie A regularly. The player he tends to remind me of is Arda Turan, but he isnt as good as Turan, who won La Liga with Atleti, and Barca managed to get him for £28m, so I'm really not seeing where this inflated fee is coming from.

27.5 for Miki and Auba was around 15.

 

[AshRK]

You could say that about most managers, after all that's why they're in that position - they've shown the judgment to be entrusted with recruitment decisions. But even Jose's made some big mistakes, off the top of my head, I can think of Cuadrado, Salah, Filipe Luis, Coentrao at Real (this is players coming in, he's obviously made some questionable sales).

The problem with Perisic is the price - £30-35m, fine it's worth the risk, £40-50m+? We're getting into top-level talent territory, and Perisic definitely isnt in that class (and remember he's 28/29 so at his 'peak'); City got De Bruyne for £55m, and B Silva for £43m; Liverpool got Mane for £36m; Arsenal got Sanchez for £35m; all are/were young, and in Mane's case proven in our league; and could support their valuations with impressive seasons. It was only a few years ago that Dortmund sold Perisic for £6m to Wolfsburg because he was surplus to requirements.

You mention the galactico obsession, but that isn't really what this is about; the best players should be targeted, and they're normally labelled 'galacticos' due to Real's history. But that doesnt change the fact that they are the best players in the world, and if we as a club are looking to compete at the top level, we need a certain amount of these players in our starting 11, and we dont have a single world class player in attack, and signing Perisic wouldnt change that.

If perisic gives us 10 to 15 goals and 5 to 10 assists then I am all for us to sign him. Jose won't be a fool to spend 40 odd million on a player , who he doesn't rate. I know he has had some questionable transfers in past but if he specifically choses perisic then there must be something in him. Yes age is one drawback but 28 is not that bad considering if he goes to have 3 or 4 top season for us then 40 odd million will look peanuts.

My point is galactico signings won't guarantee success. Yes world-class players are always welcome but sometimes we don't realise players potential until we observe them closely. Do you think we will complain if perisic scores in vital matches and helps us win trophies. Mkhi just did that, he may not have been that great but he contributed well and I can see him getting better in his second season.

Perisic may not do a bale or hazard but what he will do is do his job effectively and will not fuss or moan. If jose wants to be successful he needs right personal and not 11 galacticos who start throwing tauntrums when things get tough. There is a reason his inter side did so well, no primadonas , just a squad full of top professionals. We need more of that and in that process develop some young jewels like rashford, martial and gomes.

 

[redNATION]

27.5 for Miki and Auba was around 15.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/henrikh-mkhitaryan/profil/spieler/55735

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pierre-emerick-aubameyang/profil/spieler/58864

Both of these show around £24m for Mhki, and EUR13m for Auba, so around £33m in total.

 

[PoTMS]

How come there's more or less always 'Man Utd tax' but never 'Madrid tax' or 'Barcelona tax'? It seems like we're the one club they consistently gets ripped off.

 

[redNATION]

If perisic gives us 10 to 15 goals and 5 to 10 assists then I am all for us to sign him. Jose won't be a fool to spend 40 odd million on a player , who he doesn't rate. I know he has had some questionable transfers in past but if he specifically choses perisic then there must be something in him. Yes age is one drawback but 28 is not that bad considering if he goes to have 3 or 4 top season for us then 40 odd million will look peanuts.

My point is galactico signings won't guarantee success. Yes world-class players are always welcome but sometimes we don't realise players potential until we observe them closely. Do you think we will complain if perisic scores in vital matches and helps us win trophies. Mkhi just did that, he may not have been that great but he contributed well and I can see him getting better in his second season.

Perisic may not do a bale or hazard but what he will do is do his job effectively and will not fuss or moan. If jose wants to be successful he needs right personal and not 11 galacticos who start throwing tauntrums when things get tough. There is a reason his inter side did so well, no primadonas , just a squad full of top professionals. We need more of that and in that process develop some young jewels like rashford, martial and gomes.

He's going to have to give us considerably more than that, to justify the fee, given what Sanchez and Mane are doing for their clubs.

His Inter team is underrated, just because a player is world class doesnt make him a primadonna, that team had the likes of Toldo, Zanetti, Lucio, Motta, Etoo, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Samuel and Maicon - some of the best players in their respective positions at the time (lets not forget Mario and Quaresma, who very much were primadonnas). Very few in Utd's current 11 compare, and my point is Perisic wouldnt actually help us get any closer to that. The current Real team is pretty much a world class 11 (could debate the GK and Casemiro), and it shows - could win their 3rd CL in 4 years on Saturday.

 

[Raoul]

He's going to have to give us considerably more than that, to justify the fee, given what Sanchez and Mane are doing for their clubs.

