About Rashford?
It's true he did overplay him but he didn't cripple him. I'd attribute Southgate more to his loss of confidence but even that's harsh to blame it all on him.
I think only Rashford can blame Rashford for his loss of form.
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It's true he did overplay him but he didn't cripple him. I'd attribute Southgate more to his loss of confidence but even that's harsh to blame it all on him.
I think only Rashford can blame Rashford for his loss of form.
Nearly every club has 2-4 players that play most of the minutes. For example, people say Fernandes and Rashford were overplayed. To a degree I agree, however, Salah and TAA played similar number of minutes as well last season, and this despite them having played quite a few games less than us.
Look at any and every club around, and you can make the case for nearly all of them.
How? Not a single trophy, not even challenging for any major title.
Massive flops in his signings in Wan Bissaka and Maguire. Humilliation against Liverpool at Old Trafford. Failing to advance in champions league group stages.
All that in addition to leaving an unsettled squad with glaring holes and unfit players.
A piss poor Europa league final (that we couldn't even win) and "countless" low cup semifinals don't count for much IMO.
I mean what are you even talking about? If Ole is not a major failure I don't know what it takes for you to think someone is.
I blame fans like yourself for the mediocrity we’re in. ‘Countless semifinals? Final?’ are we Spurs!
The fact people are still defending the guy after the shower his £300mil reign has brought us is exactly why we deserve everything we got/are getting. At other clubs he’d have gone after the Sevilla semi but no, here people are years later claiming losing to Sevilla a club with a fraction of the resources & who man for man were our inferiors is an achievement.
‘Top 3 in the Premier league’, are we Arsenal!
If you want to put the blame on players for failures, you should also credit them for the better seasons. But if it's all about them, what part does the manager have?
We've replaced so many players in recent years. If somehow we keep ending up with ones that have bad attitude, I'm not sure what makes you think it'll be different this time.
So no, I don't think that's the issue. I don't think that somehow City and Liverpool always pick up the ones with good character while we get the bads ones. It's more about football, and the effects that good coaching and having a good team - or bad coaching and having a bad team - have on everyone.
Liverpool Arsenal and Chelsea had 42, 46 and 50 points on 29 games last year 57 59 and 62 this year. That's how we were 2nd last year. They were all crap.
We were 2nd with 57 points last year and 5th with 50 now. Same shit. Ole was one the biggest mistakes our club has ever made.
Three years for nothing is a very long time. Total waste, disaster of a manager stupid decision.
We were 2nd with 57 points last year and 5th with 50 now. Same shit. Ole was one the biggest mistakes our club has ever made.
Three years for nothing is a very long time. Total waste, disaster of a manager stupid decision.
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Same thing when you last won the league, only team with over 80 points and you were exactly a peak Fergie side that year. That season was quite forgetful.
The nonsense you lot convince yourselves of.
it’s pure copium to blame OGS for the state of the club and squad.
Get the right manager at the right time and you’ll all be saying we have a better squad than city again because he’ll get the players we already have, performing.
Do what you need to, to get through the barren spell, but you’re all talking sh*te.
it’s pure copium to blame OGS for the state of the club and squad.
Get the right manager at the right time and you’ll all be saying we have a better squad than city again because he’ll get the players we already have, performing.
Do what you need to, to get through the barren spell, but you’re all talking sh*te.
£85m on Maguire and making him captain immediately is not still damaging the Man Utd?
Agree with you about Amad and Pellistri and giving Cavani another year, but a lot of people were rightly sceptical about the wisdom of giving Jones that contract extension.
I thought it was a bit odd but let's be honest circa 2019 there weren't exactly any stand-out candidates for captaincy.
Who was the captain back then Young?
Why is that relevant?
He will be remembered most for lowering standards and creating a sense of entitlement in players far beyond anything ever seen at this club, add in the lack of accountability and it's no surprise why the squad is the way it is.
His insistence on playing his favourites no matter what has created weak personalities. Bruno, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford could probably score own goals on purpose and he still wouldn't sub them or drop them in the next game. All four look lost now that their positions aren't as rosey as they were under Ole.
