Way to early too start comparing the two..Give Vidic another couple of seasons, and someone can bump this thread..
Stam V Vidic
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Precisely. Speaks volumes as to what he has done to the defence.
I wouldn't say it's "way too early" to compare them.
Stam had 3 seasons at Utd, won 3 titles, a European cup, and the FA cup.
Vidic has had 2.5 seasons here, won 2 titles, a European cup, and the league cup.
Vidic has nothing left to prove in that regard.
That's because Vidic is a better defender than any other centre back we've had since we signed Ferdinand.
He's not better than Ferdinand though.
If Vidic had been playing for all those years instead of Ferdinand I reckon we would have had a worse defensive record. Of course it's all hypothetical though.
Except for the season Rio was banned for being a bellend.
Yup, agreed here. Should have won another European cup last year aswell.
Your right its hypothetical.
I just think its wrong to say that Vidic looks average next to anyone other than Rio. When since he's got here Utd have two titles in a row. This is the indisputable fact.
What's interesting is that our defence in 99 was leaky as feck, but the individual components were quite solid. Schmikes in goal and G Nev, Stam, Johnsen/Berg, Irwin should have been fairly formidable, but I suppose that just shows how the collective philosophy of the team plays its part. The defence we have now surely benefits from having 2 deep lying midfielders in front of it.
Comparing medals is senseless. It's like saying David May > Vidic then.
In general yes, but not so much when Stam and Vidic were clearly important components of each team.
My point was regarding the age difference between the two players, not how many appearances they have made for Utd.
It was a valid point, Stam was in his prime, Vidic is just coming into his prime. It would be like going back a couple of seasons to 2005 and comparing Rio to Stam then..
Stop trying to be clever.
Edit: Quoting medals won, is meaningless in this debate.
How was I trying to be clever?
Stam was just over a year older than Vidic when he came to Utd. I don't know if that's enough of a idfference for the comparison not to be valid...
How was I trying to be clever?
Stam was just over a year older than Vidic when he came to Utd. I don't know if that's enough of a idfference for the comparison not to be valid...
Exactly..
Let Vidic play out the next couple of seasons, and someone can bump this thread.
I agree. I simply gave my opinion, but you attempted to rubbish it. I merely defended my opinion.
Right im off to bed.
I agree. I simply gave my opinion, but you attempted to rubbish it. I merely defended my opinion.
Right im off to bed.
I did not attempt to rubbish it. It's called debate. That's what you're on a forum for, in theory...
You defended it by accusing of trying to be clever. You were the one having a go.
Gnite.
Stam was an incredible physical specimen. He's very quick for his size, and in terms of physical ability he's better than Vidic. But for all his brave, strong tackles and headers, Stam is not very good positionally. Vidic makes the most of his attributes by using better positional sense, reading the game better, and being a little more aggressive, especially at the offensive end.
It's difficult to say who's better. But one intangible advantage he has is that he has a terrific understanding with his partner. Stam for all his ability, didn't play well with anyone in particular, except maybe for G. Neville.
It's difficult to say who's better. But one intangible advantage he has is that he has a terrific understanding with his partner. Stam for all his ability, didn't play well with anyone in particular, except maybe for G. Neville.
Stam had the qualities of both Rio and Vida.
Definitely Stam.
Stam was a monster of a man and quick as feck before his injury. If he partnered Rio
Stam was a monster of a man and quick as feck before his injury. If he partnered Rio
I thought this was a quantum physics thread at first.
Vidic v Stam, irresistable force v immovable object.
Vidic v Stam, irresistable force v immovable object.
i can only say this the impact of vidic is greater than stam. without the former, our defence seems in panic. while stam can provide confidence to the defence, his occasional absence still did not cause us any crisis
Stam no doubt, Vidic is overrated by us.
Stam, it's not even that close.
Vidic is mint but Stam was unbelievable and possibly the best defender in the world while he was with us. In that recent interview he did Fergie said he still thought selling Stam was his biggest mistake. Going from Stam to Blanc is in the same category as Schmeichel to Bosnich in terms of "omg what is happening to our team" moments.
Vidic is mint but Stam was unbelievable and possibly the best defender in the world while he was with us. In that recent interview he did Fergie said he still thought selling Stam was his biggest mistake. Going from Stam to Blanc is in the same category as Schmeichel to Bosnich in terms of "omg what is happening to our team
" moments.not sure about that , Stam is a nutter
Stam for sure. Basically Vidic with extra pace, extra aggression (Vidic is hard, but Stam scared strikers) and extra ball-playing ability. Vidic is better when going into the box for attacking headers though.
Vidic is an excellent defender.
Stam was arguably the best in the world when he was at his peak. Him with Rio could've been the greatest central defence partnership of all time.
Vidic is an excellent defender.
Stam was arguably the best in the world when he was at his peak. Him with Rio could've been the greatest central defence partnership of all time.
Fergie's usually spot on in selling players for at the right time and for the right price. Unfortunately that does not hold true for Stam, even though we did make profit selling him.
Stam > Vidic.
But Stam took drugs.
Stam > Vidic.
But Stam took drugs.
Stam.
Why oh why did we sell him?
Why oh why did we sell him?
I think Vidic has made Rio into a better player. Since Vidic has been in the team, Rio's been magnificent. That can't be a coincident. And Stam wasn't a ball playing defender.
I'd put Stam closer to Rio's level. Unlike Vidic, he was never left wanting for pace. He was really good.
Stam was an absolute beast at his best. Vida is a fan favourite however and has time on his side... its a tough one.
Plenty of people seem to feel you can't make a judgement on a player until you've been watching them for 5-10 years...
I would have said that was true till I saw the Champions League Final. He was a collusus for us and definitely has the right to be called a world class defender.
Jip Jaap, but only just. The reason being is that, like others have said he didnt have a settled partner next to him, and none of Berg, May and Johnsen are in the same league as Rio.
Are you having a laugh? The guy has been world-class, fact.
They compliment each other very well.
Stam was generally the defender most likely to come out with the ball from the defence, and pick out a midfielder - Rio like. He also had Johnsen by his side, who was excellent on the ball.
I reckon the best player to compare Vidic with was Bruce.
Let's wait about four years for a good verdict.
Vida is 27, he can even improve and win more.
Vida is 27, he can even improve and win more.