Solskjaer's legacy and his future

Three years of mismanagement and bad coaching have ruined some of our players and they may not recover. Ole is chiefly responsible for the shambles we are currently.
 
elnorte said:
How can you possibly qualify that statement. The wheels had well and truly fallen off by the time he was sacked and this dire set of players and their equally shocking performances is one which his finger prints are all over.
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izec said:
You do realise he created the mess for the most part? That is why he got sacked
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He didn’t create mess. He came to the mess. He got rightly sacked because you can’t sack 15 players. You sack manager and hope for miracle. But same players give you same results. Nothing strange. Unless We get rid of pretenders it will be same with next manager. Hopefully some will leave this summer.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Are the players really that bad. Tell me this... This question is asked and nauseum about ole... What top job is Ralf R getting after this... I'd love an answer to that question
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I'll try to answer:

The players are shit

Ole was shit

The coaches are shit

The board is shit

The owners are shit

The club is shit
 
Blood Mage said:
Three years of mismanagement and bad coaching have ruined some of our players and they may not recover. Ole is chiefly responsible for the shambles we are currently.
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This is Ole's legacy. Rashford, for example, was overplayed and undercoached throughout Ole's reign.
 
He has set us back more than any other manager we have had since SAF retired. Built a horrible culture at the club, rewarded failure and left a mess of a squad. Really should have gone after the EL final. The board are even more to blame for this shambles, they have run this club into the ground. But hey, all good, we got a new sponsor and we trend on social media!
 
PlayerOne said:
He has set us back more than any other manager we have had since SAF retired. Built a horrible culture at the club, rewarded failure and left a mess of a squad. Really should have gone after the EL final. The board are even more to blame for this shambles, they have run this club into the ground. But hey, all good, we got a new sponsor and we trend on social media!
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This, well put.
 
The majority of this is on him.

The fix will take several seasons because he renewed contracts unnecessarily on astronomical wages, let others wind their contracts down, failing to cash in on other players, pandering to agents, pandering to players and letting them do/ play as they please, having zero footballing identity, careless attitude of the players, going towards a certain recruitment style then abandoning it when it came to certain players.

This clubs needs a root and branch overhaul to undo the catastrophic damage his passive, player pleasing reign brought.
 
dubplate warrior said:
Amazing, we're in this mess because of him. This is his unbalanced squad, this is his captain, this is his "cultural reboot", it was him who couldn't explain his tactics or style of play and instead brought it down to passion and desire, it was him who lost 0-5 to Liverpool, it was him who spent £400m with no trophies to show, it was him who made it okay to be mediocre because significant sections of the fanbase were stuck in sentiment.

Make no mistake, Ole set us back several years with his general incompetence, let it go man.
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Coming 3rd and 2nd before players decided to stop playing. Same players. How you make that back several years I don’t know.
 
dubplate warrior said:
Amazing, we're in this mess because of him. This is his unbalanced squad, this is his captain, this is his "cultural reboot", it was him who couldn't explain his tactics or style of play and instead brought it down to passion and desire, it was him who lost 0-5 to Liverpool, it was him who spent £400m with no trophies to show, it was him who made it okay to be mediocre because significant sections of the fanbase were stuck in sentiment.

Make no mistake, Ole set us back several years with his general incompetence, let it go man.
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Agree with everything you say. It’s going to take a long time to recover from the mess he left us in.
 
Ole took over a mess created by LvG and Jose also. Not an easy job for a limited manager.
 
I was profoundly wrong about the squad he built/was building. Awb and maguire for 130m might be the worst money ever spent here
 
I think we'll know more next season.

This has been an awful year all round but I'm not sure we are actually this bad. I've seen these players produce really good stuff.

Ole definitely made big mistakes with the ins and outs as his tenure continued but right now I think his legacy looks worse than it actually is.
 
Interesting how some people seem to have changed their tune regarding ole now. First it was we have a good squad of players and just need a good tactician. Now it is the squad which is unbalanced and the best tacticians in the world can’t do anything with it.
 
Can't believe there are still people out there defending him. Just look at this lot he bought in. Christ on a bike.
 
Just close this thread, no need to keep revisiting Ole. He was shit we al know it, but damn redcafe haves a fixation on keep dueling past managers.
 
Ole got it wrong today. He can’t motivate players or coach. Would like to see what a real coach could get out of this team!
 
VP89 said:
He did a good job fecking us more than the previous managers did, though.
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How exactly? He spent more/equal money, he won nothing and he left a bigger mess behind.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Just close this thread, no need to keep revisiting Ole. He was shit we al know it, but damn redcafe haves a fixation on keep dueling past managers.
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Exactly. 99% say he was shit the other 1% nailed their colours to his mast and dont want to lose face. This will never change.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Could be that Ralf isn't really a coach the last decade too. We were better under ole. Not in his last five games true. But the prior 100. Quite incredible
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Take off the rose-tinted glasses and you’d see we were playing absolutely dross LONG before that 5 game spell. The entirety of last seasons was based on moments of quality plastering over poor performances.

