Steven Gerrard

Genuinely amazing how he gets away with that. The daily mail for example

STEVEN GERRARD: 7

Strong and disciplined. Passed it well as ever, and organised the team. Even shielded his centre-halves not always his strength.

That's a higher rating than Welbeck, and the same as Sturridge.

Pirlo also got a 7 :lol:
 
Baxter said:
Genuinely amazing how he gets away with that. The daily mail for example

STEVEN GERRARD: 7

Strong and disciplined. Passed it well as ever, and organised the team. Even shielded his centre-halves not always his strength.

That's a higher rating than Welbeck, and the same as Sturridge.

Pirlo also got a 7 :lol:
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The only way he deserves a 7 is if it's out of 100
 
People were indignant at the time, but SAF was spot on when he said Stevie Me is not top class - he was embarrassingly inferior to Pirlo. Gerrard's not fit to lace the boots of the world's top playmakers. He was at his best in an advanced position when he still had the legs to raid. He's a nothing holding player - easy to play through and not good enough to dictate.
 
Feed Me said:
People were indignant at the time, but SAF was spot on when he said Stevie Me is not top class - he was embarrassingly inferior to Pirlo. Gerrard's not fit to lace the boots of the world's top playmakers. He was at his best in an advanced position when he still had the legs to raid. He's a nothing holding player - easy to play through and not good enough to dictate.
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I don't think he's top class as a central midfield player. Not sure that he was as poor as people are suggesting he was yesterday, but he just doesn't have that mindset in my opinion to really control a game. He'll hit long balls all day but you could see the difference between Pirlo and Gerrard last night. At that level he doesn't control games well enough for me.
 
Backrow Singer said:
I don't think he's top class as a central midfield player. Not sure that he was as poor as people are suggesting he was yesterday, but he just doesn't have that mindset in my opinion to really control a game. He'll hit long balls all day but you could see the difference between Pirlo and Gerrard last night. At that level he doesn't control games well enough for me.
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I didn't say he was poor, just invisible!
 
Rooney was poor/average on his side but I think Gerrard was average at best as well and few people seemed to call up the lack of protection from the central midfielders. That was part of the problem, we needed to get move cover to plug up the holes which was where they were clearly targeting and Gerrard was more at fault for this than Henderson.

He played a couple of good long balls but needed to do a lot more for me.
 
Feed Me said:
People were indignant at the time, but SAF was spot on when he said Stevie Me is not top class - he was embarrassingly inferior to Pirlo. Gerrard's not fit to lace the boots of the world's top playmakers. He was at his best in an advanced position when he still had the legs to raid. He's a nothing holding player - easy to play through and not good enough to dictate.
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That's frankly ridiculous. Can we assume that you don't think a Rooney is top class either based on last night?

Gerrard has come off an excellent season where he has reinvented himself but was still top of the assists charts. He wasn't top class last night but it would be daft to measure his career based on that. Gerrard has been at the top of the game and only a few United fans appear to pursue the argument that he's not up there with the best. People were indignant with Fergie because it was mealy mouthed crap, just like his Henderson comments.
 
:lol: Slippy G.

Edit: It looks like ref didn't clip him. He himself slipped and/or dived. There can be new term for it. He dipped. Suits as well as he is a dipper.
 
Red Dreams said:
unfortunately he is still trying get personal glory...Rooney should have taken that free kick.
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Yup, called him a selfish bastard straight away when he's taken it and I was pretty sure he'd take it.

Shooting show from that famous Chelsea match came to my mind.
 
If Pirlo was going after Scholes for his shirt even after a stinker, this forum would be going mental. Gerrard gets far too much slack on here, but then again, I'd say it's fair game given that their lot will be destroying Rooney right about now.....but Man Utd fans destroy him too, Rooney only wins in his bank account CHA-CHING.

Still didn't have a good day though, and is certainly gassed, any of the 3 subs could of came on for him, the protection he offered the back 4 was kind of irrelevant at that point. Huge problem is that he's likely to play full 90 next two games too barring an insanely direct fast start which see England up 3-0 against 9 men by half time both times.
 