Bruno was so used to doing things his own way that he's probably past the point of no return now in being coachable. At a point where you needed him to be coached more, same with Rashford, having Ole was the worst thing for them in the long run. Sure they had good stats but once that dried up there's now nothing to fall back on. Sure there must be player accountability but how Ole managed this team was extremely poor.
His insistence on playing his favourites no matter what has created weak personalities. Bruno, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford could probably score own goals on purpose and he still wouldn't sub them or drop them in the next game. All four look lost now that their positions aren't as rosey as they were under Ole.
Bruno was so used to doing things his own way that he's probably past the point of no return now in being coachable. At a point where you needed him to be coached more, same with Rashford, having Ole was the worst thing for them in the long run. Sure they had good stats but once that dried up there's now nothing to fall back on. Sure there must be player accountability but how Ole managed this team was extremely poor.
Then a lot of people must be able to see into the future because at the time of contract Jones was playing, fit and in the England squad. They must be all mystic megs
Any consideration the fact that Ole got a trick out of many of the players we want gone now, who were part of his squads?
Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, Bruno, Martial, all had top seasons under Ole. Some players like Fred and Lindelof have been consistently good to very good under Ole and now Rangnick.
There are loads of reasons why many of the same players have just nose-dived in terms of productivity and general attitude. Placing it all on Ole is just an easy scapegoat thing to do.
As a player, his legacy will never be compromised. He's a legend. As a manager, he did a good job even if he didn't win anything in 3 aggregated seasons. The construction of the squad this year has been a total feck up and with Greenwood pretty much done from football, it looks all the more worse, even if that is out of everyone's control not named Mason. This upcoming summer was always going to be another important one because they needed another forward with or without Ronaldo, knowing Cavani was leaving and that was with Greenwood playing a central role on the attacking line. Buying a central midfielder or two was going to happen, plus another solution to RB.
Just feel like Ole and the coaching staff had to deviate too much from what they knew or were good at once Ronaldo came and once they figured out there was unsettled players like Lingard, Greenwood, Rashford, Maguire. Sancho comes in and brings competition to Rashford and Greenwood, then those two go their separate but negative ways.
Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, Bruno, Martial, all had top seasons under Ole. Some players like Fred and Lindelof have been consistently good to very good under Ole and now Rangnick.
There are loads of reasons why many of the same players have just nose-dived in terms of productivity and general attitude. Placing it all on Ole is just an easy scapegoat thing to do.
As a player, his legacy will never be compromised. He's a legend. As a manager, he did a good job even if he didn't win anything in 3 aggregated seasons. The construction of the squad this year has been a total feck up and with Greenwood pretty much done from football, it looks all the more worse, even if that is out of everyone's control not named Mason. This upcoming summer was always going to be another important one because they needed another forward with or without Ronaldo, knowing Cavani was leaving and that was with Greenwood playing a central role on the attacking line. Buying a central midfielder or two was going to happen, plus another solution to RB.
Just feel like Ole and the coaching staff had to deviate too much from what they knew or were good at once Ronaldo came and once they figured out there was unsettled players like Lingard, Greenwood, Rashford, Maguire. Sancho comes in and brings competition to Rashford and Greenwood, then those two go their separate but negative ways.
Are we going to blame Rangnick now to? Or is it early for you?
To not win a trophy is not ok. And here lies problem. Everything needs to be Quick fix. It is not Football Manager. Managers need time. Solskjaer deserved getting sacked for this season. It was to try and get some energy to players because it is easier to sack one manager then 15 players. But to put blame on him when instagramians and pretenders get free card from blame is crazy. Reverse you blaming list.
We have failed before in CL groups. We have been humiliated before by teams from lower divisions. I never look at one specific thing because We would have fired every manager after one two months.
I don’t know if you still live in 90’s but you should ask youself if football has evolved. We don’t have monopoly on winning everything. They are other clubs around like ManCity. If you think We are on par with them looking at players then it is hard to discuss.