His Inter team is underrated, just because a player is world class doesnt make him a primadonna, that team had the likes of Toldo, Zanetti, Lucio, Motta, Etoo, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Samuel and Maicon - some of the best players in their respective positions at the time (lets not forget Mario and Quaresma, who very much were primadonnas). Very few in Utd's current 11 compare, and my point is Perisic wouldnt actually help us get any closer to that. The current Real team is pretty much a world class 11 (could debate the GK and Casemiro), and it shows - could win their 3rd CL in 4 years on Saturday.

I think we're inflating the value of some of the Inter players. Many of the players you listed were well into their 30s and well past their prime. The only exception being Sneijder who was 26.

 

[NoPace]

You lot must have been suicidal in summer 2006 when we only got Carrick and Kuszczak.

Our squad is not awful. It is awful at finishing golden chances, which all things considered is a very fixable problem.

Have faith, we'll bring in some finishers and it'll go fine next year. Jose knows where the problems are. No need to panic.

I do think the most optimistic reading of the squad requires us signing only a CM and a 9, let's say Fabinho and Lacazette as they're the most rumoured at the moment, though we'd be banking on the young talent to produce and everyone to stay healthy. But on paper, this squad has a lot of talent:

----------------Lacazette/Rashford
Martial/Lingard---------Mkhitaryan/Mata
----Pogba/Fellaini--Herrera/Pereira-----
--------------Fabinho/Carrick-------------
Shaw/Blind-----------------Valencia/Darmian
---------Rojo/Jones--Bailly/Smalling---------
----------------De Gea/Romero---------------

and maybe Tuanzebe and Young around to cover defensive and wing injury crises, with Fosu-Mensah getting a proper loan season somewhere.

I'm not a Lingard fan, but either Mkhitaryan and Rashford can be the actual 2nd choice LW options with Mata able to play on the right if Mkhitaryan goes left. Similarly, I'd prefer a better CB than Rojo but he has played well this season and Blind has too.

Basically only a CM injury would be real problematic. The other backups are pretty decent. Hopefully we get lucky on that this year then maybe just let Carrick retire and sell Fellaini, buy a proper CM and have 4 guys (+ Pereira and all the #10 options) for the 3 spots since Herrera and Fabinho are both comfortable deep or box-to-box.

 

[Dave46]

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/henrikh-mkhitaryan/profil/spieler/55735

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pierre-emerick-aubameyang/profil/spieler/58864

Both of these show around £24m for Mhki, and EUR13m for Auba, so around £33m in total.

I meant in Euros.

 

[ti vu]

How come there's more or less always 'Man Utd tax' but never 'Madrid tax' or 'Barcelona tax'? It seems like we're the one club they consistently gets ripped off.

Because there are more clubs in PL who can match our bid, then the narrative about weather in Manchester.

 

[Hanky panky]

----------------Lacazette/Rashford
Martial/Lingard---------Mkhitaryan/Mata
----Pogba/Fellaini--Herrera/Pereira-----
--------------Fabinho/Carrick-------------
Shaw/Blind-----------------Valencia/Darmian
---------Rojo/Jones--Bailly/Smalling---------
----------------De Gea/Romero---------------

This isn't good enough. Lacazette would go par with Zlatan. Fabinho would strength squad a little bit. You can fight for Wenger trophy with this team. It's only slightly better than last season. I think this team need one more attacking player, only striker is not enough. Griezmann, Sanchez, James or some other very good player, game winner.

------------Aubameyang---------------
Sanchez--------------------Mkhitaryan
--------Pogba--------Herrera----------
--------------Fabinho---------------
Shaw/LB-----------------Valencia
--------Rojo/CB-----Bailly
--------------DDG-----------------

 

[bucky]

Andre Silva, James, Lemar, Fabinho, Ricardo Pereira and a CB would be a very good summer, I think.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Perisic, Lukaku, Dier, Keane, and keep Griezmann's position open for next summer, not what I want, but we'd be a pig to play against, and would likely win something.

Only outs - Young, Rooney, and Januzaj.

 

[AshRK]

This isn't good enough. Lacazette would go par with Zlatan. Fabinho would strength squad a little bit. You can fight for Wenger trophy with this team. It's only slightly better than last season. I think this team need one more attacking player, only striker is not enough. Griezmann, Sanchez, James or some other very good player, game winner.

------------Aubameyang---------------
Sanchez--------------------Mkhitaryan
--------Pogba--------Herrera----------
--------------Fabinho---------------
Shaw/LB-----------------Valencia
--------Rojo/CB-----Bailly
--------------DDG-----------------

Mate you are playing too much of fifa.Not saying your team is bad, I would bite my hands and take it but it will he really tough to bring Sanchez and Auba is going to psg. And again no guarantee if jose is after those players.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

The reality is we have the players, we needed some squad depth this season, but if we don't improve the squad from last season then it is simply mourinho that needs to improve

 

[Hanky panky]

Mate you are playing too much of fifa.Not saying your team is bad, I would bite my hands and take it but it will he really tough to bring Sanchez and Auba is going to psg. And again no guarantee if jose is after those players.

