Sturridge vs Welbeck

Brosstan said:
Sturridge has always been better than Welbeck, and now that he seems to steadily get rid of his selfish streak and Defoe-ish tunnel vision whenever he was within 30 yards of goal its not even a contest.
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Has he? there's no way we would sell Welbeck for 12m. And I'm sure that if both were available during the last transfer window, I don't doubt that Welbeck could get a better team than Liverpool.
 
For me the main thing is that Welbeck is at United who have looked after and nurtured him. Sturridge left City for Chelsea and didnt have that same backing from his club. If we're honest he wouldnt have got it at City anyway with all the players they were buying, but the point is Chelsea were going to show no loyalty and care with the players development because its Chelsea and he wasnt even one of their own youngsters. Sturridge and Welbeck were neck and neck till Welbeck had a long run in our team last season up front and clearly went in front. On the other hand Sturridge had to play wide. He scored plenty of goals for Chelsea but the rest of his game out wide left a lot to be desired. A year on and its Sturridge getting a few games up front, its no surprise he looks better and Welbeck playing some games wide like Sturridge last year not looking as good.

In all honesty Sturridge is probably the better impact, goalscoring player while Welbeck is more of a team player. As always, there's not too much between them and I've said that all along.
 
I hate these comparison threads. Aside from the general pointlessness of it all, they are just emotional rollercoasters. It's rare for anyone to have a consistent opinion on the matter as input seems to fluctuate based on who is on form at the moment.

Fact is, Danny has come through United's youth ranks to break into one of the most gifted forward lines in world football. He's consistently producing good performances for a title challenging team and the manager obviously has tons of faith in him. Frankly it really pisses me off whenever we get 'fans' on here bashing him every time he misses a chance. He's got so much talent and is only 22. People expect so much, too much, so soon.
 
simonhch said:
Frankly it really pisses me off whenever we get 'fans' on here bashing him every time he misses a chance. He's got so much talent and is only 22. People expect so much, too much, so soon.
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It's typical of the current generation of Fifa/football manager playing football fans. They expect every player to be great every match, and don't realise that many factors come into play with players' forms. Add to that the pressure and competition that these sugar daddy clubs have created and the stakes are now higher for getting a win and so every single miss is scrutinised.
 
The strange part is we had few to none of those posts when it was Sturridge being slated and seen as the worse player.
 
It doesn't really make sense, but I don't feel like Sturridge more talented than Welbeck, but he seems to be further in his development technically and physically; and that selfishness that he has seems like a positive because he seems to want to compete more.

In comparison, Welbeck just seems a little too nice. Hopefully he grows out of it.
 
Meh! New player in a new team trying to impress the fans and lot. Give him sometime and he will go back to his selfish, wastefulness best.
 
coolredwine said:
Meh! New player in a new team trying to impress the fans and lot. Give him sometime and he will go back to his selfish, wastefulness best.
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To be fair, we could see what he could do at Bolton when played as a striker. At Chelsea he was mostly played on the wing, and it did not work for him and he didn't enjoy it.
 
Sturridge is clearly better. He is more talented in terms of ability, but Welbeck has better moral and work rate.
 
Sturridge is better at the moment, Welbeck needs to add more goals to his game.
 
Sturridge is a better striker, but Welbeck is a better all round player, imo and.

Welbeck has been better than what Sturridge was playing out wide.
 
Sturridge has more urgency and purpose about him, he plays with more intent. Is it possible for Welbeck to develop these attributes? I would say yes.
 
I certainly don't buy into this reasoning that Welbeck is only 22, therefore he'll improve given time. He might well do. But it's just as possible he's as good as he's ever going to be. Robbie Fowler at the age of 19 scored 31 goals in a season. The following season he hit the net 36 times. & aged just 21, he scored 31 times again in a full season.

Danny Welbeck is a classy player. But ultimately he'll be judged on his goalscoring record. A goal every other game over a decent period of time would define someone as an excellent striker. Of course, having RVP & Rooney ahead of you in the pecking order will seriously limit your chances regarding minutes out there on the pitch. But that's the challenge facing you when you play for Manchester United. The lad has some hard work ahead of him if he's ever going to prove himself as a top class striker.
 
retardman5 said:
I certainly don't buy into this reasoning that Welbeck is only 22, therefore he'll improve given time. He might well do. But it's just as possible he's as good as he's ever going to be. Robbie Fowler at the age of 19 scored 31 goals in a season. The following season he hit the net 36 times. & aged just 21, he scored 31 times again in a full season.
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Then subsequently went on a bit of an inconsistent up down scoring gout lasting about 5 years...... Would you not just say he peaked early?

