Summer Transfer Budget?

Jericholyte2

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So this is based on some…optimistic assumptions:
  • Rashford does well enough for Villa to trigger his buy clause
  • Sancho will help Chelsea get to a position where we get ~30m
  • Antony does well for Betis (was POTM on his debut so fingers crossed) so they make a bid
  • Casemiro is sold
  • Malacia apparently has a buy option for PSV
Based on the above we should have ~£100m from transfer sales. Then factor in the potential >£1m per week (FFS) wages and we should have plenty of PSR room for transfers.

Does anyone have the requisite accounting knowledge to figure any decent numbers up?
 
Based on our cash flow issues alongside the PSR perspective I would be wary of believing that we will be reinvesting all incoming funds back into the transfer market. My best guess would be maybe one significant fee for a position of need such as striker and then 2 or 3 smaller deals targeted at Dorgu like players that we feel we can develop into what Amorim is looking for.
 
Rashford buy is an option right? Not an obligation .

Sancho will give us 25m.

Antony & Malacia will be under 5 million max.

I have no hopes that Casemiro will get us anything. Even Saudi clubs are now spending carefully.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
So this is based on some…optimistic assumptions:
  • Rashford does well enough for Villa to trigger his buy clause
  • Sancho will help Chelsea get to a position where we get ~30m
  • Antony does well for Betis (was POTM on his debut so fingers crossed) so they make a bid
  • Casemiro is sold
  • Malacia apparently has a buy option for PSV
Based on the above we should have ~£100m from transfer sales. Then factor in the potential >£1m per week (FFS) wages and we should have plenty of PSR room for transfers.

Does anyone have the requisite accounting knowledge to figure any decent numbers up?
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1. Rashford's interview clearly shows that he has no intention of moving to Villa permanently.
2. Sancho's best case scenerio is £24m and that's if chelsea won the league.
3. Betis' all time record transfer is £20m....
4. Nobody wants to touch Case, not even Saudi.
5. Malacia's buy option will be at best £5-£7m.
 
Gandalf said:
Based on our cash flow issues alongside the PSR perspective I would be wary of believing that we will be reinvesting all incoming funds back into the transfer market. My best guess would be maybe one significant fee for a position of need such as striker and then 2 or 3 smaller deals targeted at Dorgu like players that we feel we can develop into what Amorim is looking for.
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Even that would cost 100m+
 
Can the owners write off any of the debt like Nottingham Forest did? They should be exploring every legitimate way to get the books in order and doing it.
 
Don't Adidas invoke a 10m penalty clause if you don't make CL?
 
We already owe £319m to other clubs in transfer debt, with at least £154m due to be paid within a year.

I can't see us having a huge budget this summer unless we sell some players for big fees.
 
friendlytramp said:
I think, like Quenda, we already have our summer signings agreed
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Like Mathys Tel, "agreed" doesnt really mean anything. We need them here holding the shirt up.

As for summer transfer budget, more of the same as this one for me. We're not suddenly finding the money and if we sell we've got to replace AND add. So it's a neverending merry-go-round but every cycle round you go through a waterfall of runny shit.
 
FootballHQ said:
Don't Adidas invoke a 10m penalty clause if you don't make CL?
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The original Adidas contract had a significant reduction if we missed out on CL two years in a row, I believe. Not sure if a similar clause was included in the new contract the club negotiated with them though.
 
I’d be looking to shift Rashford, Zirkzee, Hjolund, Casemiro, Garnacho, Dalot, Malacia, Maguire, Onana, Mount. From that group surely we can raise 200-250m in top of potentially having 150m already allocated to budget. It would need to be a Chelsea like summer spending spree just targeting the best players we can to build a new 11 almost from scratch. It sounds extreme but I don’t think half way house approach of buying 2-3 players is going to cut it otherwise we’ll be in the same place next season. The squad needs a complete rebuild.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
IMO cash flow is going to be a much bigger problem than PSR
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Yep, the terms of the Zirkzee deal where we paid more than his release clause to be able to spread the fee across 3 years demonstrates how cash poor we were last summer. Our probable failure to qualify for any kind of European football next year allied to our continuing inability to shift some of our overpaid dregs will just stress the finances further.
 
Antony wont be sold this summer because i don't think we will get a fee that makes us breakeven in terms of PSR. Rashford maybe has an outside chance of leaving in the summer for £40m but i can see the fee being closer to £25-30m given he will still be demanding huge wages. Casemiro is a mix of antony and rashford in the sense we need to breakeven on PSR with him but also his high wages will cause issues, i can see him being loaned out. Lindelof/Evans/Eriksen frees up some decent wages, sancho should be fully off of our books also. We will have money to spend i feel but at the same time i can see a few sales, i can see one eye being on shaw/mount if there injury record doesnt improve before the summer.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
We already owe £319m to other clubs in transfer debt, with at least £154m due to be paid within a year.

