Summer Transfer Tweets 2016

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Von Mistelroum said:
Desperate predictions? Do you really presume that United fans want their players to do badly? I'd be over the moon if Valencia turned out to be fantastic this season. I just do not see it happening. He's a good converted winger who can tackle and do a job at RB, but if he's targeted he'll make errors and cost us points. This is my opinion and only time will tell whether I'm correct, but I sincerely hope I'm not.

I did say 'If' Mourinho's looking at buying. There have been many reports and it seems likely that it's an area he's looked into at least but again, only time will tell.
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He's been at right back for 2 seasons now. He has done well enough to win over two managers. I'm sure the issue of him being targeted will likely have been thought by the managerial braintrust of the various league managers. Yet he has coped more than enough with them.

I predict he'll do well again. Like he has been doing since his conversion . Based on how he's done I'd wager that this will be a safer bet.

He won't be fautless. None of our defense will be. Mistakes last season by the likes Smalling and De Gea prove that npne are infallible. But for the most times,he will be dependable. Just like he has been over those two seasons .

So your entire argument is based on a filmsy and tenous links to players that contradicts everything else our manager has gone in record saying. That hardly stands up to scrutiny.
 
Jironasaurus said:
Can't really use that argument though. Rooney has also survived every managerial change. Does that mean Rooney is performing excellently? Nope. As someone who vehemently doesn't think Valencia is good enough for RB (and Manchester United itself), I can only say that this season, he has not been caught out yet. Early days though. Only 2 games so far.
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That's a weak argument though.

Just because Rooney and Valencia have both survived two managerial changes doesn't mean their situations are comparable at all. That is just falling prey to easy generalisation.

He will make mistakes. So will Smalling. So will Blind. So will De Gea. So will Shaw. But more often than not,they will be dependable . Just like Tony.

I'd rather not bother with your thoughts on whether you think he is good enough to be a United player or not. That's an entirely separate issue all together. 250 appearances later and I'm sure to the vast majority he has .
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
That's a crazy price for him isn't it?
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Yup. He was supposedly one of the better CBs in Serie A, but that good? Nah. You could probably try and pry somebody like properly established, like Bonucci or an excellent young talent like Gimenez.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yup. He was supposedly one of the better CBs in Serie A, but that good? Nah. You could probably try and pry somebody like properly established, like Bonucci or an excellent young talent like Gimenez.
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I read a few weeks ago that prices of £40m for Koulibaly were more normal, if not a little over the odds. So not sure how it's reached £60m. But I guess the foreign clubs know the level of money knocking about the Premier League.
 
K2K said:
That's a weak argument though.

Just because Rooney and Valencia have both survived two managerial changes doesn't mean their situations are comparable at all. That is just falling prey to easy generalisation.

He will make mistakes. So will Smalling. So will Blind. So will De Gea. So will Shaw. But more often than not,they will be dependable . Just like Tony.

I'd rather not bother with your thoughts on whether you think he is good enough to be a United player or not. That's an entirely separate issue all together. 250 appearances later and I'm sure to the vast majority he has .
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Pray tell. How are their situations not comparable then?

To be very fair to the guy, everyone will make mistakes. It's not the mistakes that's the issue though.

As for your so-called vast majority, that's probably something we'll never find out unless we can poll every United fan out there. All I can say is, just from reading this forum... I know I'm not the only one with the opinion that Valencia is just not RB material.
 
I would have laughed at that article, but it's it's Jason Burt.

£60M is mental. I like Bailly at around £30M very much right now.
 
Is this another Conte fetish? Didn't he reportedly fall out with the Juventus board for not getting cuadrado :lol:

They can just hijack mustafi for half the price.
 
He's plucked that number out of his arse so i didn't post it. No way will he cost that much.
 
Jironasaurus said:
Pray tell. How are their situations not comparable then?

To be very fair to the guy, everyone will make mistakes. It's not the mistakes that's the issue though.

As for your so-called vast majority, that's probably something we'll never find out unless we can poll every United fan out there. All I can say is, just from reading this forum... I know I'm not the only one with the opinion that Valencia is just not RB material.
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How are they similar other than them both surviving two managerial reigns?

For such a ludicrous claim surely the onus of proof should be be on you who brought it up.

Their standings within the club for example make this situation differ. Another would be that under neither manager Valencia wasn't a guaranteed starter unlike his supposed comparison that would always play. Those are just two of the differences. Now what thought provoking suggestions then make this two situations comparable? It can't be just that they both survived two managerial reigns as that isn't much of an argument .

Of course you are not the only one. But we can say that of every player here. It was starting with Martial just a few weeks ago.
 
The Stain said:
He's plucked that number out of his arse so i didn't post it. No way will he cost that much.
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Well initial fees reported started at around £40m and nothing has progressed. De Laurentis drives a very hard bargain so I wouldn't be surprised if the number is accurate.
 