Wouldn't you want a player to have an impact through to 23, peak through to 31 and then taper off and if he's world class show it through all phases? I get what you're trying to imply but it doesn't really make sense in relation to Fowler. He was a goal scoring machine then it caught up with him. Danny is a classy forward who has it all to gain... You're closing of the wallet and not buying into it is just absurd really. Not in an 'i have a different opinion' kind of way. It's just absurd to think he won't at some stage add goals to his game and put together a healthy record as a striker.

We can't all be Wayne Rooney.

feck me some ludicrous things being said in this thread 'looks world class', 'certainly the better striker'. fecking hell they're both similar players in terms of pedigree.
 
Sturridge is obviously the better striker. I just can't see Welbeck doing what Sturridge did yesterday to anyone, never mind City.
 
They are different types of player!

Sturridge is a pure goalscorer, Welbecks game is different, he's more involved in everything.
 
Blair said:
Sturridge is obviously the better striker. I just can't see Welbeck doing what Sturridge did yesterday to anyone, never mind City.
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Anyone can hit a belting shot on their day

If you dont believe that Welbeck is capable of that, look at his goal against Stoke when he was only 17 (may have been his full debut, cant remember)
 
Blair said:
Sturridge is obviously the better striker. I just can't see Welbeck doing what Sturridge did yesterday to anyone, never mind City.
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Exactly, what do you mean ?
 
If Welbeck is played as a lead striker, then he'll be more a Henry type striker than a central player anyway. Drifting in from the left channel/floating around and linking up play dropping deep.

His game in many ways seems modelled on him actually.
 
coolredwine said:
Meh! New player in a new team trying to impress the fans and lot. Give him sometime and he will go back to his selfish, wastefulness best.
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This pretty much sums it up.
 
golden_blunder said:
They are different types of player!

Sturridge is a pure goalscorer, Welbecks game is different, he's more involved in everything.
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That's not entirely true; Sturridge played very well all game against City. His build-up play was good and his runs opened up defenses. He looks a tad quicker than Welbeck, but then Welbeck outpaced him with the ball, so looks can be deceptive. City's defense wasn't close to their usual standards either, but Sturridge looks like a really good signing for Liverpool. Until Welbeck starts scoring, Sturridge will probably edge it. Good, then Liverpool can have half their team in the England squad. Johnson for RB, Gerrard and Henderson in the middle with Downing on the wing and Sturridge up front. Brilliant!
 
I don't get this thread at all. Do people really think that if Welbeck was starting in the lead striking role for a club every week he wouldn't score? Of course he would. He isn't the most clinical but he'd get goals for sure. Not to mention everything else he brings.

Sturridge is more of a goal scorer but he is also playing as a striker for the most part, week in week out.
 
Chabon said:
Apart from the entirety of the 18 months prior to Sturridge signing for Liverpool, sure.
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exactly. He is now playing as the fulcrum of the Liverpool team, off course he's going to score goals and play well

Welbeck on the other hand is just one cog in a team, thats not to say he's an inferior player, just that one is setup to score goals, the other is setup to win as a team.

What amazes me is that so called United fans will engage in a back patting of a Liverpool player just to have a snide dig at one of our own
 
golden_blunder said:
exactly. He is now playing as the fulcrum of the Liverpool team, off course he's going to score goals and play well

Welbeck on the other hand is just one cog in a team, thats not to say he's an inferior player, just that one is setup to score goals, the other is setup to win as a team.

What amazes me is that so called United fans will engage in a back patting of a Liverpool player just to have a snide dig at one of our own
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That's not true at all. I am as big a United fan as the next person on here, but from time to time I am able to put my bias to one side, unlike a lot of posters on this forum.
 
It seems people on here missed the Third round of the FA cup last season. City away. The game we won 3-2. The game Paul Scholes came back out of retirement ?

Welbeck was very good playing centrally at the Etihad.
 
retardman5 said:
I certainly don't buy into this reasoning that Welbeck is only 22, therefore he'll improve given time. He might well do. But it's just as possible he's as good as he's ever going to be. Robbie Fowler at the age of 19 scored 31 goals in a season. The following season he hit the net 36 times. & aged just 21, he scored 31 times again in a full season.

Danny Welbeck is a classy player. But ultimately he'll be judged on his goalscoring record. A goal every other game over a decent period of time would define someone as an excellent striker. Of course, having RVP & Rooney ahead of you in the pecking order will seriously limit your chances regarding minutes out there on the pitch. But that's the challenge facing you when you play for Manchester United. The lad has some hard work ahead of him if he's ever going to prove himself as a top class striker.
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Worth to mention that Welbeck suffered from a lot of issues when he was growing (minor injuries and pain keeping him out at various times), so I think there's every reason to expect that he'll keep improving.

