Scholes did not need to change a game, He dictated them.
That is usually my response to liverpool fans who say "stevie G is the best'
Steven Gerrard
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That is usually my response to liverpool fans who say "stevie G is the best'
@Truedevil That was an epic gif! 
It's over sensationalist bullshit, the same way saying Steven Gerrard lost the league for us is.
Toure hasn't even been City's best player I think. He's overrated IMO.
Aarrrhhhh, the Scoles v Gerrard debate. A bit like Jews and Muslims arguing over which is the one true faith.
Not exactly. As one of the sides in the Scholes vs. Gerrard debate is clearly wrong.
It's not a debate.
Thanks for not proving my point in any way shape or form.
I'd say he's painted a bit wrongly, in that he's made out to be this flawless player who is consistently immense throughout games. He actually tires quite a bit and rarely has 90 minutes at a high tempo, that's been pointed out quite a bit on this forum. However, what he does have is an incredible capacity to deliver the goods almost invariably in key moments, and that cannot be said enough imo. He seems like the ultimate big game player (and by 'big game', I don't only mean against good teams, I'm talking about games of major importance like cup finals and title deciders) and someone City can really rely on. He wins them games, therefore I think his status as their 'best player' is deserved (even though I personally prefer Silva and Agüero).
Toure doesn't really have a position (Wenger observed this years ago). He doesn't have the stamina to play in CM at the highest level and you always feel that you want a true forward in the No.10 slot. His talent makes him massively effective in either role of course but just short of true brilliance.
You're more than welcome.
Is it weird that I don't actually get the hate for Gerrard?
I don't hate Gerrard either, I just think he's a bellend. Stuff like him kissing the camera at OT twice and his beautiful starfish dives just cement my view on how much of a dick he is.
I think Gerrard is probably an alright person (aside from the farce of beating up a DJ and blatantly lying to get out of it)
As a footballer though he embodies so much of what is wrong with English football the past 20 years. Gerrard vs. Scholes would not be a debate in Spain or Italy.
As a footballer though he embodies so much of what is wrong with English football the past 20 years. Gerrard vs. Scholes would not be a debate in Spain or Italy.
Not really considering the fact that he is an England player and you are a devout England fan.
Less talking more pictures.
See, objectively though, that's not really dickish. We'd love a player that did that kind of stuff for us. And have. Fans get far too annoyed with little things players do in the heat of the moment. Players like Gerrard get stick all game from opposition fans then the second they do anything retaliatory or out of the boringly normal, fans get all uppity and judgemental.
I get why he's hated, but I can't really bring myself to do it too. Suarez, sure, I hope the little shit gets dysentery in a shootout, but Gerrard? Meh. I can certainly see why a lot of neutrals would feel sorry for him, or why headlines like the one @KiD MoYeS posted would ring true. He's actually the only person in the whole Liverpool squad I wouldn't begrudge winning the title.
This probably precludes me from being a certain proper type of fan, but there you go.
Meh, perhaps, though I'm not quite as obsessed with England as some seem to think. Devout's a bit of a stretch. I go to games and will defend them against people who seem hugely wound up and offended by the very idea of an England team, sure. There are several England players I haven't liked. I don't actually like Gerrard either, I just don't get the hate. Plus he hasn't actually ever been particularly amazing for England. But he has been a very good servant for English football, this league and his team and I respect that, however grudgingly.
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It was a very good save though. The English media will always be biased to English players, especially in a WC year but there's nothing wrong with praising that save as it was good. If de Gea made that save people on here would probably be saying it's one of the best they've seen, go to the De Gea thread if you don't think it's true, there's been some games where he has literally had nothing to do and people still feel the need to praise him and say stuff like "Quiet day for de Gea....probably down to him organising the defence so well." I don't know what the media would say about that Hart save and why there's a reason to bring up past mistakes, it doesn't achieve anything by doing it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the talking up of big English players in a WC year. It's like when people get annoyed when they want English teams to win in the CL over the likes of Barca and Bayern, I don't see why there'd be any reason an English channel employing English people would want an English team to go out?