No manager is ever blameless. Solskjaer did wrong in some things to. Nobody is saying that. But to put blame on him all the time while never touching other aspects is what gets on my nerves.
When it comes to players people think that Solskjaer was deciding everything without actually look how our recruitment of players goes.
Give it to DDG then. Not on Maguire, ever.
People like to blame Van Gaal for his shit transfers. Ole is just as bad.
Not only that, but he handled the boys completely wrong. Look at Rashy.
Not only that, but he handled the boys completely wrong. Look at Rashy.
I agree with the general point around OGS lowering the standards. When he came in, the primary job was to arrest the slide, bring back some positivity around the club, and improve the squad morale. He prioritised those things.
We must remember that he wasn’t a manager at the very top of European football to come around and implement radical change. People like Klopp and Guardiola who do it have prior results to show as evidence. He had nothing to show and hence had to make it up as he went along.
If the only problem with the club was morale then he would be the perfect candidate. Unfortunately, it wasn’t and deeper issues are coming to the surface now. We are in a catch 22 situation where the board wants the club to be successful but doesn’t want to hire a manager who demands success because that will amount to lighting a fire under their own backsides. The cycle will continue till we have better leaders in the corporate office, not just on the training ground.
We must remember that he wasn’t a manager at the very top of European football to come around and implement radical change. People like Klopp and Guardiola who do it have prior results to show as evidence. He had nothing to show and hence had to make it up as he went along.
If the only problem with the club was morale then he would be the perfect candidate. Unfortunately, it wasn’t and deeper issues are coming to the surface now. We are in a catch 22 situation where the board wants the club to be successful but doesn’t want to hire a manager who demands success because that will amount to lighting a fire under their own backsides. The cycle will continue till we have better leaders in the corporate office, not just on the training ground.
Not a jab at Ole but remember during his first window the word was were doing character references and background checks or whatever way they worded it ala Fergie. Only to see this squad now
So bad isn’t it. The worse thing about Oles reign were ironically not the results. It’s the absolute horseshit the club and a section of the fanbase presented for three years.That the same Phil Jones that cost us an FA Cup final and should of been replaced/sold that summer. Then finds himself back in the team once his mate Carrick has the ear of the manager.
That the context you was talking about? I mean come on.. the whole fanbase was over fed up with this guy.
you want a mute as a captain?
Maguire was the best candidate to replace Ashley Young in 2019/20
Matic would've been a genuine candidate as well for me if he wasnt injury prone..
One match were he made a mistake? I agree that he should have been replaced, in the same way we should have been upgrading. But at that point in time he was fine for the squad.
Anyway let’s be clear here, I’m arguing against all the fans that are saying he should have been released and not given another contract. I mean all the hindsight experts that have popped up. I repeat again that he was fit, in the England squad at the point of new contract. How DARE he pickup a CAREER THREATENING INJURY!! Tossers
I hate having to explain the logic and go over it with fans repeatedly. Grow some brains ffs people
Not sure DDG as captain would have been a positive for him or the team.
What's that thing people used to say, no matter what happens, he'll leave us in a better place than where he found us?
Again come on man. The guy had been at the club for what 5 years? It’s not a surprise he got injured, he’s always injured
. We offered him a 6 year deal.There’s not hindsight. No one cared he got an England call up he’s been there for before. The pain is we already see what he can do and where it was going. We didn’t need to renew he needed to go like your Johnny Evans before him etc etc. Too much sentiment for certain players over the years and it’s all started with Ole to be honest. I get trying to preserve value but it’s like this new trend of being a good lad and good for the dressing room all came along with this cultural resist. Mata has had two contracts in the past few years and has played as much football as me. Frig all.
I swear, when it comes to Ole's tenure as manager of Manchester United his defenders seem to have the memory of a gold fish.