I dont say we have to sign exactly those players but if we want to win something BIG, we simply can't do that only with players like Perisic, Keane and Lacazette. We need players like Griezmann, Sanchez, Auba, Rodriguez etc etc. Game changers. So i still say, it's not enough if we sign one attacker who goes par with Zlatan. Real, Bayern, Barca and even Juve are far ahead of us. And last year Chelsea were too. If we are aiming to top of the Europe, signings should be from top of the Europe too. Griezmann is but we were bit unlucky this time. If we just keep our level, we are still same far behind of those top teams. Which really should not be enough to club or fans.

I would be dissapointed to Keane, Fabinho, Perisic and Lacazette. Two squad players, <20 goals attacker and Fabinho.

 

[Dong Fangzhuo]

Andre Silva, James, Lemar, Fabinho, Ricardo Pereira and a CB would be a very good summer, I think.

Funny, I was just thinking about possible striker targets and wondering why he doesn't get a mention. Did he have a poor second half of the season or something? I remember him being quite hyped earlier this year and with us supposedly focusing on a #9 and him being portuguese it seems like the easiest 2+2=5 a journo could make now.

 

[Silas]

I would be dissapointed to Keane, Fabinho, Perisic and Lacazette. Two squad players, <20 goals attacker and Fabinho.

Lacazette only scored three less goals than Aubameyang in a much worse team this season. I don't think there's that much between them.

 

[El-Manos]

I feel Griezmann would have made the difference between having an excellent summer transfer window or an average one, however I'm in a positive vibe today and would like to reassess the options.

If we end up signing Mendy, Lindeloff, Fabinho and Lacazette, we would have done fairly well to be honest. Although I am afraid it will be more along the lines of Perisic, Keane, Belotti. None of which are bad players however, not exactly the type of players we should pursue considering our severe lack of quality in certain areas.

 

[Macern]

I feel Griezmann would have made the difference between having an excellent summer transfer window or an average one, however I'm in a positive vibe today and would like to reassess the options.

If we end up signing Mendy, Lindeloff, Fabinho and Lacazette, we would have done fairly well to be honest. Although I am afraid it will be more along the lines of Perisic, Keane, Belotti. None of which are bad players however, not exactly the type of players we should pursue considering our severe lack of quality in certain areas.

Three defensive players and one striker inferior to Zlatan isn't going to solve anything unfortunately. We need attackers first and foremost. We need goal threats from multiple positions.

If we end up signing Bale then this window might end up successful.

 

[bucky]

Funny, I was just thinking about possible striker targets and wondering why he doesn't get a mention. Did he have a poor second half of the season or something? I remember him being quite hyped earlier this year and with us supposedly focusing on a #9 and him being portuguese it seems like the easiest 2+2=5 a journo could make now.

He lost his starting place and form in the second half. Not sure which of those two reasons caused the other to be honest. His replacement Soares wasn't that much better I thought. I am actually surprised as well that we haven't been linked, he looks like the sort of striker Mourinho would like. He'd be a gamble, but I think rotating him with Martial and Rashford would make a lot sense. I'm fairly sure Pogba is going to score more goals next season and I think that we will get a winger or attacking midfielder that will provide enough goals that we aren't as reliant one player in that regard. Kinda like our 2006/07 season hopefully.

 

[El-Manos]

Three defensive players and one striker inferior to Zlatan isn't going to solve anything unfortunately. We need attackers first and foremost. We need goal threats from multiple positions.

If we end up signing Bale then this window might end up successful.

If it wasn't for his recent injuries, he would be absolutely perfect.

 

[ovoxo]

Even though Bale is a huge risk in my opinion, and the rumours don't really bother me, a summer of:

Mendy
Keane/Lindelof
Fabinho
Lacazette
Bale

Wouldn't be at all terrible. I assume any deal for Bale will mean De Gea goes, so perhaps we bring in a young Goalkeeper to get used to the league whilst Romero starts. Someone like Donnarumma.

 

[Dong Fangzhuo]

He lost his starting place and form in the second half. Not sure which of those two reasons caused the other to be honest. His replacement Soares wasn't that much better I thought. I am actually surprised as well that we haven't been linked, he looks like the sort of striker Mourinho would like. He'd be a gamble, but I think rotating him with Martial and Rashford would make a lot sense. I'm fairly sure Pogba is going to score more goals next season and I think that we will get a winger or attacking midfielder that will provide enough goals that we aren't as reliant one player in that regard. Kinda like our 2006/07 season hopefully.

