They’re a country which is prepared to go to war at any moment with North Korea just next to them.
It’s called being prepared.
South Korean President declares martial law, accuses opposition | Martial law lifted
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It’s called being prepared.
They're prepared to enforce a spurious declaration of martial law and attempt to arrest members of parliament because they are prepared to go to war with North Korea?
It was a declaration made at the dead of night and the political party of the president seemingly unaware beyond co-conspirators. There was no crisis unfolding. Military leaders did not call for the parliament to be informed, they did not ask for clarification.
Preparation for war is not grounds for uncritically participating in a coup.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/south-korea-martial-law-live-blog/104681648
Good. Get the bastard out of office.
They should?
Isn't the fact that this was almost instantly called off a sign that it worked?
How nice of him.
Majority of soldiers aren’t trained to think. They’re trained to listen to orders. Most of them probably have no idea what the hell is happening too.
If the president calls for martial law, they’re expected to listen to orders if the higher ups in the military endorses it.
Blame the president and the corrupt leaders in the military.
That's who we're blaming.
Premature ejaculation. It's not even on yet
What an incredibly surreal series of events.
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1170893.html
Honestly, thank feck he didn't pull it off. The lawmakers who made it to the assembly and those that surrounded it and kept it running are heroes. The failiure looks funny now but it was pretty close to working.
Honestly, thank feck he didn't pull it off. The lawmakers who made it to the assembly and those that surrounded it and kept it running are heroes. The failiure looks funny now but it was pretty close to working.
So summarised:
1. The President declared martial law despite none of the conditions for doing so being true.
2. The military obeyed regardless.
3. The President then tasked the military with blocking the parliament so that the lawmakers would lose their only way to rescind the declaration.
4. After martial law was rescinded it took almost 1 hour (?) before the military stood down because they still awaited confirmation from the President.
That's 4 major events in a row that should not happen. Surely SK need to take a look their constitution and make some big changes now? What would have happened if the military had succeeded in blocking the vote?
But damaged the economy nonetheless, on a whim.
Protest and bloodshed most probably.
I think what happened is the president and/or some generals got cold feet. After so many rules broken already they could have just said the vote is illegal because political assembly is banned and they are all traitors - then force their way into the parliament and arrest everyone.
Instead he probably thought - no, this dictator shit is really not for me, how can I walk back from this avoiding jail...
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Yeah, that is what feels way worse to me here and does not get focussed on nearly enough by the media. They all seem to focus on Yoon and his aides, but the readiness with which the military was willing to implement martial law is the truly shocking thing for me here.
In blatant disregard of the law the military instantly declared the cessation of all political activity, including that of the National Assembly who would be the ones able to legally roll back the declaration of martial law. They then tried to blockade and enter the building of the Assembly. And after the Assembly voted unanimously to roll back martial law they proceeded to ignore it and declared that they'd keep it up until the president told them to stand down.
Certainly there must have also been at least a solid batch of traitors in the upper echelons of the military as well. And they sure seemed to be ready to keep continuing until Yoon got cold feet and rescinded martial law.
Yeah, that is what feels way worse to me here and does not get focussed on nearly enough by the media. They all seem to focus on Yoon and his aides, but the readiness with which the military was willing to implement martial law is the truly shocking thing for me here.
In blatant disregard of the law the military instantly declared the cessation of all political activity, including that of the National Assembly who would be the ones able to legally roll back the declaration of martial law. They then tried to blockade and enter the building of the Assembly. And after the Assembly voted unanimously to roll back martial law they proceeded to ignore it and declared that they'd keep it up until the president told them to stand down.
Certainly there must have also been at least a solid batch of traitors in the upper echelons of the military as well. And they sure seemed to be ready to keep continuing until Yoon got cold feet and rescinded martial law.
South Korea seems like a weird spot at the minute. Don't they have a really bad problem with incels/misogyny at the moment as well?
I agree.
I don't care how bravely the citizens and lawmakers fought: if the military used actual force (which they could have done under legitimate martial law), then the vote would have been stopped in 2 seconds. The fact that they didn't is a sign of confusion, cold feet or defiance.