I can't see us having a huge budget this summer unless we sell some players for big fees.
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Yup, and then there's the enormous elephant in the room of a large portion of the club debt coming due in 2027, meaning it will have to be either paid off (unlikely) or refinanced at significantly higher rates.
 
bond19821982 said:
Rashford buy is an option right? Not an obligation .

Sancho will give us 25m.

Antony & Malacia will be under 5 million max.

I have no hopes that Casemiro will get us anything. Even Saudi clubs are now spending carefully.
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Antony under 5m? No chance. We get at least 15/20m if he has a decent second half to the season. He’s still a young player.
 
I'd say definitely enough two first teamer starters, striker and wing-back probably

then with sales enough for one or two more
 
MikeUpNorth said:
We already owe £319m to other clubs in transfer debt, with at least £154m due to be paid within a year.

I can't see us having a huge budget this summer unless we sell some players for big fees.
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Big Ben Foster said:
Yup, and then there's the enormous elephant in the room of a large portion of the club debt coming due in 2027, meaning it will have to be either paid off (unlikely) or refinanced at significantly higher rates.
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This is actually beyond depressing.
 
Who is likely to leave?

I know Lindelof is out of contract, for example. They’ll want the ones mentioned (Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Antony, Malcia) gone

Should be clearing some space you’d think
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Yup, and then there's the enormous elephant in the room of a large portion of the club debt coming due in 2027, meaning it will have to be either paid off (unlikely) or refinanced at significantly higher rates.
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So you're saying we're the meme with the dog in the house on fire saying Everythings Fine
 
Tarrou said:
I'd say definitely enough two first teamer starters, striker and wing-back probably

then with sales enough for one or two more
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The next ST we sign needs to be the right signing. That’s the most important signing for us in the summer to make this system work and us look better. We’ve already got the LWB sorted. Are we going to sign a RWB? Wouldn’t that mean we’re selling Dalot. I’d say we need another LCB more than a RWB.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Yup, and then there's the enormous elephant in the room of a large portion of the club debt coming due in 2027, meaning it will have to be either paid off (unlikely) or refinanced at significantly higher rates.
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This is the reason I think the Glazers might just sell up in the next couple of years. The club is nearly on its knees financially, refinancing the debt will be more expensive given where interest rates are. I can’t see how they can make do without a seriously rich / state backed owner coming in.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Who is likely to leave?

I know Lindelof is out of contract, for example. They’ll want the ones mentioned (Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Antony, Malcia) gone

Should be clearing some space you’d think
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Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans and Heaton are the ones out of contract and I can’t imagine any of them will get a new deal.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
IMO cash flow is going to be a much bigger problem than PSR
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Indeed. Worth remembering that United will spend £154m on transfers this year, even if they don't sign a single player in the summer window (and that figure is pre-Dorgu). We still owe a small fortune in fees for players we've already purchased (most of whom, frustratingly, haven't worked out and have very little resale value).

I'm expecting a quieter summer than we've had in recent years in terms of incomings, especially if we fail to qualify for European football of any kind. We need to tighten our belts further, have a couple of lean years in terms transfer spend, bring the wage bill and annual amortisation cost down and clear some of the outstanding balance of payments on previous transfers.
 
Infra-red said:
Indeed. Worth remembering that United will spend £154m on transfers this year, even if they don't sign a single player in the summer window (and that figure is pre-Dorgu). We still owe a small fortune in fees for players we've already purchased (most of whom, frustratingly, haven't worked out and have very little resale value).

I'm expecting a quieter summer than we've had in recent years in terms of incomings, especially if we fail to qualify for European football of any kind. We need to tighten our belts further, have a couple of lean years in terms transfer spend, bring the wage bill and annual amortisation cost down and clear some of the outstanding balance of payments on previous transfers.
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Either that or we can sell the car park to SJR for 800M. I can't believe our proud British owner is going to be outspent by an American upstart like Boehly!
 
redNATION said:
I’d be looking to shift Rashford, Zirkzee, Hjolund, Casemiro, Garnacho, Dalot, Malacia, Maguire, Onana, Mount. From that group surely we can raise 200-250m in top of potentially having 150m already allocated to budget. It would need to be a Chelsea like summer spending spree just targeting the best players we can to build a new 11 almost from scratch. It sounds extreme but I don’t think half way house approach of buying 2-3 players is going to cut it otherwise we’ll be in the same place next season. The squad needs a complete rebuild.
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This isn't FIFA.
 
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