I think the attacking midfielder is the key signing, along with a DM to free up Pogba. This isn't a great summer to be needing a starting XI quality striker so going for potential (like Silva for ex) or a older experienced stopgap (no idea who?) would be my preference over spending massive amounts on Lukaku/Bellotti.

 

[AgentP]

I think the attacking midfielder is the key signing, along with a DM to free up Pogba. This isn't a great summer to be needing a starting XI quality striker so going for potential (like Silva for ex) or a older experienced stopgap (no idea who?) would be my preference over spending massive amounts on Lukaku/Bellotti.

I'm confused. You want a DM and an attacking midfielder. That means you want us to play 4231. So what about Herrera? Surely he has to start after his performance this season.

 

[bucky]

I think the attacking midfielder is the key signing, along with a DM to free up Pogba. This isn't a great summer to be needing a starting XI quality striker so going for potential (like Silva for ex) or a older experienced stopgap (no idea who?) would be my preference over spending massive amounts on Lukaku/Bellotti.

Yeah, that's the way I see it, too.

I'm confused. You want a DM and an attacking midfielder. That means you want us to play 4231. So what about Herrera? Surely he has to start after his performance this season.

We could use both formations like we did last season. 4-2-3-1 against the minnows and 4-3-3 against the better teams. James or Griezmann could play on the right in a 4-3-3 and drift inside.

 

[Magnus]

Ddg
Valencia Bailly Lindelöf Shaw
Bale Fabinho Pogba Martial
Rashford Lukaku

Think it would be an entertaining side to watch and think it is realistic us getting those signings

 

[DomesticTadpole]

16:05
Inter up to mischief over Perisic?
More Perisic palaver: Gazzetta dello Sport claims City, Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain are keen on signing the Internazionale winger. That comes after the same outlet said United were willing to raise their offer.

It’s almost as if Inter are trying to smoke out a bidder and are fabricating interest in Perisic. He’s decent, but he is hardly coveted across the continent and there is definitely no interest from City.

 

[Devil81]

Why are people so negative about Perisic? he's a fantastic footballer.

 

[izec]

City and Bayern

 

[AndyJ1985]

16:05
Inter up to mischief over Perisic?
More Perisic palaver: Gazzetta dello Sport claims City, Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain are keen on signing the Internazionale winger. That comes after the same outlet said United were willing to raise their offer.

It’s almost as if Inter are trying to smoke out a bidder and are fabricating interest in Perisic. He’s decent, but he is hardly coveted across the continent and there is definitely no interest from City.

I guess they didn't get the interest they were hoping for after using United's name, so they added a few other clubs. What next, Real Madrid and Barcelona set to swoop in?

 

[El-Manos]

Why are people so negative about Perisic? he's a fantastic footballer.

Quite the overstatement. Were you claiming this before we were linked to him as well? He was barely deemed good enough for Dortmund (and yes I am aware he had a falling out with Klopp), he was a good player for Brugge back in the day and now for Inter who finished seventh in the Serie a. He would be a useful signing not a fantastic one however and in truth, we should be aiming for better.

 

[Devil81]

Quite the overstatement. Were you claiming this before we were linked to him as well? He was barely deemed good enough for Dortmund (and yes I am aware he had a falling out with Klopp), he was a good player for Brugge back in the day and now for Inter who finished seventh in the Serie a. He would be a useful signing not a fantastic one however and in truth, we should be aiming for better.

I'm not going to trawl back through my old posts but I was highly praising Perisic during the Euro's.

He's always impressed me. I certainly wouldn't be putting up laughing smileys when talking about him. He'd be a good signing.

 

[United Pro]

Why are people so negative about Perisic? he's a fantastic footballer.

It's more to do with the price. I think most would be okay with paying around £30m for him, but the price quoted for him is around £45-50m, which is simply absurd.

 

[Devil81]

It's more to do with the price. I think most would be okay with paying around £30m for him, but the price quoted for him is around £45-50m, which is simply absurd.

It's not their money, why on earth do people care!!

Not every signing is going to be a galactico, you've gotta have a certain number of foot soldiers.

 

[An Irish Red]

Why are people so negative about Perisic? he's a fantastic footballer.

He's really not though. He's decent at best and we've already got too many players like that.

 

[Dong Fangzhuo]

I'm confused. You want a DM and an attacking midfielder. That means you want us to play 4231. So what about Herrera? Surely he has to start after his performance this season.

By attacking mid I mean someone to play in the band of three behind the striker, could be either wing or CAM, I think we have a lot of flexibility in that regard considering the players we already have. I'd prefer a RW and play 433 as Pogba won't be freed up in a 4231. Like the striker position, it feels like there aren't a ton of great options out there for AM either. with Griezmann and Silva out of the picture.