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Summer Transfer Tweets 2016
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a very astute signing IMO. Hes perfect for the english league.
I like Janssen, be interesting how much game time he gets though or will Poch change his system?
To play for Manchester United, or to have a good career elsewhere if they don't. Why would a young player care how deals are done between clubs selling or buying them?
Don't think adding a sell on clause will be an issue at all to be honest. We sell players at ridiculously low rates, if they are surplus to our requirements, they will have their choice of which clubs to sign for
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So, let me get this straight. You want United to pay these young players money on youth-contracts to develop into decent footballers as some kind of service to the community, without expecting anything in return?
Or is it the general sell-on-fee clause you disagree with?
Hope Jansen does well, Holland need some talent to pull though
I remember the last time someone cost £18.6m
Carrick?
Yeah. Everyone was laughing at us back then, and look how that turned out.
Another one out
Joe Rothwell is the latest United youngster to leave Old Trafford today after he signed a two-year deal at Oxford. The 21-year-old was on the bench once last season but never made a first team appearance.
Joe Rothwell is the latest United youngster to leave Old Trafford today after he signed a two-year deal at Oxford. The 21-year-old was on the bench once last season but never made a first team appearance.
Firstly I think the whole point of football is to provide opportunities for young men to make something of themselves. I think that's the prime objective.To play for Manchester United, or to have a good career elsewhere if they don't. Why would a young player care how deals are done between clubs selling or buying them?
Everything else is subordinate to that idea.
Also if we decide to sell a young player we paid nothing for in the first place, we do so in good faith. If we receive a fee for the transfer, that should suffice. We just need to be careful about doing due diligence before we sell and give proper opportunities to young players. That's in our own best interest.
If that's actually the case I can't really argue. I probably just have an issue with hedging our bets. I'd prefer us to be decisive. We don't really want to be selling young players that will eventually go on to command a large fee anyway.
Yes. It's the sell-on clause I disagree with. With respect to community service, well I think we're compelled to field youth teams anyway so it's a requirement as much as anything else.
I feel like Pogba will just stay at juve for another year and have a slight pay increase.
Wouldn't be devastated with that.
Just one other thing, it's funny you should refer to community service and expecting something in return at a time when we're planning to spend 100 millions on a player we once had on our books. We practically gave him away because we weren't prepared to give him opportunity.
Shame. Would like to see some buy back clauses on some of these players as you never know.
The point of the sell-on is that it is absolutely fair enough for us to consider that a promising young player is perhaps not quite good enough to make it at United, but could still easily be good enough to do well at the premier league level, say. These days that could make the player worth around £20m, and that's only going upwards - look at the kind of offers being made for Michael Keane and Robbie Brady only a few years after leaving us. Chester went for - what - £9m? Surely it would be no huge issue for a club like Hull if they had bought him for £1m, sold him for £9m but had to pay us £2m-£3m, say.
Including a sell-on actually makes it easier for us to sell the player when it is in their own best interests to get regular game time. The buying club can risk a relatively low amount to get the player (say somewhere between £1m and £3m), and including (say) a 25% sell-on clause or even higher is not likely to be a huge issue for them; if the lad goes on to be a big player they will get the benefit of that and probably sell him on at enough of a profit to still get a significant slice. United also get paid a reasonable amount for our own part of his development, which is likely to be significant, and all parties win. If we don't have the sell-on then we would either end up asking for a fee that the buying club may not want to pay or the player might stagnate, not getting enough playing time or being pitched about on loan. Or, we simply look foolish for not taking a stake in the player's future, and lose money.
Including a sell-on actually makes it easier for us to sell the player when it is in their own best interests to get regular game time. The buying club can risk a relatively low amount to get the player (say somewhere between £1m and £3m), and including (say) a 25% sell-on clause or even higher is not likely to be a huge issue for them; if the lad goes on to be a big player they will get the benefit of that and probably sell him on at enough of a profit to still get a significant slice. United also get paid a reasonable amount for our own part of his development, which is likely to be significant, and all parties win. If we don't have the sell-on then we would either end up asking for a fee that the buying club may not want to pay or the player might stagnate, not getting enough playing time or being pitched about on loan. Or, we simply look foolish for not taking a stake in the player's future, and lose money.
Well that's reasonable.
Mundo Deportivo: Real are activating "Plan B" after Pogba, which is Andre Gomes. Valencia are apparently asking for €65m.
surely, we must be in this if they have to go 'plan b'. when was the last time they went plan b?
65 million for Andre Gomes ... Insane
In all fairness, the conversation probably looked similar to:
Zidane: He would be a driving force in the midfield.
Perez: Can he sell jerseys?
Zidane: Im sure fans will buy his jersey, but more importantly he has the potential to be an elite midfielder.
Perez: That is fantastic, but can he sell LOTS of jerseys?
Oh, i agree at the irony of buying Pogba back at 100m. Though that would be poor player management coming back to bite our ass. Wouldn't be too relevant as far as the sell-on-clause discussion goes. We lost him because we didn't give him enough chances, and his contract ran out. Noone but ourselves to blame.
As far as the sell-on-clause discussion, i'll just refer to @sincher who in his post above sum up my toughts quite nicely. It's a win-win solution.
Valencia are offering him everywhere.He has quality but he's not a 65 m€ player.Obviously if United want to pay double of that for Pogba then it's reasonable to increase the price for any midfielder.
I would go for Kante to cover the CDM position using Isco if Kroos/Modric need rest
I would go for Kante to cover the CDM position using Isco if Kroos/Modric need rest
Or Juve are keeping him...
Sure, we're obliged to field youth teams. But hardly to pay wages, invest in state of the art training grounds etc etc. Hence,when we do, it is an investment in youth which from a business perspective( and lets be honest, United is more of a business now than any of us want it to be), only makes sense if it produces something in the other end, either in terms of first team players, or in terms of generating positive cash-flow.
Yeah, the way sincher explains it sounds reasonable to me. There's been enough said about Pogba disaster, so I won't bore you with my thoughts on that subject.
It would be ideal if we looked to the youth team and found players ready to step up every time a position in the first team became available, and never had to delve into the transfer market at all. I'm dreaming, I know. But imagine how dominant we'd become if we ever attain that utopian position.
If we are going to get back amongst the true elite we absolutely have to have at least 3 or 4 top quality players come through from the youth teams.
Conspiracy theory time: Madrid aren't in it imo. I don't think Zidane wants him, he isn't the right type of "galactico's" and this is just to placate the fans. The stature of the club dictates they must compete for every top player in existence so even if they're not interested they have to pretend like they are
I refuse to believe Madrid are being priced out. If they want him they'll get him.
More money than sense, Negrado is so average
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