Horrible performance, exactly what the likes of Cleverley or Carrick would get hammered for; but of course its Stevie Me so he will be free from any criticism and Rooney will take the blame. He is not a proper deep lying holding midfielder and he got exposed yesterday. Lets replace him with another holding midfielder, oops Hodgson left them all at home and brought along Fat Frank instead.
 
PickledRed said:
That's frankly ridiculous. Can we assume that you don't think a Rooney is top class either based on last night?

Gerrard has come off an excellent season where he has reinvented himself but was still top of the assists charts. He wasn't top class last night but it would be daft to measure his career based on that. Gerrard has been at the top of the game and only a few United fans appear to pursue the argument that he's not up there with the best. People were indignant with Fergie because it was mealy mouthed crap, just like his Henderson comments.
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It's not ridiculous, it's exactly how I see it. Gerrard isn't a top class holding player - he's never had the ability to dictate a game like a Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes or Xabi Alonso. Not sure why you're getting so defensive about that - I'd say it's pretty indisputable. He was at his best playing as an advanced midfielder, where he had scope to play more riskily and get goals; clearly the passage of time means he can no longer do that.

You're delusional if you think Gerrard's capable of running a game like Pirlo did yesterday. He was utterly anonymous in the first half, though he upped his game in the second.

On Rooney, it's absolutely pointless to have a debate - he's so ill-suited to playing on the left flank, it's untrue. He needs to be swapped with Sterling, who will still perform very well out wide. There's no point in Roomey being in the side out wide.
 
Thought he was England's weakest player last night. He'll be found out this tournament, he's completely past it.
 
United22 said:
Horrible performance, exactly what the likes of Cleverley or Carrick would get hammered for; but of course its Stevie Me so he will be free from any criticism and Rooney will take the blame.
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Exactly. This is the thing that stops me properly supporting England.
 
Feed Me said:
It's not ridiculous, it's exactly how I see it. Gerrard isn't a top class holding player - he's never had the ability to dictate a game like a Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes or Xabi Alonso. Not sure why you're getting so defensive about that - I'd say it's pretty indisputable. He was at his best playing as an advanced midfielder, where he had scope to play more riskily and get goals; clearly the passage of time means he can no longer do that.

You're delusional if you think Gerrard's capable of running a game like Pirlo did yesterday. He was utterly anonymous in the first half, though he upped his game in the second.

On Rooney, it's absolutely pointless to have a debate - he's so ill-suited to playing on the left flank, it's untrue. He needs to be swapped with Sterling, who will still perform very well out wide. There's no point in Roomey being in the side out wide.
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You stated that you agreed with Fergie's assessment about a Gerrard not being a top player, which relates to his career over many years. My post was about Gerrard's career and that he's done enough to prove he is, indeed, a top player. Just because he can't do what Pirlo does doesn't mean his own attributes are not significant and highly regarded.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Baines was never a quality defender, just a decent full-back with incredible delivery and set-piece ability.
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Indeed. I thought he was easily England's weakest link last night. Terrible game from him. Although he was exposed too often which was down to team shape.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Thought he was England's weakest player last night. He'll be found out this tournament, he's completely past it.
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Which is how he drove us to second in the league? A player who is past it doesn't do that.


Red Dreams said:
unfortunately he is still trying get personal glory...Rooney should have taken that free kick.
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Or perhaps it's because he's one of the best set piece takers in the country?

Kostur said:
Couldn't stop laughing when I saw it on the telly. He's done. Mentally, he's probably as dead as it gets.
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How can you judge what he's like mentally?

Feed Me said:
People were indignant at the time, but SAF was spot on when he said Stevie Me is not top class - he was embarrassingly inferior to Pirlo. Gerrard's not fit to lace the boots of the world's top playmakers. He was at his best in an advanced position when he still had the legs to raid. He's a nothing holding player - easy to play through and not good enough to dictate.
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Pirlo had three other midfielders with him, Gerrard had Henderson.
 
