South Africa vs India

amolbhatia100 said:
So you didn't watch the last two times we toured England then. Nice.

If you're talking about the likes of Sehwag and Gambhir rather than Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid, then you may have a point. But fact is we beat you in your backyard last time, drew the time before that, so it's all for your lot to prove.

I think batsman in general have become poor against the swinging ball because it doesn't happen that often days. In fact even we seem to have better chances of winning tests these days when the pitch swings because our seamers depend heavily on lateral movement.

So for me it really depends on whether our golden oldies - Sachin, Dravid and Laxman - can go that long or whether they will begin fade away. Those three play swing as good as any in the world, better actually.

But as I said, it's been too long since I saw a decent England team against us. We seem to get better results in swinging conditions year after year, so in that sense no reason to believe we can't win again.
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Last time India toured in England the English didn't have a bowling attack. They will have next summer. Tendulkar has had some big scores in England on good batting pitches. But a closer look to his actual scores will tell you that he often got out for low scores in swinging conditions in England. Dravid & Laxman are more suited to English conditions.
I think you'll get your wish this summer. English cricket is very much on the up and India are in for a right old scrap. I don't think you win the 20/20 WC and then come to Australia and domiate the Ozzies in a way we haven't seen since the great West Indies side without being a decent side.
 
Rams said:
Last time India toured in England the English didn't have a bowling attack. They will have next summer. Tendulkar has had some big scores in England on good batting pitches. But a closer look to his actual scores will tell you that he often got out for low scores in swinging conditions in England. Dravid & Laxman are more suited to English conditions.
I think you'll get your wish this summer. English cricket is very much on the up and India are in for a right old scrap. I don't think you win the 20/20 WC and then come to Australia and domiate the Ozzies in a way we haven't seen since the great West Indies side without being a decent side.
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The first part is just false. This is sachin you're talking about. As good as laxman snd dravid have been, sachin pisses all over them. You don't become the greatest by struggling on swinging conditions.

I remember David and sachin getting hundreds and us beating you on a pitch that was doing everything. Those are just excuses. It always swings in England. But if you're technically class which those two always have been, you'll score lots, which they have done. Excuses.

Australia are progressively becoming worse. So its not the achievement it would have been some years back. Good achievement nonetheless.

I'm sure your a decent side, just saying let's not twist the past around.
 
Rams said:
Last time India toured in England the English didn't have a bowling attack. They will have next summer. Tendulkar has had some big scores in England on good batting pitches. But a closer look to his actual scores will tell you that he often got out for low scores in swinging conditions in England. Dravid & Laxman are more suited to English conditions.
I think you'll get your wish this summer. English cricket is very much on the up and India are in for a right old scrap. I don't think you win the 20/20 WC and then come to Australia and domiate the Ozzies in a way we haven't seen since the great West Indies side without being a decent side.
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Current Aussie team is really poor. We drew a series against them when they still had likes of McGrath, Waugh about.
 
crappycraperson said:
Current Aussie team is really poor. We drew a series against them when they still had likes of McGrath, Waugh about.
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That was a fine achievement IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a lot of lbw decisions that didn't go our way in the final test (which I think was Steve Waugh's last). I remember feeling a bit aggrieved.
 
And as for our bowling attack, when there is seam movement they can be quite brilliant. Problem is consistency. Zaheer is the one who is just consistently top notch. The likes of Sreesaanth, Sharma, Nehra and in the past Pathan, Patel etc have all in spurts been really good, but seem to lose their way. We're really bad in managing our fast bowlers I feel. They all have spurts of success and then just fall away.

Apart from that consistency we lack one genuine quick. Otherwise there's not all that much wrong. But it's taking a while to get right.

Sreesaanth has been great today.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
That was a fine achievement IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a lot of lbw decisions that didn't go our way in the final test (which I think was Steve Waugh's last). I remember feeling a bit aggrieved.
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That was because Parthiv Patel had a howler in that Sydney test, we trashed their bowling and scored around 700 iirc.
 
39 centuries for Kallis and he's got 200+ wickets. Surely this generation's greatest cricketer?
 
He managed to turnover his career brilliantly after a small slump in the middle.

amolbhatia100 said:
That was a fine achievement IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a lot of lbw decisions that didn't go our way in the final test (which I think was Steve Waugh's last). I remember feeling a bit aggrieved.
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I didn't mind a draw as a sort of respect to Steve. It would have been sad to see out such a career with a loss.

But the lot of decisions against us didn't sit well at all. Since we have bought up the decision controversy, I just can't get BCCI's opposition regarding UDRS?
 
Haha you have to laugh at us on that one.

Turning a great piece of luck for us into a situation where we lost a wicket!

:lol:
 
The Taurean said:
I didn't mind a draw as a sort of respect to Steve. It would have been sad to see out such a career with a loss.

But the lot of decisions against us didn't sit well at all. Since we have bought up the decision controversy, I just can't get BCCI's opposition regarding UDRS?
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Ah so I was right about that.

I don't get that either. It's perfectly logical to have it especially given the nature of cricket as a sport.
 
Staind sledging Sachin. Surely that's a 5 match ban.

The last 4 posts in this thread are mine. This is sad :(
 
India always wind me up for some reason.

