after watching the youtube video I decided that I'm not impressed and he's not worth it.
Sotiris Ninis
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What are you talking on that the Glazers don't have hearts? They do have hearts so why would you talk that thing? There human beans of course they are having hearts too because you are not a human bean so you are not even knowing! Why don't you try and know before you start to talk at things like this your not knowing?! Saying they are not hearts is not right correct because you only know what is on you're head and not anything that is on offside it! Your not a human bean anyway so your wont even worth the talk of my voice!
I saw Ninis play a fair bit this past season and while, IMO, he impresses me more than Greece's other important players, he is certainly too lightweight to play for United. He would need a serious bulking up program as even Pana supporters reckon that he is too lightweight for CL play, let alone for the PL.
You have a serious problem and are a boring individual with no sense of humour. Now go and play Glazer monoply with GCHQ and Roodboy
So here we go again then another totally unproven unheard of youngster who may or may not be good enough for us in about 5 years, whilst the first team continues to get neglected.
Just how many of these do we actually want? Has it become our policy to sign every single unheard of kid in world football?
Yes but you dont want to hear my reasoning, you wont agree
No becasue your reasoning is wide of the mark, you keep telling us theres no money to spend,were skint, were fecked, etc etc when infact there is money to spend (its being spent!) were just spending it totaly bizzarely thats my point, just becasue were not signing players for individually large fees and instead breaking it down between 3 or 4 dosnt mean its not money being spent, we spent 20 million alone in january on Smalling and Hernandez, 20 million! Madrid have just bought Di Maria for that to put it into context, my point being the money IS clearly there to sign these players, its being spent crerand, my point is its being spent wrongly:
Obertan
Hernandez
Smalling
Diouf
Between them come close to 30 million outlay, 30 million (a lot of money gone out), had we spent that money on say a David silva in one large sum no one would have an argument on the money issue, its just because its broken down over multiple transfers it dosnt look much but add it together and were spending big money, just not correctly in my opinion...i dont want to keep seeing 15 year old after 15 year old coming through the door at the expense of improving the first team (which clearly needs investment), instead of spending 30 million over 6 months on unheard of youngsters why not spend it on someone wholl improve the side and is of proven quality?, the moneys obviously ther to do it as everyone can see its being spent, just not in lump sum figures.
So no Crerand i dont agree with your argument becasue its proven totaly wrong, the money is there to spend we can see it being spent we spent more than any of our rivals in january alone (20 million) we just seem to have a constant hard on for signing youngsters over and over and over again, as if weve become allergic to signing players whove been through the puberty stage.
What ever you say, I am refraining from getting into anymore ill will about the finances of the club. If you do get the chance watch that panorama programme again which was made by the beeb and I had nothing to do with it
Why would i need to watch a programme that said nothing whatsoever about our transfers on a topic regarding our transfers?? your obsessed with that panaroma programme arnt you, very odd really seeing as most seem to agree it was one of the poorest structured programmes most have ever seen with not a single interview from any relevant source.
Are you saying we havnt spent over 30 million on the youngsters i mentioned? we got them on a free did we? just so were clear here.
Your also denying we spent 20 million in january on Smalling and Hernandez yes? again they came free did they seeing as we have no money an all...?
You seem blinded my friend, the moneys there, its being spent its just an undeniable fact, its just being spent wrong in my view....you however are totaly wide of the mark as per usual and continue to deny whats out there in front of you.
Are you saying we havnt spent over 30 million on the youngsters i mentioned? we got them on a free did we? just so were clear here.
Your also denying we spent 20 million in january on Smalling and Hernandez yes? again they came free did they seeing as we have no money an all...?
You seem blinded my friend, the moneys there, its being spent its just an undeniable fact, its just being spent wrong in my view....you however are totaly wide of the mark as per usual and continue to deny whats out there in front of you.
Ok you dont believe the beeb or me thats your choice, anyhow Im not posting on this subject so lets move on, thanks
Just so were clear though, did Hernandez/Smalling/Obertan/Diouf and co all come on free transfers? simple question.
, the funny thing is that program on the beeb, said we did have money.
I know but please dont spoil it for him, hes got it on sky record!
So anyone any idea on this lad?
Ask someone else or read the now dozens of pages in the Manchester United forum. In case you think I am avoiding answering as I said I no longer wish to contribute to or draw out this debate any further.
So your basically refusing to answer the very simple question becasue you know full well the factual answer to the question blows a thousand holes in everything youve been spouting on here regarding our finances....fair enough id be avoiding it like the plague to if id been saying some of the stuff you have on here....'were skint, were broke, we have no money' whilst finding out weve spent over 30 million in the last 6 months....ooops.
Hes greek.
My opinons can be found on all matters relating to this on the proper forum. By the way you have just been insluted on the season ticket thread run along and fight with him Im not interested
All im asking you is were the signings of Hernandez/Smalling/Diouf and co all free transfers? its really not a difficult one to answer, i dont see the problem really.
I refer you to my previous post
Its ok to admit you were wrong crerand, weve all been there, its best to embrace it rather than live in constant denial....Ask gambs, he fully embraces his alcoholism and instead of fighting it he just gets pissed and enjoys life.
You can find my answers on the proper forum, that Datura is a right chap
The 'beeb' didn't say anything, you thick cnut, it was Andersred!
FAO everyone else: Don't bother arguing with Crerand, he's retarded.
Sorry but that is reported. You obviously don't know anybody that is genuinely retarded, awful comment
you can't report someone for calling you a retard, it's a staple Caf insult. I do know a proper div as it happens though, and next to you he looks like f**king Einstein.This potential signing only had cocks at half mast to begin with but this last page has sent them limp.
Has any even close to credible source reported this story?