Give over. NO club would just release him. I hate stating the obvious but think about what you’re saying.Again come on man. The guy had been at the club for what 5 years? It’s not a surprise he got injured, he’s always injured
There’s not hindsight. No one cared he got an England call up he’s been there for before. The pain is we already see what he can do and where it was going. We didn’t need to renew he needed to go like your Johnny Evans before him etc etc. Too much sentiment for certain players over the years and it’s all started with Ole to be honest. I get trying to preserve value but it’s like this new trend of being a good lad and good for the dressing room all came along with this cultural resist. Mata has had two contracts in the past few years and has played as much football as me. Frig all.
again I agree with you in trying to sell as part of an upgrade of the squad but it wasn’t as urgent as some of the other bits that needed done (and probably still do). But releasing him? The club wouldn’t have done that, it would’ve been illogical. I do agree however that the length of the contract was OTT
It's too bad with his injuries tbh. I know people don't rate him but I think he would have been a great squad player for us.
I even think that the Smalling / Jones duo was better than Maguire / Lindelof. Looking at this season.
Yeah a fit Jones would have been a good asset to have. Shame about the big injury.
the lad literally put his body on the line for the club, sticking his head were some of them would nt put their feet.
At least with van gaal dodgy transfers we still were or could have been able to recoup their transfer fees, the only two big transfers under him were di maria who didn't even want ot be here in the first place and seemed lined up without lvg's say so, much like herrera and the other being martial who wasn't so much his signing but giggs as van gaal believed he was taking over from him. Plus at least when lvg signed players he actually used them unlike ole who didn't bother with vdb and diallo and also brought players back from good loan spells and decided to let them rot on the sidelines and set back any development and value they had built up from their loan spells.
DdG isn't a mute. What are you on aboutyou want a mute as a captain?
Maguire was the best candidate to replace Ashley Young in 2019/20
Matic would've been a genuine candidate as well for me if he wasnt injury prone..
Fit? By that time Jones had around 30 (minor or big) injuries during his career. In matter of fact, that season (after world cup) he was injured until december.
Player who is injured that much, will not become injury free all of sudden.
Also season before, when he was more fit than usual and played more, he showed in many games how limited (not good enough) in fact he is.
I know you like Jones but he did nothing to deserve that extension.
You don't need a crystal ball to know that Jones will be injured more often than not. We have years of experience to call upon to make that judgement
Maguire was never the best candidateyou want a mute as a captain?
Maguire was the best candidate to replace Ashley Young in 2019/20
Matic would've been a genuine candidate as well for me if he wasnt injury prone..
Jones signed his contract extension on 8th Feb'19 - 1.5 months after Ole was appointed as interim.
Do people really believe Ole, as an interim, had the power to extend players' contracts? And even if we do believe that, do we really believe the contract talks started, and ended within 1.5 months of his arrival?
It was most likely a case of extend contracts of players and let the permanent manager make the judgement of whether the player is required or not.
Do people really believe Ole, as an interim, had the power to extend players' contracts? And even if we do believe that, do we really believe the contract talks started, and ended within 1.5 months of his arrival?
It was most likely a case of extend contracts of players and let the permanent manager make the judgement of whether the player is required or not.
Its not about whether I like him or not, I don’t know him. I just think he takes a lot of unnecessary abuse and fans getting wound up.
If a player is not playing well, you might take the decision to sell him or you might take the decision that he’s a good enough squad player.
you don’t release a player about to come into his peak. (Nobody could tell he was about to get THAT injury, though I’m sure some Houdinis will try). I do agree though that 5 + 1 was OTT.
now can we please stop saying that we should have released him when we all know that it wouldn’t happen
So you would have released an England squad player because he is prone to niggling injuries?
So if I go through your posting history I wouldn't find anything praising Ole on the recruitment we did as a club or how thanks to Ole we've put together the best squad since SAF? Even Ole himself said no one would come into the club without his say so. Was he lying? Why would he do that?
I'm not talking about you personally but it is quite funny the amount of back tracking going on with the signings we've made. When, at least on paper the team looked liked it could go places Ole was getting all the accolades but once it became obvious we were going nowhere the narrative changed to, he was a Woodward signing, Ole didn't want him or Ole had nothing to do with transfers. So many excuses for such an average manager.