The only player i find tolerable is Tendulkar - it's impossible not too be in awe of him.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Staind sledging Sachin. Surely that's a 5 match ban.

The last 4 posts in this thread are mine. This is sad :(
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I'm watching the match.. just not posting because not many people on here seem to be.

Some terrific bowling from Steyn and Morkel early in the day. Very well left by Sachin and Gambhir for most of the time..
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Staind sledging Sachin. Surely that's a 5 match ban.

The last 4 posts in this thread are mine. This is sad :(
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Trouble is the 'time' - we have to sleep some time !! :D

They should start all tests at the same time 'Greenwich' If that means tests have to start at 3am in one country and 4pm in another so be it. As long as it lines up with UK TV and time that's all that matters!

At least we can watch in our own comfort time and zone! . ;)
 
Jopub said:
Trouble is the 'time' - we have to sleep some time !! :D

They should start all tests at the same time 'Greenwich' If that means tests have to start at 3am in one country and 4pm in another so be it. As long as it lines up with UK TV and time that's all that matters!

At least we can watch in our own comfort time and zone! . ;)
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Heh

Given the amount of people that watch cricket in India that wouldn't make much sense now would it.
 
That was a bit silly by Laxman. When you see the batsman coming down the pitch to a fairly straight delivery, stop ambling out of your crease!
 
This is the phase which will probably decide which way the match swings. If we can see off this new ball then should be able to pile on some runs. Steyn gets a couple then I can see us bundling out for even less than 300.
 
Zing, seemed you were spot on about Steyne. He's finally got his wicket today, but he's been utterly brilliant throughout. Yes, the conditions suit pacers but this series I've seen what you were on about. Looks a proper pacer. Pace and swing, and great control.
 
Those runes Kallis added with the tail may just win them the match. We reduced them to 280 odd for 8 with our second new ball as well. C
 
Once again I bow down to the greatest batsman. He'll probably get out soon the way the wicket is playing but 51 fecking hundreds. It's like a cheat code.

And once again he's done it when we needed him most. 38-2 (I think) it was, and had he gone we would have been totally fecked.
 
That was a rather anti-climatic century.. big drama usually when Sachin is in the 90s.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Zing, seemed you were spot on about Steyne. He's finally got his wicket today, but he's been utterly brilliant throughout. Yes, the conditions suit pacers but this series I've seen what you were on about. Looks a proper pacer. Pace and swing, and great control.
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Averages less than 25 in almost all countries..

I honestly think he's going to go down as one of the best ever. All these averages on flat pitches around these days. A seven-for in Nagpur on a flat, flat wicket against us.

His strike rate is better than anyone who's played the game ever.. above Marshall, Garner, Holding, Lillee, Thompson, Akram, McGrath.. everyone.
 
zing said:
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Averages less than 25 in almost all countries..

I honestly think he's going to go down as one of the best ever. All these averages on flat pitches around these days. A seven-for in Nagpur on a flat, flat wicket against us.

His strike rate is better than anyone who's played the game ever.. above Marshall, Garner, Holding, Lillee, Thompson, Akram, McGrath.. everyone.
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Interesting. I'd still wait for a good bit before making such bold claims. A lot of bowlers who are unplayable fade away as quickly as they rose.

I would like to add that batsman are getting more and more inept against swing bowling because technique has gone out the window. And in addition to poor technique, you have nice bowling conditions in SA.

Case in point - MS Dhoni. Apparently number 1 batsman not too long back in the batting ratings. How obvious was it that Steyne would rip him apart? I mean, really, the guy averages 50 or something and has barely been tested against swing. That's cricket today for you.
 
Okay that's enough. Sachin needs to go after them. He's clearly not going to get any support, ever. Does my fecking head in.
 
next 10 overs utterly crucial.. can't see us surviving it unless Sachin takes up a lot more of the strike.
 
Only problem is, how do you go after a bowling like this on a wicket like this?
 
crappycraperson said:
This is the phase which will probably decide which way the match swings. If we can see off this new ball then should be able to pile on some runs. Steyn gets a couple then I can see us bundling out for even less than 300.
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So easy to predict...

Gambhir getting out before new ball has really hurt us. Would have been best suited to see out the new ball again.
 
zing said:
next 10 overs utterly crucial.. can't see us surviving it unless Sachin takes up a lot more of the strike.
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Sachin is doing really well to survive. What I said a minute or two was premature. You can't go after them, it's not really possible the way they're bowling. And I can't see the others surviving so..
 
New ball is absolutely talking. Needed someone to survive with Sachin the first 10 overs. In huge trouble now.
 
crappycraperson said:
So easy to predict...

Gambhir getting out before new ball has really hurt us. Would have been best suited to see out the new ball again.
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I think the Laxman wicket was really crucial. Very unfortunate way to get out. Swings and roundabouts, I guess. Kallis got out the same way in the last test.
 
Smith being a prick as usual. Hope Sreesanth gets under his skin again.
 
:lol:

It hit the wicket!

Smith is like the new Ponting. I hope they find like hell for that reaction.
 
Wow. Steyn hits the off stump, and the bails don't fall! South Africans all go up furiously for the knick but it was actually the right call by the umpire. Incredible stuff.
 
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