The scary part is what would have happened if they actually started firing, genuinely believing that they were in the right.
going back to my original post....there are going to be seriously awkward conversation about why the military was so eager to carry this out. This stunt is going to open some old wounds i'd imagine.
I'd think firing at unarmed lawmakers is a rubicon that even regular soldiers might refuse to cross - they are not something like Waffen SS troops who would carry out any order. You need specially selected people for this sort of things. I doubt the president had those (unlike Putin).
And he (and his conspirators) probably knew that even if one bullet hits a person, the only way out of this is either to go full Pinochet or be dead before the end of the year.
The opposition has been predicting this for a little while now.
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1157003.html
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1156787.html
https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240903050720
Yoon has plenty of cronies in the military. The failure is probably more down to incompetence than anything else. This story could get wilder as it goes on, it's entirely possible, for example, that Yoon could've made the call on the advice of his wife's shamen.
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1157003.html
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1156787.html
https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240903050720
Yoon has plenty of cronies in the military. The failure is probably more down to incompetence than anything else. This story could get wilder as it goes on, it's entirely possible, for example, that Yoon could've made the call on the advice of his wife's shamen.
Wouldn't it be a bigger question if they didn't act out an executive command? Or are you saying the president has no such authority?
Also it's not like the really enforced it, they allowed the assembly to vote. If they'd have enforced it they'd have been a lot of people hurt and arrested.
They tried to enforce it without using deadly force, but got pushed back. If they were allowed in the assembly the vote most likely would not have happened.
Exactly that, it was pretty close to success.
Presidential orders still do not go above the law. None of the prerequisites for martial law were fulfilled, and Yoon did not follow correct procedures after the declaration either. You don't get to ignore that as a military commander and just focus on whatever the president says instead. And even under martial law you still don't get to issue orders that go against the constitution, like preventing the National Assembly to convene.
And as for them "allowing the assembly to vote"... is that the impression that you got when they tried to blockade and break into the assembly? When Park An-Su issues the order that "the activities of the National Assembly, local councils, political parties, political associations, rallies, demonstrations, and other political activities shall be prohibited." and that "Violators of the above proclamation may be arrested, detained, and searched without a warrant"? Does that really sound like they allowed that vote to happen to you? The impression that I got was that the military was slow and sloppy in their attempt to block the assembly, and that they probably did not expect the assembly members to gather this quickly and push their way into the building, coming to such a quick unanimous decision. Their paratroopers still tried to break into the building when the vote was in session and only retreated after it had passed. Thank feck that they did not seem prepared to actually get violent over it.
@FireballXL5 , have you heard from your niece? My brother got back to me before. He slept through all the drama and isn't worried in the slightest.
But the vote happened almost 2 hours after martial law was declared. Are you saying that the full might of the military (minus shooting and actually killing obviously) wasn't enough to stop a bunch of politicians in the middle of Seoul, with a 2 hour deadline? I'm not saying that it didn't happen like this, but surely that would be the most incompetent military operation ever.
Putting people in positions of power based on their loyalty rather than their competence often leads to incompetence. I really wouldn't be surprised if they had to organise at very short notice. As I mentioned earlier, there's every possibility that this was done on a whim, because Yoon was drunk or his wife's shamen advised it.
Yes mate, thanks for your concern. She and all her friends seemed quite amused by the whole fiasco!
The true Martial FC?
Joke 1:
The solutions to the so-called "male loneliness epidemic" are getting wilder and wilder.
Joke 2:
Men will literally declare martial law instead of visiting a therapist.
That's some shit I wouldn't expect to hear from the maga lot . I thought Korea was somewhat sensible...
Two of their last three Presidents (before this one) were recently in prison for abuse of power and corruption, and the one before that was suspected of bribery when he committed suicide.
Korea is... Korea.
Corruption is everywhere , it's actually commendable they can put a former head of state in jail. Not every country can do that.
Justifying a coup attempt with "He was lonely" though