An Irish Red said:
He didn't, Suarez did. Sturridge, Coutinho, Sterling and Henderson were all more important players for you than Gerrard as well. He's not a deep-lying playmaker and he never will be.
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Suarez dropped off in the run in. As did Sturridge. Gerrard and Sterling were the two that stepped up and pushed us through when we went on the 11 game winning run.
 
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PickledRed said:
You stated that you agreed with Fergie's assessment about a Gerrard not being a top player, which relates to his career over many years. My post was about Gerrard's career and that he's done enough to prove he is, indeed, a top player. Just because he can't do what Pirlo does doesn't mean his own attributes are not significant and highly regarded.
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That's fair.

Overall though, Gerrard's similar to Rooney in that his advocates are offended by the notion that he's not in the very top bracket - I don't think it's that outrageous a thing to say. His Roy of the Rovers performances at certain times have masked the fact that he's never been a player capable of running a game.

Gerrard's best form came as an advanced midfield player when he had Mascherano and Alonso covering him.
 
Gerard's biggest problem is his ego, he has some innate need to be the hero and it is a problem
 
BarneyLFC said:
And when our two strikers began to drop off it was Sterling and Gerrard who picked up the slack. Gerrard was fantastic from January onwards.
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I think Gerrard's contribution to Liverpool's good season is overstated if I'm being honest. There's four or five Liverpool player's who contributed more to the second place finish, in my opinion.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Which is how he drove us to second in the league? A player who is past it doesn't do that.
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Suarez did.

BarneyLFC said:
Or perhaps it's because he's one of the best set piece takers in the country?
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True, but the issue i think they have is that Rooney was ready and eager and is also one of the best set piece takers in the country who has also shown form on free-kicks the last season.

BarneyLFC said:
How can you judge what he's like mentally?
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He can't, but it could show that he both ain't afraid of taking the blame for a miss and is looking to get his name on the scoresheet before evaluating who the person he is taking the free-kick from is. Could've been that Hodgson had told them that Gerrard would take a free-kick from the left, we don't know.

BarneyLFC said:
Pirlo had three other midfielders with him, Gerrard had Henderson.
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Not a good enough argument against the claim that Gerrard never was, and never will be the playmaker that Pirlo is/was.
They have completely different skillsets and Pirlo's obviously fits better to the what is needed as a playmaker. Not taking anything from Gerrard on that of course.

That said, Gerrard was world class at some point, Fergie's comment (if it's been told correctly to me) was simply wrong.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Which is how he drove us to second in the league? A player who is past it doesn't do that.




Or perhaps it's because he's one of the best set piece takers in the country?



How can you judge what he's like mentally?



Pirlo had three other midfielders with him, Gerrard had Henderson.
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Gerrard's performance this season just gone was hugely overrated - there was the irritating narrative that he deserved to win the title, which took on a life of its own. It was nonsense, much like when Giggs won PotY.

Also, you weren't in Europe. It's not as though Gerrard came out in top against the cream of the crop.

His impact in the run-in is legendary - slipped against Chelsea, then spent a half on a pathetic personal crusade instead of playing for the team. Then he failed to do his job as captain against Palace in a monumental meltdown.

Not a top player.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Or perhaps it's because he's one of the best set piece takers in the country?
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I asked my Liverpool supporting mate beside me at the time of the match when was the last time he scored a direct free kick. He replied not for at least a year. Is that correct?

I don't know why Gerrard took it. Baines and Rooney are definetly better direct free kick takers, imo.
 
MrEriksen said:
Suarez did.


True, but the issue i think they have is that Rooney was ready and eager and is also one of the best set piece takers in the country who has also shown form on free-kicks the last season.


He can't, but it could show that he both ain't afraid of taking the blame for a miss and is looking to get his name on the scoresheet before evaluating who the person he is taking the free-kick from is. Could've been that Hodgson had told them that Gerrard would take a free-kick from the left, we don't know.


Not a good enough argument against the claim that Gerrard never was, and never will be the playmaker that Pirlo is/was.
They have completely different skillsets and Pirlo's obviously fits better to the what is needed as a playmaker. Not taking anything from Gerrard on that of course.

That said, Gerrard was world class at some point, Fergie's comment (if it's been told correctly to me) was simply wrong.
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In the run in it was Gerrard and Sterling. Before that it was Suarez and Sturridge.

