Steven Gerrard

Señor said:
I don't hate Gerrard either, I just think he's a bellend. Stuff like him kissing the camera at OT twice and his beautiful starfish dives just cement my view on how much of a dick he is.
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It will be funny if they miss out on the league again.

He's invited a sea of abuse for those loathsome kissing the camera moments.
However, I can't overly hate him. He's not a Terry/Cole/Suarez to me. Just a thick as sh"t no forehead icon of our biggest rivals.
 
Mockney said:
United, easily. Though it's not remotely a competition or conflict of interest. People massively overstate my England allegiance on here. I'm as big a fan as most people are of their national team (especially outside of big parochial hubs like Manchester & Liverpool) I just perk up about it a lot because England come in for a lot of lazy bashing.

I do find International tournaments by far and away the best match going experience there is though, and get into it accordingly.
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Are you off to Brazil?
 
PickledRed said:
Aarrrhhhh, the Scoles v Gerrard debate. A bit like Jews and Muslims arguing over which is the one true faith.
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There is only one faith, practiced at the alter of beautiful football and agricultural tackles of the Scholes.

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Oggmonster said:
It was a very good save though. The English media will always be biased to English players, especially in a WC year but there's nothing wrong with praising that save as it was good. If de Gea made that save people on here would probably be saying it's one of the best they've seen, go to the De Gea thread if you don't think it's true, there's been some games where he has literally had nothing to do and people still feel the need to praise him and say stuff like "Quiet day for de Gea....probably down to him organising the defence so well." I don't know what the media would say about that Hart save and why there's a reason to bring up past mistakes, it doesn't achieve anything by doing it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the talking up of big English players in a WC year. It's like when people get annoyed when they want English teams to win in the CL over the likes of Barca and Bayern, I don't see why there'd be any reason an English channel employing English people would want an English team to go out?

Don't quite get your point about Toure, it might be valid if Gerrard or Rooney won a POTY but a foreign player won it? It's also voted by players so has nothing to do with the media. Unless there was another award I didn't see, if that's the case then my mistake.
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Oggmonster you are totally missing the point. Why should Hart get bigged up on sky but "enter any forgien Gk" and he wouldn't? Yes I agree it was a fabulous save but I wouldn't say Hart won them the league with that save. Then go on how great he was, when in reality he's been guilty of costing City a right few points over the last 2 seasons. And it does serve to talk about past mistakes as it gives a better picture of what has actually happened. The tone should have been Joe has not had the best of seasons but his saves today were right out the top drawer and hopefully he stays in this vein of form into the WC. But no all we get with English players is hyperbole and then the inevitable failure when the don't live up to the hype.
 
BarneyLFC said:
It's over sensationalist bullshit, the same way saying Steven Gerrard lost the league for us is.

Toure hasn't even been City's best player I think. He's overrated IMO.
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20 goals from a midfielder is sensational I don't think he's on pks either unlike Gerrard (not a dig) who has mostly converted his goals from pks.
 
Lawman said:
20 goals from a midfielder is sensational I don't think he's on pks either unlike Gerrard (not a dig) who has mostly converted his goals from pks.
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He is on PKs. Comparing Gerrard's and Toure's goal records this year is pointless. They've played completely different roles.
 
BarneyLFC said:
That only proves the team he played for is better. Odd way to try and prove something.
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Barney you are on a loser here, forget its a United forum. Gerrard has been a brilliant player but Scholes is a once in a lifetime player.
 
Somebody needs to come in and save this thread with a monumental gif. It's being lost to sensible discussion.
 
BarneyLFC said:
He is on PKs. Comparing Gerrard's and Toure's goal records this year is pointless. They've played completely different roles.
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The only comparison I was making between them was the amount of goals for a midfielder. Gerrards goals have been invaluable to Liverpool and his goals often get mentioned but how many have not been pens this season? Toures have mostly been open play that is why I think his goal return is sensational in comparison to Gerrards. Not comparing them as players just their goal returns Barney boy. :)
 
Rowem said:
As a footballer though he embodies so much of what is wrong with English football the past 20 years.
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Could this be blamed more on the decades of Scouse enculturation instead of the man's own inner qualities as a human being? Hasn't he just become the embodiment of the poems/prayers/hopes/dreams/urges/fantasies of millions of Kopites? He is merely a human vessel for the projection of the LFC subsconscious.

Then I think of the Phil Collins thing and disagree with myself. He is a cock.
 
Gerrard v Toure ?

No debate. Even Gerrard at his peak just slightly edges Yaya (if that) not to mention now.

Gerrard coming second in FWA is a joke, just shows the writers don't know much either.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Gerrard v Toure ?

No debate. Even Gerrard at his peak just slightly edges Yaya (if that) not to mention now.

Gerrard coming second in FWA is a joke, just shows the writers don't know much either.
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Gerrard at his peak shits on Toure.
 
Lawman said:
Barney you are on a loser here, forget its a United forum. Gerrard has been a brilliant player but Scholes is a once in a lifetime player.
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Interestingly Scholes is no where near as highly regarded by 'neutrals' as he is by United fans. I'm sure the majority of forums would back Gerrard over Scholes in a debate between the two. I'm undecided but the way United fans treat it as a closed debate is a bit ridiculous to be honest, almost as if someone has suggested Danny Murphy was better than Zidane.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Gerrard at his peak shits on Toure.
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Out of interest, when would you say Gerrard's peak was? The obvious standout seasons statistically are 2005-6 and 2008-9 but I wont pretend to remember his general play that long ago.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
Out of interest, when would you say Gerrard's peak was? The obvious standout seasons statistically are 2005-6 and 2008-9 but I wont pretend to remember his general play that long ago.
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2004-2009 were his best years. I'd even say this season is up there.
 