I guess they dont care how much they spend on him, he is Conte's number one CB target. He is good, not 60m good, but still a very good CB, better than what they have obviously.
 
M Bison said:
He's missed the boat now, had Rash not performed so well last season he'd possibly be in with a shout but like you, I think it's time he moved on.
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Agree with the first part. Don't think he would've been in with a shout even if Rashford hadn't been performing to be honest.

For me, he hasn't shown anything that suggests that he can cut it at the top level at the moment. Being a speed merchant will only get you so far, and from what I've seen his technical quality outside the box is not good enough to be able to break into a top team. Would probably be better off going to a championship club, developing and establishing himself there before going for a PL club.
 
Koulibaly is a better version of zouma if you like. Arguably one of the best cb in serie A. It's a hell of a fee but if Stones is worth 47.5 then Koulibaly is worth 60. He's much better
 
M Bison said:
He's missed the boat now, had Rash not performed so well last season he'd possibly be in with a shout but like you, I think it's time he moved on.
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The fact that someone else performing better presumably got in his way highlights that he isn't good enough.
 
salford_ said:
if Stones is worth 47.5 then Koulibaly is worth 60.
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Stones isn't though. But I agree in that, Koulibaly is the better defender. But if he is moved for anything near £60m, that's just daylight robbery. I mean, Umtiti was shifted for around £22m, so it's not like there wasn't players available for decent fees in this market.
 
Don't care how much he costs to be honest. We're desperate for a CB who's very comfortable on the ball and can cover ground. He's massive (6'5") physically dominant but is also super athletic like Zouma.

If we stick with a back 4, a CB partnership of Zouma & Koulibaly who are both freaks of nature and Kante sitting just in front of them will be fantastic. Teams will have a hell of a time getting through. With Cristensen (one of the best CB's in Germany last season) comes back from loan next summer Conte will be able to play his preferred back 3.

Still need another fullback, though...:nervous:
 
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Fulham would be the right team for him. I'd rather he player as a lone striker than in a strike partnership at Derby. Still needs to keep his options open and play anywhere on the pitch to gain experience. Should try playing on the wing as an inside forward like he did before he moved to being a striker.
 
K2K said:
We have rattled the market .

This is the new normal.

I fear for Wenger now he never wants to part his money.
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The premiership in general I think has rattled the market. CLubs are acting like a teenager getting his first monthly wage packet and pissing most of it up a wall within a few hours.
 
Orc said:
If we stick with a back 4, a CB partnership of Zouma & Koulibaly who are both freaks of nature and Kante sitting just in front of them will be fantastic. Teams will have a hell of a time getting through. With Cristensen (one of the best CB's in Germany last season) comes back from loan next summer Conte will be able to play his preferred back 3.
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Monchengladbach were trying quite hard to push through a deal to sign him permanently this summer I think. Surely you'll keep him though?
 
K2K said:
He's been at right back for 2 seasons now. He has done well enough to win over two managers. I'm sure the issue of him being targeted will likely have been thought by the managerial braintrust of the various league managers. Yet he has coped more than enough with them.

I predict he'll do well again. Like he has been doing since his conversion . Based on how he's done I'd wager that this will be a safer bet.

He won't be fautless. None of our defense will be. Mistakes last season by the likes Smalling and De Gea prove that npne are infallible. But for the most times,he will be dependable. Just like he has been over those two seasons .

So your entire argument is based on a filmsy and tenous links to players that contradicts everything else our manager has gone in record saying. That hardly stands up to scrutiny.
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By "your entire argument" do you mean my opinion about Valencia? You seem quite upset about this.....are you related to him? He has played as a right back (in fits and starts) for a while now, and he has been found wanting on occasion, been moved back and forth between midfield and has been fairly decent in either position. No arguments there, I simply do not see him as a top RB player and if we can get one, my opinion is that we should. It wasn't even a controversial opinion until he played well in a couple of matches in recent weeks.

Darmian played more as our RB last season but started to look shit under Van Gaal, we didn't have many other options to be fair.
 
Orc said:
Don't care how much he costs to be honest. We're desperate for a CB who's very comfortable on the ball and can cover ground. He's massive (6'5") physically dominant but is also super athletic like Zouma.

If we stick with a back 4, a CB partnership of Zouma & Koulibaly who are both freaks of nature and Kante sitting just in front of them will be fantastic. Teams will have a hell of a time getting through. With Cristensen (one of the best CB's in Germany last season) comes back from loan next summer Conte will be able to play his preferred back 3.

Still need another fullback, though...:nervous:
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He is a very good defender from what I have seen, I don't know why his height keeps coming up as 6'5 on the internet he is about 6'1 if you look at picures of him.
 
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I asked him if they're reliable and he said; "yes, it's generally good for Gremio and Internacional".
 
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