And he mentions more stuff from the casino planet! The one story line that was already too long.Film Star Wars: Episode VIII
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And he mentions more stuff from the casino planet! The one story line that was already too long.Great film, up there with Empire for me.
Made it a fairytale again and broke free of all the increasingly tedious - and constraining - backstory... all those people 'waiting for years' for some expectation to be confirmed - that was the problem with Star Wars right there. Which I suppose is the reason the star wars trekkie types are upset.
Made it a fairytale again and broke free of all the increasingly tedious - and constraining - backstory... all those people 'waiting for years' for some expectation to be confirmed - that was the problem with Star Wars right there. Which I suppose is the reason the star wars trekkie types are upset.
The casino planet is as bad as anything in the prequels. Yet people are less happy to criticize this movie compared to prequels.
What was Johnson thinking when he shot that, and how did the executive producer allowed that shit to make the final cut?!
What was Johnson thinking when he shot that, and how did the executive producer allowed that shit to make the final cut?!
Exactly. Fans getting annoyed about characters/plot points that belong to the mythology around the movie, rather than what actually happened in movies, is ridiculous. Ackbar’s a completely insignificant character. How many lines has he had in previous movies? To anyone who hasn’t spent ages nerding out on non-movie Star Wars stuff (i.e. the vast majority of the audience) how he lives or dies would be a complete non-issue.
I do think a criticism I saw on youtube felt fair on the whole Finn-Rose arc.
It was said that the whole thing would have been avoided if Holdo had taken Poe to the side and told him she has a plan when he asked if she had any idea what she was doing at all.
Granted, it's a minor issue considering that they likely need Poe as a leader-figure for the last movie.
Didn't have a issue with Akhbar not being the one who did the sacrifice, but genuinely thought it would have been a good send-off for Leia, especially with her comment about not wanting to experience more losses. She knew she had lost her son and her love - and that was just her family. She seemingly saw Holdo as a capable leader and that the resistance lacked a proper leader outside of her if Leia passed away. Putting her chips into Poe maturing into a leader post-sacrifice instead of hoping to get two leaders out of it came across as a bit weird for me. Mind despite finding it weird, I didn't have major issues with Holdo being the one to do the sacrificing, I just think the logical thing to do would to have someone else old or have Leia do it if she truly was tired of losing people.
It was said that the whole thing would have been avoided if Holdo had taken Poe to the side and told him she has a plan when he asked if she had any idea what she was doing at all.
Granted, it's a minor issue considering that they likely need Poe as a leader-figure for the last movie.
Didn't have a issue with Akhbar not being the one who did the sacrifice, but genuinely thought it would have been a good send-off for Leia, especially with her comment about not wanting to experience more losses. She knew she had lost her son and her love - and that was just her family. She seemingly saw Holdo as a capable leader and that the resistance lacked a proper leader outside of her if Leia passed away. Putting her chips into Poe maturing into a leader post-sacrifice instead of hoping to get two leaders out of it came across as a bit weird for me. Mind despite finding it weird, I didn't have major issues with Holdo being the one to do the sacrificing, I just think the logical thing to do would to have someone else old or have Leia do it if she truly was tired of losing people.
WTF were the dice? Were they hanging from the rearview mirror in the Falcon in previous films? Why did they disappear?
Del Toro character was ridiculous.
Del Toro character was ridiculous.
They weren't really there, like Luke...he took them from the Falcon while it was on the island, and he never left the island, so he force projected them as well...must've been Leia's at some point...
D-d-d-d-don't be silly...
People nitpicking over minor details when we were treated to any number of outstanding cinematic moments, some amongst the best in the series. Wood for trees...
And tbf also some of the worst
The Star Destroyer being ripped in half at the end was visually probably the most impressive thing the series has ever done. I'll grant you that.
I read somewhere that they were very briefly shown in one of the previous films. I bet we'll see them in the Han Solo origin film next year.
who makes and hands out the secret rings? What do you have to do to get one? Is it like the Peoples Front of Judea interview?
Do you hate the First Order?
I do.
Oh yeah, how much?
A lot.
Right, you're in. Here's your ring.
Do you hate the First Order?
I do.
Oh yeah, how much?
A lot.
Right, you're in. Here's your ring.
There's gonna be a new trilogy centred around the ringmaker directed by Artavazd Peleshian.
Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars without a bit of cheese. Too late to complain now, we've had 40 years of it.
Of course this isn't what actually happened. You'll notice Kylo Ren and Hux featured in scenes after that as well.
Again, this was explained quite explicitly. In a brief moment of fear Luke activated his lightsaber but changed his mind. Kylo wakes up to see him with his lightsaber out and reacts instinctively.
That was entirely because he was his dad. Luke didn't go round the galaxy trying to lure every dark side person back to the light. He was perfectly happy to deal with bad guys.
You could very easily explain it as Ren lied to Rey about who her parents were because he thought it would fuel her rage and make her join him.
I only said it would be tough to make her a Skywalker now. They can obviously invent something to make her a descendent of another Jedi
It really is very poor. Ruined the whole film for me. Stupid little slow chase through space, 6 hours of fuel left, send the cavalry off to some distant planet. Such a shit terrible plot.
They could have just gone to lightspeed for about 500 feet and then come out.
Dice were part of the set since A New Hope. Only in A New Hope they were actual dice as we would recognise them and didn't have the Star Wars universe type. Changing this minor detail is inline with control panels in the Death Star being changed from their original English in the Special Editions.