Yeah he's awesome, the constant diving, play acting, ref surrounding, over hit Hollywood balls, constant blaming everyone else but himself, the late tackles he gets away with.
Yaya is twice the player Gerrard has been. Gerrard would never of had the headlines he has now if he had more that just 38 prem games to play. He'd never be able to do the EPL, CC, FA Cup and the CL. Will be proved next year.
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The difference between Scholes and Gerrard is about 11 league titles and a CL.

Not being a stats smartarse here, that is indeed what it boils down to. Gerrard can claim more individual game-changing moments/games, but you don't win titles going against the grain and changing games, you win titles exerting your dominance, controlling games and winning them without such Roy of the Rovers stuff being at all necessary.
 
BobbyManc said:
Interestingly Scholes is no where near as highly regarded by 'neutrals' as he is by United fans. I'm sure the majority of forums would back Gerrard over Scholes in a debate between the two. I'm undecided but the way United fans treat it as a closed debate is a bit ridiculous to be honest, almost as if someone has suggested Danny Murphy was better than Zidane.
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I agree here. Nothing wrong with seeing Scholes as the better player.
I think Scholes' football brain is miles beyond that of Gerrard. I also feel that, unlike Gerrard, he'd have fitted into any league playing at any tempo.
One of those players who simply dictates things quietly, and effortlessly pings the ball about for fun. The trust his teammates had in him just emphasised the level he was at. When United needed a goal late on, they'd all look for Scholes, because he rarely ever wasted possession.

Gerrard has been a completely different player, but an animal all the same. And the way some United fans dismiss any comparison (as if, like you say, we're comparing Zidane and Danny Murphy) is ridiculous at times.
 
Browniee said:
Yeah he's awesome, the constant diving, play acting, ref surrounding, over hit Hollywood balls, constant blaming everyone else but himself, the late tackles he gets away with.
Yaya is twice the player Gerrard has been. Gerrard would never of had the headlines he has now if he had more that just 38 prem games to play. He'd never be able to do the EPL, CC, FA Cup and the CL. Will be proved next year.
Gerrard, Terry, Suarez - Worlds most hated
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BarneyLFC said:
He does. Toure doesn't hold a candle to any of the great PL midfielders IMO. Gerrard, Keane, Vieira, Fabregas, Scholes, Lampard, Makalele and Co were all comfortably better.
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I like how you lumped all the top midfielders together despite some (eg. Scholes) being clearly better than others (eg. Gerrard). Toure is brilliant. Gerrard wasn't good enough to "shit" on toure. Only midfielders like xavi and the very very best can lay that claim. Toure is excellent like Gerrard used to be. IMO of course
 
BarneyLFC said:
He does. Toure doesn't hold a candle to any of the great PL midfielders IMO. Gerrard, Keane, Vieira, Fabregas, Scholes, Lampard, Makalele and Co were all comfortably better.
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Toure's a very unique player. Hard to find a midfielder that possesses pace, power and technical ability of high quality in all three areas. You've got to say Toure belongs in that category with those names mentioned.
 
I'm sorry but I'll have Toure over Lampard and Makalele. Agree about the rest of the list although Toure was a better player for Barcelona than Fabregas ever was.
 
KM said:
I'm sorry but I'll have Toure over Lampard and Makalele. Agree about the rest of the list although Toure was a better player for Barcelona than Fabregas ever was.
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Definitely.
 
Gerrard > Toure

We can argue the Scholes case all you like; since Scholes is arguably the best English midfielder of all time. Toure isn't anywhere near as creative, consistent or technically able as Gerrard.

Anyway, this thread is for mocking Stevie.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
Gerrard > Toure

We can argue the Scholes case all you like; since Scholes is arguably the best English midfielder of all time. Toure isn't anywhere near as creative, consistent, creative or technically able as Gerrard.

Anyway, this thread is for mocking Stevie.
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Toure "isn't anywhere near as technically able" as Gerrard?
Really?
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
Gerrard > Toure

We can argue the Scholes case all you like; since Scholes is arguably the best English midfielder of all time. Toure isn't anywhere near as creative, consistent, creative or technically able as Gerrard.

Anyway, this thread is for mocking Stevie.
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Bollocks. Argue Gerrard is better all you like but Toure is technically better and certainly more creative.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
Gerrard > Toure

We can argue the Scholes case all you like; since Scholes is arguably the best English midfielder of all time. Toure isn't anywhere near as creative, consistent, creative or technically able as Gerrard.

Anyway, this thread is for mocking Stevie.
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In what way?

He's better in close spaces by a mile.

I think Gerrard edges it over toure but there's no way there was this giant gulf between their peaks. That makes Gerrard sound like some once in a lifetime footballer.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
Gerrard > Toure

We can argue the Scholes case all you like; since Scholes is arguably the best English midfielder of all time. Toure isn't anywhere near as creative, consistent or technically able as Gerrard.

Anyway, this thread is for mocking Stevie.
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Would Gerrard look at home playing for Barca?

I'd bite your hand off to get Toure over Gerrard, at any point in time.
 
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