Has any even close to credible source reported this story?
So, has anyone seen him play? is he good enough? are we actually likely to sign him?
This potential signing only had cocks at half mast to begin with but this last page has sent them limp.
Has any even close to credible source reported this story?
Sorry but that is reported. You obviously don't know any genuinely credible sources, awful comment.
i follow panathinaikos (blame the greek parents) closely so heres my opinion on ninis....
ninis is a very talented footballer , 1 with great promise , but i agree with others he may be too lightweight for the rough and tumble of the premier league week in week out....he scores goals from midfield , can play a killer pass and has great vision but comparing the greek league to the EPL just cant be done.........
i see him being in the tozic mode, biting his time , playing a lot of reserve team football as well as possibly being loaned out , and i think youll see the best of him in about 2 or 3 years........
ninis is a very talented footballer , 1 with great promise , but i agree with others he may be too lightweight for the rough and tumble of the premier league week in week out....he scores goals from midfield , can play a killer pass and has great vision but comparing the greek league to the EPL just cant be done.........
i see him being in the tozic mode, biting his time , playing a lot of reserve team football as well as possibly being loaned out , and i think youll see the best of him in about 2 or 3 years........
Would he really want to come here for 2 years worth of reserve football? and at £9M I'd say he's massively overpriced if we are going to wait that long to get anything from him.
I'm not convinced that Hernandez and Smalling cost £20m. Almost every signing that we make, and particularly involving young players with potential, is based on a relatively small initial fee with add-ons for future success. The reason that we never get a straight answer any more is because all fees are undisclosed, so you have to wonder where the media are getting their information from, particularly as there are often several different fees mentioned.
I would imagine that both of those players cost much closer to £7m each, but even if we use the £10m figure, that still means that there is a very good chance that, should we decide that these players aren't good enough for United, or if we perhaps find other players that are better suited, we won't lose any money on the transfer and might even make a small profit. You have to wonder why that suddenly seems so important.
I agree that there is money to spend, but how much is obviously an open question given that much of the money that is currently in the bank may well be used for other purposes. You could then argue that in those circumstances the money that we do spend becomes even more important, but there has to be a specific reason for our recent transfer policy.
One of reasons might be, as I've already said, that the players have good resale value, so the club isn't likely to lose money, and there is also a decent chance that one in five or so will go on to become worth much more than our original outlay (either to the team or in resale value, or both). There is also the relatively low wages that players of that type will demand, which is something that most fans, including myself, tend not to give a lot of thought to. Signing anyone for £20m-£30m almost guarantees that they will be earning between £80-£100k per week, particularly as high earners are paying so much tax, these days. Also, the exchange rate doesn't favor big money signings from Europe to the UK at the moment, which might be one of the reasons for Sir Alex's infamous value comment.
So, I'm not sure that it is quite so simple as to add up all of the small fees that we are paying and suggest that we could have signed someone for £30m, instead. There has to be a reason why, as you've said, we don't appear to be terribly eager to make any big money transfers (although, there is plenty of time left this summer), and that may have more to do with a relative lack of money than our transfer activity in recent months initially suggests.
Thanks for the compliment,
Unless he's going to be the new Ronaldo or something, I'd definately don't want this player here.
Valencia and Nani are miles ahead from what I've seen in many Panathinaklos games and via world cup....
The only thing better than them would probably be his name.
I'd rate E.Hazard, A.Sanchez one step ahead.
He just doesn't give the spark you'd like as a United player, players that provide you the feeling that they are capable of something... Ronaldoesque players...
I'd say he's decent but still not united quality...
Sounds like the next Ozil!
I'm not sure what United quality is really, we have several players I would say are not good enough for United but the idea seems to be to take players with some talent and mould them into United quality, we don't buy ready made United quality.
This is something I've mentioned before when the totting up of outlay has been used to point out we have money, these players are almost all in the cash back guarantee category with low wages.
This is something I've mentioned before when the totting up of outlay has been used to point out we have money, these players are almost all in the cash back guarantee category with low wages.
This way of thinking seems ample planning for UEFA's new rules governing transfer expenditure; it being in reflection of footballing income. We'll probably see that Chelsea and City have already been chastised against offering ridiculous sums in wages, as to add too much to their wage-bill now will surely only serve to severely and negatively effect their spending budgets come the initial implementation of the ruling in 2013. Those two teams in particular are sure to be the worse effected, but all teams must now be planning for the inevitable player's pay-cuts; it doesn't make economic or footballing sense to be signing £120k+ p/w players when those very same contracts will in a few years time be holding the club in question back from further squad development.
This is possibly the case, I guess we'll get a better gauge if Chelsea don't spend much this summer again. I wonder if/when Real and Barca will start to moderate their outlay in accordance, the Real wage bill must be eye watering. Of course much can still happen with United this summer that will turn many theories on their head, in the long run however hopefully this policy that seems in effect will lead to us only getting players who are joining for the right reasons, something neither City or Chelsea can say.
I dont think that the fee is the biggest hurdle nowadays. Ok a proven world class player would cost you around 30-35m but when you consider his wages (lets say 100k a week which is pretty reasonable for a player in those circumstances) then that would couple to 4.8m per year. 4.8m per year would mean 48m for an entire player's career (if he signs at 22 years of age then its reasonable to say that he would still be around in a decade's time) and we are assuming that
a) he would be signing a 10 year long contract which wont need to be improved
b) there will be no bonuses.
both options are certainly highly unprobabile.
If you take such thing in consideration then no wonder why the club is opting for (semi) unknown talent like Smalling, Hernandez and Diouf then to proven talent like lets say Villa. The former three would probably have half the salary (even when combined) to what Villa would demand to sign with a big club.
Needs to bulk up...