Don't quite get your point about Toure, it might be valid if Gerrard or Rooney won a POTY but a foreign player won it? It's also voted by players so has nothing to do with the media. Unless there was another award I didn't see, if that's the case then my mistake.
I dislike Gerrard because he got all sanctimonious about diving (the comments about Ronaldo) when he is one of the worst out there for blatant dives. I don't mind him kissing the camera etc.. as it's all part of the rivalry. I don't hate the guy by any stretch, and I think he's a brilliant player, but he's clearly a bit of a tool-box.
I thought the first one couldn't get any better
Oh I agree, I don't think the guy's a saint, I just personally dont feel the same "I hope he misses a penalty in the last minute a la Terry to ruin Liverpool's season" sentiment about him specifically. Suarez, sure, but.....Oh feck it, I'm bringing down the jovial tone of this thread, I'll piss off.
Paul Scholes:
Premier Leagues (11): 96, 97, 99, 00, 01, 03, 07, 08, 09, 11, 13
F.A. Cups (3): 96, 99, 04
League Cup (2): 09, 10
Charity Shield (5): 96, 97, 03, 08, 10
European Cup (2): 99, 08
Intercontinental (1): 99
FIFA Club (1): 08
U:18 European cup with England (1)
Games: 499, Goals: 155
26 major honours
Stevie Gerrard:
Premier Leagues (0):
F.A. Cup (2): 01, 06
League Cup (3): 01, 03, 12
Charity Sheild (2): 01, 06
European Cup (1): 2005
Uefa Cup (1): 01
Super Cup (2): 01, 05
Games: 472, Goals: 173
11 major honours
That only proves the team he played for is better. Odd way to try and prove something.
Voted 2nd place in the FWA 
Let's not do this. This thread is for laughing at Gerrard falling on his arse. Never forget that.
Voted 2nd place in the FWA
Deserved to win it on the basis of his huddle alone!
Toure doesn't have the stamina to play there at the highest level yet has forged a career playing there for Barcelona and Man City, accumulating various trophies along the way. Ok then.
Duh! He is a midfielder that scored 13 goals. Wow. So what if he scored 10 of those as penalties? Everyone loves him, so shut it.Voted 2nd place in the FWA
He played a static role in Barca's 433 and often blew up in Mancini's 4231 (which is why he mostly played him further forward). Pellegrini's 4222 works better but he isn't the perfect CM.
Agree regards Barcelona to an extent but at City he very rarely played further up, it was only late in games that he occasionally got pushed forward. He always sat alongside Barry or De Jong. I think his stamina is vastly underrated because he can be a bit lazy and his frame doesn't help because when he is out of breath he stands out more than anyone else. And not many players are capable of the runs he makes, if we saw every midfielder making the runs he does I'm sure Yaya wouldn't stand out as having particularly poor stamina.
The team was better because he was in it
2010-11 Barry and de Jong started over 30 games each.
True but he still very rarely started in an advanced role as a clear CAM, we all know how conservative Mancini's approach was that season and Yaya for the most part sat alongside De Jong and Barry with a huge reliance on Tevez up-front.
Don't blame Stevie if it all goes tits up, blame Everton.
Agree with this.
You're a big England fan, aren't you? I can fully understand why you wouldn't hate your nation's captain, in fairness.
Not really. I didn't like John Terry on the basis I follow my national team. I just don't hate Gerrard on the basis he plays for Liverpool.
Fair enough, I don't hate Gerrard either to be honest, I've great admiration for him, still didn't stop me crying tears of laughter reading this thread.
Who do you support more? England or United?
Gerrard, even with his diving and camera kissing, isn't all that hateable to me now that I think of it. So I can understand Mockney's point. I've given Gerrard his fair share of abuse when we play Liverpool, but other than that he doesn't bother me all that much. Maybe I'm softening up?
United, easily. Though it's not remotely a competition or conflict of interest. People massively overstate my England allegiance on here. I'm as big a fan as most people are of their national team (especially outside of big parochial hubs like Manchester & Liverpool) I just perk up about it a lot because England come in for a lot of lazy bashing and I go to games.
I do find International tournaments by far and away the best match going experience there is though, and get into it accordingly.
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