Steven Gerrard

One of the most consistently laughable things on here is when people try to claim he isn't technically great, he is as good as Scholes technically, it's only Scholes brain that he can run a game from deep far better.

Whilst I agree that occasionally on here people underrate Gerrard's technical ability, I don't think it was ever on Scholes' level. In terms of running a game I completely agree though. There's no reason that Gerrard shouldn't have been able to dictate play similarly to Scholes based on his technical skills (although not at the same level because IMO he simply couldn't manipulate the ball as well as Scholes), his problem there is predominantly a mental one.

A main point of debate about Gerrard though is concerned with his tendency to attempt (and fail at) the audacious, which is something you can never really say about Scholes. The obvious counterargument to that is to say that Scholes was more likely to play it safe because of his game intelligence of whatever, but in reality Scholes consistently did a lot of the ridiculous things Gerrard gets stick for attempting. The difference is that with Scholes they almost unfailingly came off so we didn't see them as risky. In that sense I think Gerrard's issue is a combination of technical and mental deficiencies - namely that he's never had absolutely top class technical ability like Scholes did, but at the same time he's never really accepted his limitations in that regard. On top of that he also stops short of having quite the vision or creativity Scholes provided which is undoubtedly also a factor.
 
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In all fairness, that was a magnificent FK, and he gave his all in those final few minutes.

I always expect him to score against us - can expect the usual jammy goal followed by sloppy camera kiss on Sunday.
 
Running a game like Scholes is not the only measure of football intelligence. It also, incidentally, is not the only way to run a game.
 
He must be gutted that he didn't go to Chelsea when he had the chance and ended up staying with that shower.
 
Stevie G is one of the best players to have ever played for Liverpool.
He is a big game player - anonymous for most of the game then BHAM! Scores.
This is the guy who will probably score against Man Utd on Sunday.
Aye a penalty or a deflected free like most of the time
 
Rivalry aside, I think Gerrard has been one of the best PL players of the last 10 years. But, talented as he is, he always brings to mind this Sacchi quote in terms of playing centre midfield -

‘We had some who were very good footballers. They had technique, they had athleticism, they had drive, they were hungry. But they lacked what I call knowing- how- to- play- football. They lacked decision- making. They lacked positioning. They didn’t have that subtle sensitivity of football: how a player should move within the collective. And, for many, I wasn’t sure they were going to learn. You see, strength, passion, technique, athleticism, all of these are very important. But they are a means to an end, not an end in itself. They help you reach your goal, which is putting your talent at the service of the team, and, by doing this, making both you and the team greater. So, in situations like that, I just have to say, he’s a great footballer, but perhaps not a great player.’
 

That may be obvious but some reduce him to the caricature of Stevie Me hitting Hollywood balls. He's been a lot more than that but maybe not quite as much as he first promised when he broke through. He should have gone to Chelsea (or United...).
 
Gerrard for Liverpool is a bit like Bryan Robson was for us. Robson was brilliant. A leader, a very very good player and a dominating force in our team, without doubt. The only difference between the two...is that is the twilight of his years as a player..finally, Robson got that league winners medal, Gerrard won't and to be honest...that is the only difference.
 
Gerrard for Liverpool is a bit like Bryan Robson was for us. Robson was brilliant. A leader, a very very good player and a dominating force in our team, without doubt. The only difference between the two...is that is the twilight of his years as a player..finally, Robson got that league winners medal, Gerrard won't and to be honest...that is the only difference.

Gerrard carried a team to a European cup final, was the best player in the final, has scored in every major final at club level, was a one club man, etc.
 
Gerrard carried a team to a European cup final, was the best player in the final, has scored in every major final at club level, was a one club man, etc.

confused...are you saying that he is better than Robson...given the circumstances? fine..ok..he's better...but he's similar in his influence on a team...
 
I honestly feel that he gets by mostly on his set pieces these days. Even if his overall performance is shite you just know he'll deliver a good corner/freekick or score a penalty and people will mostly forget the flaws in his play. But I think there is always a mistake in him, a miss-placed pass or similar. And of course he doesn't have the legs to bomb around the pitch as he used to. He definitely shouldn't be playing every game for them but then who else can come in and do better?
 
Gerrard carried a team to a European cup final, was the best player in the final, has scored in every major final at club level, was a one club man, etc.

God you're insufferable! People are allowed opinions and the Robson one was a perfectly good example

If you love Gerrard so much why don't you go and build a statue of him, there are plenty of piles of dirt and litter around Anfield that you can use to get the job done
 
confused...are you saying that he is better than Robson...given the circumstances? fine..ok..he's better...but he's similar in his influence on a team...

No, I'm not saying anything about who's better. Just that saying 'there's one difference' isn't true.
 
God you're insufferable! People are allowed opinions and the Robson one was a perfectly good example

If you love Gerrard so much why don't you go and build a statue of him, there are plenty of piles of dirt and litter around Anfield that you can use to get the job done

It wasn't an opinion though. I was simply pointing out the fact that there are many other differences. I was not saying one was better than the other.
 
It wasn't an opinion though. I was simply pointing out the fact that there are many other differences. I was not saying one was better than the other.

Gerrard's crowning glory was Istanbul. Robson didn't have the option of finishing fourth and entering the European Cup but he did play a big role in United beating Barcelona in the CWC in 1991. The key difference is that Robson finished on a high of back to back league titles to end United's drought while Gerrard's career has been a huge anti-climax since 2005 (or the 2006 cup final if you are being kind), culminating in that slip against Chelsea.
 
I would absolutely love it if Gerrard slips on Sunday and one of ours races through and scores the winner. It'd be amazing.
 
His Hollywood ball lead to Girouds goal, he also had a man free and greedily decided to shoot. Been shite, yet watch as no one from sky criticizes him
 
His Hollywood ball lead to Girouds goal, he also had a man free and greedily decided to shoot. Been shite, yet watch as no one from sky criticizes him

I think Martin Tyler would marry him. He's become such a selfish idiot who wants to grab the headlines.
 
Its clear for everyone to see that hes done at the top level yet his manager starts him every game and no one questions 'performances' like this.

He must have something in his contract that he has to play a certain number of minutes in a season. Im honestly beginning to doubt theres no one at Liverpool who could do a better job because hes not exactly offering them anything
 
He must be fecking haunted by that slip. He knows he'll never win the league now and every week he has to listen to the Demba Ba chant while he contributes less and less to an absolutely shite Liverpool side.

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Can some create a Gerrard slip compliation? He's slipped loads of times this season.
 
Poor man management by Rodgers' wrt Gerrard. No idea what he was upto tonight. Both mistakes for the goal as well, kept on taking shots at the end for no reason.
 
He's played 90 minutes in each of their last 4 games over the space of 13 days. He just doesn't have that energy in him anymore and it shows.