Apparently the two episode premier has been unleashed/shat out upon the world: did any of you see it? How was it?
Television Star Wars -The Acolyte
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the only thing I can remember liking in the prequels was the brief visit to Kamino, I liked the tall thin aliens, and at least it wasn't another scene on a desert planet. Then they went inside the facilities and had dialogue with terrible actors. For a brief moment, there, it looked like they were thinking with originality.
Wow, that's awesome.
He also didn't tell the Skywalkers to maybe change their last name.
Edit: Wait, were they even Skywalkers? In that case maybe not call the boy Luke Skywalker.
It's a farce at this point. People get fired after every new Marvel/Star Wars product because nobody watches them and the overall quality is absolute trash...and then the critical average ends up a full 40-50% above the viewer rating. The disconnect between people involved in the film/TV industry and those who consume film/TV is massive.
To be fair, fat nerds are probably really mad that
there is another group of force users and none of em have a penis.
The fights are awesome. They’ve gotten really good at making Jedi look like true masters of all fighting arts, and more than that, they’ve found a way to properly integrate fluid force powers into the melee of a fight. So approximately 6% of the content is amazing.
The other 94% is painfully gash.
It’s as though it’s made by a George Lucas wannabe reject who thinks the peak of film making is the Phantom Menace. They keep alive the Star Wars tradition of finding terrible actors to cast, and making good actors look wooden. The script appears to be written as part of some school project.
It’s honestly embarrassing Disney keep pissing all over Star Wars as much as this. The only thing that gives them any redemption is the utterly brilliant work from Tony Gilroy on Rogue One and Andor. You should probably skip the whole series and then just watch all the fight scenes back to back once all episodes are released. All the plot is contained therein anyway.
Oh and there’s a Jedi Wookiee.
Don’t anyone get on me about spoilers. You can call my reveals improvers. Because it would be impossible to spoil this floating galactic space trash.
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Probably, but I think the issues are much deeper and more extensive than misogyny from a specific cohort.
Imagine all force powers did eminent from your chap, but the stronger you became with the force, the less virile you became. Complete mastery of the force would equal complete impotence.
Would you?
Imagine it was in the real world, and you’d be the only person on planet earth to have access to the force. But it came with that trade off. Worth it?
I see they’ve continued the prequels tradition of casting the worst, most robotic child actors on the planet to play the ‘younglings’
Wot?
It’s pretty simple.
Majestic erections on demand and no force powers. Or a complete mastery of the force, in real world planet earth today, and as limp as a wet noodle?
Don’t tell me this is off topic. For all we know this is unwritten Star Wars canon. It would certainly explain all the wooden, forgive the pun, performances.
I thought this was widespread opinion? The prequels were properly naff. That said the Darth Maul fight was epic.
Entertained me for what it was. But it just isn't worthy of the Star Wars name.
I've seen some say the fights are good, I disagree. The first fight is basically just a Matrix ripoff, even stealing a line from the first film.
Disney have really screwed Star Wars. The strength of the first 6 films was that is was the vision of one man (person for the PC brigade). They really needed to double down on the single vision of someone who knew and respected the universe to put together a framework and timeline. Everything we get now just feels like fan fictions that don't respect eachother.
There is a reason Rogue One and Andor work, they a smaller stories set within the timeline of the existing pre-disney series. Because of this, they have to respect the continuity by definition and are better for it.
I've seen some say the fights are good, I disagree. The first fight is basically just a Matrix ripoff, even stealing a line from the first film.
Disney have really screwed Star Wars. The strength of the first 6 films was that is was the vision of one man (person for the PC brigade). They really needed to double down on the single vision of someone who knew and respected the universe to put together a framework and timeline. Everything we get now just feels like fan fictions that don't respect eachother.
There is a reason Rogue One and Andor work, they a smaller stories set within the timeline of the existing pre-disney series. Because of this, they have to respect the continuity by definition and are better for it.
Good post. I'd add Clone Wars to the list of things that work, which was also driven in large part by a singular vision.
Disappointing, but my expectations were probably too high because Russian Doll's first season was great (and 2nd season was still pretty good) and the lady showrunning this was one of the showrunners on that. I tend to think the writers are the main thing in TV, and ultimately Russian Doll is probably the best thing ever written by anyone doing one of these live action Star Wars TV shows not named Tony Gilroy.
Not unwatchable like the Obi-Wan show, because the structure/mystery sort of works so far and there are 2-3 genuinely good moments/cool ideas in each of the first two episodes, but it looked really cheap at times, particularly in the 2nd episode.
So far I'd guess it'll be closer to the bad Mandalorian seasons than the good first one, better than the truly crummy shows I couldn't finish (Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Obi-Wan) and miles off Andor.
I don't think you can underrate having the guy who wrote Michael Clayton doing the writing on those.
Great:
Andor
Really good:
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Fine:
The Mandalorian (some of it really good, some bad, which is better than straight down the line Ok)
Solo
Horrid:
Ahsoka
Obi Wan-Kenobi
The Book of Boba Fett
So horrible they should pretend it didn't happen and remake it:
The Rise of Skywalker
Agree with you on Russian Doll. It was a bit of a steep climb getting comfortable with that character but then it was pretty close to brilliant. Season 2 changed the whole meta narrative and was very interesting.
They made a show about high republic jedi and found a way to have no lightsabers.
Majestic erections please!
But wait, I already get those. I want at least something new.
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I watched these while meal prepping yesterday. Star Wars officially now occupies the same space that the Godzilla Monsterverse movies occupy - background noise where I lift my head for a few seconds when it sounds like something exciting is happening. What a sad state of affairs.
I didn't think it was THAT bad... but I was also barely paying attention. I don't think it would hold up as watchable if I was actually listening to the dialogue and such.