Hope they don't. Star Wars began as a story about the little guy beating the big guys, and slowly turned into this story about a bunch of aristocrats fighting between themselves over which branch of the family gets to be king. That needed to be junked.
The whole "spark to light a fire"-thing was mentioned several times, and they showed that scene with the force sensitive, rebel sympathising kid in the end so there's a bit of your setup for the next one. It seems open enough to me that you can do almost whatever you want.
Agreed. The theme was that light would rise to fight the dark and anybody could rise up to fight the darkness. It was taking it back to the heroes journey and away from the increasingly insane mythology, many bits of which were born in dreadful comic books, novels and some (pretty decent) computer games.
I guess people could argue that this is at odds with 'the prophecy', but it was never really a very clear and the suggestion was that it was misread in the prequels. I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in a prophecy held by hundreds of Jedi who couldn't spot the obvious bad guy who worked in the office around the corner anyway.
Darth Maul did.
The only way I'd want to see Snoke again is some kind of force ghost tormeting Ren for being a murderous shit.
They jump to hyperspace with a bloody great lever, and the speed of light is 300,000km/s. Think it would be basically impossible to travel that short a distance.
I don't get the hate for it. It's nice to see the rest of the galaxy and the other 'grey area' perspective to the war between good and evil where people profit from both sides.
I feel like if you build a ship capable of lightspeed, with shields, lasers, massive guns that can bombard planets etc then you'd be able to control how far you jumped, and be a bit precise about it. Controlling it with a massive lever seems a little stupid.
Although officially canon, the idea that Darth Maul survived, got weird spider legs and then was returned to his original self is the perfect example of why they are wise to ignore the fluff written around the movies. 90% of people who go to the cinema don't know or care about it, and a lot of it is dreadful. Even the Thrawn trilogy, deal with it.
Enjoyed it other than the finale of the horse race where Finn and Rose say some shit about how good it was to get one over on the slavers or something. Episode 1 quality rubbish.
I think that is what it was for not just show Finn/Rose looking for this code breaker but show us show these mean rich people selling guns and the kids in slavery. To set up the final shot of the film.
Yep. It was just a bit too on the nose for me. That said, it's a kids movie and the world could probably do with some on the nose reminders of good and evil at the moment.
I’m torn on this. Saw it last night and enjoyed it. Then today I was thinking that a lot about the film annoyed me, maybe because it’s so different to other Star Wars films?
What’s the general consensus on here?
What’s the general consensus on here?
I think because that whole Finn/Rose story has some of the dumbest prequel-esque stuff in the entire film (BB-8 beating up prison guards with poker chips, BB-8 piloting an AT-ST) and also doesn’t really develop the characters of Finn/Rose. It’s a time sink in a 2.5 hour film.
In theory Finn’s arc is that he goes from only caring about Rey to being willing to sacrifice himself for the resistance, but quite how that self-sacrifice comes from learning that the entire Resistance/First Order conflict is just part of a larger military industrial complex is rather ???
There’s a lot of good, interesting ideas in the script (and in that sequence) but it really feels like it needed tightening / a second pair of eyes.
I guess the sequence also serves to set-up the coda with the stable boy, but I wasn’t fond of that either. Because the context is - the resistance has been whittled down to a handful of people, how will they continue the fight; the film’s answer = child soldiers?
Obviously I’m being flippant, I know the film wasn’t literally pro-child soldiers, but in the context of that planet’s storyline (focusing on the message that all conflict is a profit making enterprise) it’s another rather muddled theme. The Resistance is just part of a larger story in which the rich get richer and the poor are oppressed and sacrifice their lives for the conflict but yay the Jedi inspire people to join that conflict???
Not sure there is one, very mixed opinions.
The coda scene felt like it should have been the end of the trilogy. We think the jedi have died out but the force is still there. Unless we're going to fast forward 20 years that stable boy is irrelevant.
Her being so ridiculously overpowered though is a bit problematic if she doesn't have Skywalker blood. Only Anakin's potential (and Luke in the old canon) were described to be anything as powerful as Rey is showing. Without any training, she is doing feats that would make Jedi Masters feel proud.
They should have given some training to Rey, one way or another. Anakin was the chosen one but needed training, Luke had Anakin's potential and still needed training, while Rey who came from nowhere, doesn't seem to need any training. They should just make her an another chosen one and leave the Force create her, similar to how it happened with Anakin. With Snoke = Plagueis theory, that would be fairly easily, although a bit tiring considering that they played the same card with Anakin in the prequels.
Surprised to see this getting praise tbh. It's at least half an hour too long, probably more like an hour tbh, and just down right insufferable in places.
It's at best an average film, at worst a bad one.
It's at best an average film, at worst a bad one.
Force Awakens or The Last Jedi? Poll?
I think what sums up the Last Jedi for me -
When it was good it was great, when it was bad it was terrible.
I think what sums up the Last Jedi for me -
When it was good it was great, when it was bad it was terrible.
Yeah for me only the movies are canon. The rest is largely bullshit from what I've seen.
I guess it depends on interpretation. The whole cinema laughed at the BB8 poker chips scene, the AT-ST was weird. The child soldier stuff, I took that to mean as oppressed people around the world are being given hope by the stories being passed around as legend. Because we'd been introduced to the enslaved children already they just used them as an example.
Yeah, i'd quite like to see a poll on how people rated this film. Sure seems like the thread is pretty split.