Your second paragraph is pretty much spot on IMO. I find it very hard to pick one out of Welbeck and Sturridge really. Like Welbeck, Sturridge struggled to get enough time on the pitch when he was at a top club and when he got his chances he looked wasteful. His scoring record for Chelsea is actually quite similar to Welbeck's at United (13 in 63 for Sturridge (0.21 goals per game), 11 in 57 for Welbeck (0.19 goals per game)). At the moment it'd be easy to pick Sturridge as the better player because he's getting a lot of time at Liverpool and looking good at the moment, but Welbeck didn't do too bad either on his loan at Sunderland either. Sturridge is the better finisher (particularly at the moment), but I think Welbeck is way ahead of Sturridge in the build-up play. I think Welbeck has more potential, but that's probably because I'm biased.
 
Cevno said:
It seems people on here missed the Third round of the FA cup last season. City away. The game we won 3-2. The game Paul Scholes came back out of retirement ?

Welbeck was very good playing centrally at the Etihad.
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Everton 4-4 (ugh tragic) is probably my favourite Welbeck as a striker match. He and Rooney were magic. Scored that stunner volley though in the 3-2.
 
Rooney's defence of Danny

Wayne Rooney has urged critics to stop judging Danny Welbeck purely on his goals return.

Welbeck, 22, came second behind Steven Gerrard at the FA’s England Player of the Year awards on Sunday night, but has found the net just once for Manchester United in 2012/13.

Rooney, however, is at pains to point out that the young forward hasn’t always been deployed as an out-and-out striker.

“We're not too concerned about him not scoring too many this season. He’s a fantastic player who works hard and brings a lot of energy to the team.

“He hasn’t been playing up front a lot – he’s been playing out wide. He’s been doing a job for the team, which, as players, we’re all grateful for.”

Rooney admits he’s suffered similar criticism in the past when he’s dropped deep and his goal tally has, naturally, slowed.

“Everyone labels Danny as a striker and I have had that at times when I have played in different positions. Someone will bring up the fact that I haven't scored for eight games when I hadn't played up front!

“Danny has been out wide a lot this season. He is a great player and his time will come when he gets that run up front. I am sure then he will score goals.”

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...3/Feb/wayne-rooney-defends-danny-welbeck.aspx
 
We're not really going to see the best of Welbeck till he gets games in his preferred position and till he gains any kind of composure in the box which he so far lacks.
 
Swaters16 said:
Everton 4-4 (ugh tragic) is probably my favourite Welbeck as a striker match. He and Rooney were magic..
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One of the best CF performances we've seen in recent years, and in a huge, potentially title-winning match. Shame we've all had to wipe the match from our memories.
 
Chabon said:
One of the best CF performances we've seen in recent years, and in a huge, potentially title-winning match. Shame we've all had to wipe the match from our memories.
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They were just so good together that day and really highlighted what Welbeck can do, he had pace, power, passing and scored a brilliant goal. Sturridge doesn't have that sort of play in his game, he is more about the goals. Granted he scores more than Welbeck and probably always will.
 
ghaliboy said:
Then subsequently went on a bit of an inconsistent up down scoring gout lasting about 5 years...... Would you not just say he peaked early?

Wouldn't you want a player to have an impact through to 23, peak through to 31 and then taper off and if he's world class show it through all phases? I get what you're trying to imply but it doesn't really make sense in relation to Fowler. He was a goal scoring machine then it caught up with him. Danny is a classy forward who has it all to gain... You're closing of the wallet and not buying into it is just absurd really. Not in an 'i have a different opinion' kind of way. It's just absurd to think he won't at some stage add goals to his game and put together a healthy record as a striker.

We can't all be Wayne Rooney.

feck me some ludicrous things being said in this thread 'looks world class', 'certainly the better striker'. fecking hell they're both similar players in terms of pedigree.
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It wasn't a case of peaking too early. Fowler suffered a really serious knee injury in 1999. It put him out of the game for a long time, & he was never the same player afterwards. But his first 6 seasons as a Liverpool player produced 147 goals in 251 games. That's pretty impressive by anyone's standards. Can you imagine how many he'd have scored playing for United ? For all his qualities, I can't see Welbeck having anywhere near the impact that Fowler had on The Premiership.
 
Still not convinced by Sturridge as a top 4 striker (well he isn't one right now) in the long term. However he has started immensely well, I think he needs his manager to believe in him and treat him like a special case which is what I'm sure Brent Rodgers is doing at Liverpool.
 
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