I didn't think it was THAT bad... but I was also barely paying attention. I don't think it would hold up as watchable if I was actually listening to the dialogue and such.
The Last Jedi and The Force Awakens being grouped in with Rogue One is certainly a bold take.
Great:
The Mandalorian S1 and S2
Rogue One
Good:
The Mandalorian S3(a huge step down from S1 and S2 though)
Decent:
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi(some praise for trying to be different, but the side-story is garbage and it's not really a star wars movie in a way) Despite the flaws, it has some of the best images in the star wars universe(even if the scenes don't make sense)
Bad:
Ahsoka(not even Hayden can save this junk)
The Book of Boba Fett
Obi-Wan(the chase scene automatically makes it bad, enjoyed Hayden's Vader though)
The Rise of Skywalker(and the death of the original story)
I haven't watched Andor ironically.
Yeah, I'm a big Gilroy fan (and like some of Edwards' stuff like Monsters) so maybe I need to revisit Rogue One, but in the theatre I thought Rogue One was quite good (didn't love the lead performance thought it was a bit bland) but Last Jedi was truly thrilling.
I know lots of people have some whole big thing about Last Jedi (or for it) based on politics or whatever non-artistic nonsense, and maybe I had a good crowd (though generally you do at these movies) but there was an electricity to the stuff that worked that I don't think any of the movies have gotten to since the original trilogy.
Force Awakens is the weakest of the 3, I should have put that and Mando season 1 in its own category below that one. Solidly competent with a winning quality that Solo lacked.
With each passing new Star Wars film or TV show from Disney, George Lucas looks more and more impressive. Not sure that's down to his vision or how terrible and all over the place Disney's output has been.
Rogue one is the best movie they have released since the first one.
Andor and the first 2 series of Mandalorian are the decent live action shows.
I still think Clone Wars and Rebels are better than anything since the first 3 films though. Better stores, better characters. And I'm old enough to have seen the first film in the cinema.
Andor and the first 2 series of Mandalorian are the decent live action shows.
I still think Clone Wars and Rebels are better than anything since the first 3 films though. Better stores, better characters. And I'm old enough to have seen the first film in the cinema.
I pretty much agree will all of this. I'd probably bump up The Last Jedi, but it's horrible watching it now and thinking, wait, Rey is a Palpatine? The Emperor literally made Snoke in a jar? The Rise of Skywalker is so bad it makes you feel silly for liking Star Wars in the first place.
I'd maybe move Rogue One down to fine. It looks good, there are some nice set pieces, and it set up the brilliant Andor, but all the Saw Gerrera/pilot/faux camaraderie does not work at all. I think one character calls Jyn 'little sister' before their kamikaze mission, and they'd not even spoke to each other in the film up until that point. It's a reasonably fun romp that drags for a lot of its runtime. The cameo at the end, coming off the back of a Return of The Jedi-style three-way climax makes it easier to forget its weaker first and middle sections.
I think I'm at the point where I'll just skip Acolyte. When Star Wars became more about the acrobatics, it lost what was special about it to begin with.
I was never into SW that much anyway so I don't know why I even bother with these shows but holy crap, this is even worse than Ahsoka and Obi. you can already tell after the first 5 minutes that literally zero effort went into it and there is no reason to continue watching.
4.6 on imdb
4.6 on imdb
Are people now pretending that the prequels were not utter shit so they can say it was Disney who ruined Star Wars?
It was big George who gave the world midichlorians, Binks, gungans, the holiday special and "i have the high ground".
Star Wars was more shit than good before the Mouse took over.
It was big George who gave the world midichlorians, Binks, gungans, the holiday special and "i have the high ground".
Star Wars was more shit than good before the Mouse took over.
Yes, its bizzare. The prequels were bloody awful.
My understanding is that it's mostly a generational thing where young people like the prequels (not sure what the cause of this is), but there are also Disney hating conservatives in America at least and that stuff tends to spread via its moneyed tentacles.
The prequels were fun in the theatre when I was a teen, but they're obviously terrible movies with a few fun scenes.
The prequels are melodramatic to the point of absurdity and overall not very good films, but they're miles better than anything Disney has done bar Rogue One and I guess the first Mandalorian season (I haven't seen Andor).
The prequels have a set of consistent themes, an overarching narrative that makes sense, and they compliment and inform the original trilogy well.
The sequel trilogy makes no sense in and of itself, and takes a sledgehammer to the plot of each previous movie. Rise of Skywalker is genuinely as stupid as any of the Fast & Furious movies of the last decade, Transformers sequels etc.
The prequels have a set of consistent themes, an overarching narrative that makes sense, and they compliment and inform the original trilogy well.
The sequel trilogy makes no sense in and of itself, and takes a sledgehammer to the plot of each previous movie. Rise of Skywalker is genuinely as stupid as any of the Fast & Furious movies of the last decade, Transformers sequels etc.
Miles better ? No.
They're equally awful.
They're equally awful.
We'll have to agree to disagree. To me, the main conflict of the prequels makes sense. The villain's aim makes sense. There are plenty of small contradictions sure, but the overall arc has a consistent theme and trajectory to me (even if it paints in incredibly broad, juvenile strokes).
Whereas the sequel trilogy seemingly has no idea what it wants to be. The "Somehow Palpatine returned" line pretty much sums it up.
Got halfway through the second episode and turned it off. What a load of guff. Bad characters, bad dialogue, poor writing.
Critical drinker saying it’s a load of old arse. I wasn’t going to watch it anyway, but if the reviews say it’s shit then I definitely won’t bother. I liked the obi wan show, but that’s the only Disney wars thing I’ve liked.
Critical Drinker is a wanker though.