All that’s happened now is that we’ve run out of plasters.
 
He bought most of these dross. To me the biggest mistake he made was making Maguire the Captain. It's an unforgettable sin.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Take off the rose-tinted glasses and you’d see we were playing absolutely dross LONG before that 5 game spell. The entirety of last seasons was based on moments of quality plastering over poor performances.

All that’s happened now is that we’ve run out of plasters.
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glad we don't have those moments of quality any more ! wont miss them !
 
wolvored said:
Exactly. 99% say he was shit the other 1% nailed their colours to his mast and dont want to lose face. This will never change.
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99% say he is a bigger reason for why we are losing than the current manager. thats the madness of this thread. nobody is in here arguing ole should still be the united manager... just laughing at how wrong people got it when they guaranteed we would improve with a hipster manager
 
Crashoutcassius said:
glad we don't have those moments of quality any more ! wont miss them !
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Hundreds of millions spent for moments of quality!!! What a spectacular return of investment. Only one who miss him are fans of other clubs

Thank feck he left, if he was still in charge we'd battle with Burnley and Everton for 17th place
 
Yes Ole did a bad job but a lot of the blame being attributed to him is actually down to clueless Ed. Ed has been running the show since David Gill and there’s probably never been a more incompetent CEO in football. The man didn’t know how to negotiate in the football World, he didn’t understand it and created many many issues that you see today.
 
SirReginald said:
Yes Ole did a bad job but a lot of the blame being attributed to him is actually down to clueless Ed. Ed has been running the show since David Gill and there’s probably never been a more incompetent CEO in football. The man didn’t know how to negotiate in the football World, he didn’t understand it and created many many issues that you see today.
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Woodward wasn't the one on the training field and caused all our players to stagnant. That's a bigger crime than wasting money.
 
elmo said:
Woodward wasn't the one on the training field and caused all our players to stagnant. That's a bigger crime than wasting money.
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So if the problem was ole on the training field that should have gone when ole left and the “stagnation” should have gone away. Funny how ole was the root of all our problems when he was here and now that he is gone he is still the root of all our problems.
 
I believe that his 2019 summer transfer window might genuinely be the worst, most damaging one in our history. We managed to make a profit on Dan James, who was the best signing at £15m. Other than that, we signed Maguire at £80m and AWB for £60m, two players he certainly requested for and wanted as part of his culture revolution. That is serious ineptitude on every level, because these two will never be title winning players, but we also can’t sell them unless we accept a massive loss, and even benching them is difficult due to their price and wage.

A portion of the blame even has to go to him for these players’ collective attitude. This is what happens when the previous manager continually panders to particular players no matter their performance levels and even captains one of them despite said player being nothing more than a mid table CB who had just been at the club for 6 months, while totally ostracising the rest, like Dalot, Bailly, Donny and Lingard. You get a dressing room who are blatantly not together, and also one who clearly cannot take criticism. There is a clear correlation between how harsh Rangnick has progressively been in the press, and our worsening results. There have even been reports that a select group of players are unhappy with Rio’s vehement criticism. Maybe play well rather than complain then…

However, I wouldn’t blame him for our insipid football. To be honest, we played much better stuff under him last season and after lockdown in 2020 than what we are seeing now. Even his biggest critic cannot say that the period in 2020 where we won four games in a row by three goals or the 6-2 wins against Leeds and Roma weren’t exhilarating, not least beating Southampton by nine. Under Ralf, we’ve only had two truly comfortable wins, the 3-1s at home to Burnley and away to Brentford. We’ve had to scramble and score deceiving late goals in our only other two goal victories over Brighton and Leeds. Ole’s football this season was garbage, but so is Ralf’s. I wouldn’t fully blame Ralf either though, because this dressing room are a bunch of nothing players bar a few.
 
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SirReginald said:
Yes Ole did a bad job but a lot of the blame being attributed to him is actually down to clueless Ed. Ed has been running the show since David Gill and there’s probably never been a more incompetent CEO in football. The man didn’t know how to negotiate in the football World, he didn’t understand it and created many many issues that you see today.
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So ole didnt train, he didnt pick the player bought, he didnt set up cone. Maybe it's not his fault after all
 
bludsucker said:
So if the problem was ole on the training field that should have gone when ole left and the “stagnation” should have gone away. Funny how ole was the root of all our problems when he was here and now that he is gone he is still the root of all our problems.
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You can't change players attitude and fitness mid-season especially when they know the the guy taking over isn't having the job full time.
 
elmo said:
You can't change players attitude and fitness mid-season especially when they know the the guy taking over isn't having the job full time.
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But ole did just that when he took over mid season from jose. We went on a huge winning run while he was an interim manager. People here don’t give him enough credit. Granted he wasn’t the best manager in the world. He also wasn’t the worst manager as is being stated here. And laying the blame at his feet 6 months after he has left us is being facetious.
 
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