Gerrard was also eager and has shown form on free kicks last season too.

I agree, Pirlo is one of the best playmakers of all time. Gerrard isn't. He's not a nothing player in the holding role though.

Señor said:
I asked my Liverpool supporting mate beside me at the time of the match when was the last time he scored a direct free kick. He replied not for at least a year. Is that correct?

I don't know why Gerrard took it. Baines and Rooney are definetly better direct free kick takers, imo.
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Sunderland and Hull this season. It's usually Suarez that takes direct free kicks for us though.

KiD MoYeS said:
I think Gerrard's contribution to Liverpool's good season is overstated if I'm being honest. There's four or five Liverpool player's who contributed more to the second place finish, in my opinion.
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Even if you think there were four or five better, surely that doesn't mean he's past it?
 
BarneyLFC said:
Even if you think there were four or five better, surely that doesn't mean he's past it?
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Maybe past it is being a tad harsh, but he's certainly a shadow of the player he once was. You won't have many poster's admiring Gerrard the player on RedCafe, I felt he was colossal in his prime. Watching him completely fail to impact last night's game was telling, allowing Pirlo control a game at walking pace was poor.
 
BarneyLFC said:
In the run in it was Gerrard and Sterling. Before that it was Suarez and Sturridge.

Gerrard was also eager and has shown form on free kicks last season too.

I agree, Pirlo is one of the best playmakers of all time. Gerrard isn't. He's not a nothing player in the holding role though.
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You've watched more Liverpool games this season than me, so you have more to go on. But from what i've seen Suarez is the main reason you guys have gotten even close to 2nd place. Not because of all his goals and assists, but because of how uncertain the opponents gets whenever he is on the ball or on the move to receive it and what that does to both the opponents and your own players. Add that to being top assist and top goalscorer of the league and he has certainly been your most important offensive player from my point of view.

Gerrard was so eager that he took it from Rooney (if my memory isn't playing tricks on me), there is no denying that it was a self-entitled feeling or however it's explained in english that made him do that, unless it was chosen by Hodgson beforehand.

Englands biggest problem yesterday wasn't Gerrard though. It was their bloody system. You played without any real pressure on Pirlo who could do as he wanted. If England would want anything out of the match then they would have put Welbeck on pirlo, Rooney on the left wing, Sturridge up top and Sterling/Lallana on the right.
With Pirlo as limited as possible then Italy would have opened up more and pushed further forward and let the counter-prowess of Sturridge, Rooney and Sterling do the work.
Also, having two attacking wingbacks when neither of your midfielders are specially good defensively is stupidity from Hodgson. He should have either used Shaw/Cole on the left or Jones on the right, or at least fecking instructed Baines or Johnson to help out the defense whenever the other bombed forward. Often was Baines out of position and left space behind him, and that along with dreadful defending from Johnson and the central defenders were the reason Balotelli got his goal.

If anything, Hodgson is to blame for how the game ended up, and Steven as the captain should've had the experience to know that something had to be done about both fullbacks bombing forward and being out of position. He should've told them to adjust their constant attacking mindset.

Now i've been rambling as i usually end up doing... I'll cut it off by saying that I agree with you that the statement on Gerrard being a "nothing holding player" is a completely wrong one. He is just way below the class of Pirlo as a playmaker, which isn't a shame as most players in the history of football is.
 
PickledRed said:
Gerrard has come off an excellent season where he has reinvented himself but was still top of the assists charts
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Nearly all his assists were from set-pieces. Kind of skews the stats in the same way all his goals came from pens.

He was good last season but not even in Liverpool's top 5 performers, IMO. With Suarez miles ahead of anyone in your side. But again he gets praised left right and centre by the media and never criticised. He even got rated ahead of Yaya Toure, somehow.
 
When things aren't going his teams way he runs out of ideas pretty quickly. Resorting to hopeful long balls and long shots. His massive ego lost pool the league. In TV interviews he had the league won already as far as he was concerned. Big smug grin for the cameras. He's obviously not the brightest.
 
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