5 families (chaebols) are behind more than 60% of the country's GDP. That's just asking for corrupt politicians.
South Korean President declares martial law, accuses opposition | Martial law lifted
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5 families (chaebols) are behind more than 60% of the country's GDP. That's just asking for corrupt politicians.
Yep. It's commendable that they've managed to convict former Presidents of corruption, but probably there's a whole lot of corruption that is being missed.
Are they trying to spare Yoon the executioner or prison and instead have him put into a mental asylum, or what's the angle there? No way can they think that reasoning like "he was lonely" or "he wanted to send a message even if he knew the martial law state wouldn't last" does in any way excuse his actions.
People need to watch the movie "New World" to understand how these korean corporate families operate.
His party opposes impeachment...
What's the party's angle here? "yes, our guy declared martial law without telling us and tried to stage a coup trying to stop investigations on his wife's corruption, but the other guy's worse"
It seems the plan is to try and ride it out and hope it goes away. It doesn't seem like a good plan but Yoon's crowd make up most of the senior prosecutors so there's every chance that the 'investigation' into Yoon mentioned earlier will result in the opposition leader being prosecuted again.
Bruh? 
Bruh?
I spoke to someone over there today, there's a strong feeling that this is far from over. There will be a very big protest in Seoul on Saturday which could well be a catalyst for another attempt. It's looking like his party will remain united to protect him (only 8 members need to vote against him but it's unlikely). The ruling right wing party have demonised the opposition leader in somewhat the same way the tories did with Corbyn (closest analogy I could think of) and would do pretty much anything to keep him from power. It's a really fecked up situation that has the potential to turn quite nasty.
I wonder if Korean soldiers have something similar to what I had when I served, where we were being told, repeatedly and as early as in basic training, that we not only have the right to refuse unlawful orders, but an actual moral and legal duty to do so. I of course don't expect any random grunt to know the letter of the law, but it certainly can be expected at least from any commissioned officer that they check the validity of their orders before putting their own country under martial law.
I'm still kind of baffled by what happened. I guess it's the level of audacity in attempting this, and then saying "meh, calm down, I just wanted to send a message".
There may yet be method to it, there are a few theories floating about. The obvious answer is that Yoon's an idiot though.
It would be an astounding amount of idiocy though, to the point of unrealistic. "My wife is being investigated and I don't like the opposition, let me declare martial law that hasn't happened since the early 80s".
Has the feel of testing the waters for something else in the future but that would be the conspiracy theorist in me.
That's one of the theories. I do know that there has been a recent training exercise centred around triaging civillian casualties and that everyone assumed it was practice for an issue with N Korea. Like you say, a bit conspiratorial
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The president's PPP party is starting to switch from "we ask Yoon to leave the party but will not support an impeachment" to now "he is a great danger to democracy and should be suspended from office or else he might attempt the same or something similar again", but without outright saying they'll vote in favour of the impeachment. All it took was evidence that their party leader was on the target list alongside several opposition politicians. Suddenly becomes a different equation when your own head is on the chopping block, eh?
That would be Lee Jae-myung, leader of the Democratic Party, an absolute piece of work tied up in numerous serious domestic and cross-border scandals. For a taste of his character, here he is trying to get his own brother locked up in a psychiatric facility:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seoulite.tv/home/lee-jae-myung-psychiatric-hospital?format=amp
The stink around this guy is unending but had to be topped off when he went on a preposterous self-aggrandizing hunger strike to drum up pity at the prospect of him having to face justice. He is no Kim Dae-jung.
The friends I have over there see him in quite a good light. One thing that's clear is that everyting is very polarised over there, it's really difficult to know what to believe, particularly when not having the cultural experience. I know that their perspective is that a lot of the corruption charges against him are vindictive. I've got no strong view on it except to say that my friends have been telling me how dangerous and stupid Yoon is for the last couple of years and it does rather look like they're right about that.
South Korean president survives impeachment vote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw22k2z0rdoNow what?
Eventful position
Some criminal prosecution will likely follow
Love the
Reads like "almost certainly also guilty of all sorts of stuff, but nobody was able to make anything stick"
What terrifies me the most about the SK leadership is that seemingly the entire political elite are heavily into whacky extremist religious cults.
Who had Mein Kampf on their bingo?Wasn't Shinzo Abe in the moonies or something too.
Allegedly they tried a false flag attack and blame NK.
This was planned in such a thorough way , I now wonder what happened prior to Yoon calling it off. Him getting cold feet was more likely if it was an impulse decison but doesnt look that way. Perhaps calls with some other countries leaders ?
For so much planning they seemed rather reckless about holding back legislators from voting down the martial law. What a bizarre chain of events to be honest.
I agree something doesn't really add up, but that's on top of the bonkers decision to even organise a coup in the first place. Oh well I guess it's a Korea thing.
The level of detail coming out of this is insane. The impeachment block by his party is looking dumber and dumber by the minute. Democracies not holding wannabe dictatorships to account only gives the space to try and validate their actions. Not only should he have been impeached, there should've been police waiting at the vote to then arrest him.
Absolutely pathetic by the parliament.
Absolutely pathetic by the parliament.