Solskjaer's legacy and his future

Quite simply the question was asked towards the end of the Ole reign, would any other PL club have Ole as their current manager? The answer was a fairly unanimous no, and that included the likes of Norwich with that Farke guy at the time.

Lampard did a good job with Derby and it could be argued formed the early basis of a subsequent CL winning team albeit clearly wasn’t capable of delivering that. I can see why someone like him would be quite a bit ahead in the queue than Ole, for example.
 
do we need another Ole pile-on thread?

we all know the reason, no need to rub salt into the wound
 
Bilbo said:
He was/is the victim of a media-led drive to discredit him pretty much from the day he signed on as permanent manager.
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Exactly! The media were pissed off when he was appointed manager, because none of them had predicted it. They took the hump, because they looked silly that none of their "in the know" appointments materialised. So, they retaliated by discrediting him at every opportunity.

Moyes took the champions down to 7th in his only season at Old Trafford, but is being lauded for his work at West Ham, despite never winning a trophy in 20 years of management, or beating a top six side away. Meanwhile, Ole finished 2nd and 3rd in his two full seasons, but gets beaten with a stick for not winning a trophy in England, despite winning a few in Norway, and for getting relegated with an already doomed Cardiff. The difference? One manager is British, the other not.
 
Guess Ole is on garden leave as part of his severance pay.

Wherever Ole goes he most certainly will have to accept a massive pay cut ….he‘ll do well to get 20% of what he was paid at Utd.

It‘s highly unlikely any prem club middle table or above would employ him, realistically he’s looking at bottom half prem or championship. All of which makes me feel we won’t be seeing Ole managing in England for quite a long time.
 
Because he hasn't shown anything to be worth a job in the premier league? People weren't joking when we said he wouldn't get another job in the league. He failed really badly with Cardiff, so no relegation fodder team will take the risk with him, he failed at United despite huge spending (and only got by for a while because of his legend status at United alone), so big teams won't want him. He didn't do anything that interesting with play style or anything that mid table teams would be interested in him. His best chance is a mid tier job in another league, or a job in the Championship IMO.
 
Not (and never will be) good enough but his deluded fanboys on here cannot accept this simple fact.
 
The fans from literally every other team have been laughing at us for the past 2.5 years under Ole. They genuinely couldn't believe that someone so clueless was being so absolutely backed when everyone with half a brain could see that he wasn't close to being a top manager.

Pro tip, if you aren't showing any signs of playing good football after a season with a manager they either aren't a good fit or they are crap. Ole was literally getting about 60-70% of the players talent out of the squad when the likes of Klopp and Pep get about 120-130%. Top managers make teams more than the sum of their parts. Ole was the complete opposite.
 
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Man, i still do not understand why our board put so much faith in him. Imagine giving that amount to a proper coach. We would have won the league. Hopefully, that doesn't impact our future transfer business. If anything, Ole legacy will tarnish many Muppets dreams if our board decide we should curtail our spending. Could you imagine loosing out on rice, haaland, or any other top talent because we wasted so much in the past year with nothing to show for it???
 
tenpoless said:
He looked like he needed a break. Maybe he is not available. Also it's been how many months..? two? this is the type of question you ask when a manager has been out of the job for a year.
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Didn't he have one right before he got the tin tac? I can't see him managing in England ever again. You may see him pop up and Molde or Odd or some other random Norwegian side
 
11101 said:
How is it hatred to call him a shit manager?

Outside the new manager bounce after Mourinho left he has been a poor manager for us. He almost got the sack before Bruno joined, and once Bruno went off the boil a bit he actually did get the sack. That coupled with Cardiff, it's not hatred to suggest the reason he's not going to get another job in the PL is that's he's not a very good manager.
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I suppose calling him a shit manager in isolation while unnecessary isn't a sign of hatred in itself. But is that all you really think people on here are doing in the 3-4 threads now dedicated to discussing Solskjaer?

Though I'd say the almost constant bitterness, mockery and vitriol from a section on here directed at Solskjaer since his sacking (way back in November) and the effort to downplay almost every positive of his time as United manager no matter how minor is a fair indication that quite a few United fans have an unhealthy dislike/hatred of the guy.
 
Bilbo said:
He was/is the victim of a media-led drive to discredit him pretty much from the day he signed on as permanent manager.
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Didn't he get the permanent job because of a flukey win against PSG, where Buffon had a blunt, and Kimpbembe gave away a stupid penalty in the last minute?
That was typical PSG choke in the UCL, they kinda eliminated themselves.

Poor choice by Man Utd board if the gave him the job because of a flukey win where the opponent's bloopers gave United the win.
 
Fitchett said:
Exactly! The media were pissed off when he was appointed manager, because none of them had predicted it. They took the hump, because they looked silly that none of their "in the know" appointments materialised. So, they retaliated by discrediting him at every opportunity.

Moyes took the champions down to 7th in his only season at Old Trafford, but is being lauded for his work at West Ham, despite never winning a trophy in 20 years of management, or beating a top six side away. Meanwhile, Ole finished 2nd and 3rd in his two full seasons, but gets beaten with a stick for not winning a trophy in England, despite winning a few in Norway, and for getting relegated with an already doomed Cardiff. The difference? One manager is British, the other not.
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Moyes has a long and proven history of overperformance relative to resources given. Both at Everton and West Ham he was able to make a club with league-average resources a top-4 contender (or at least close). He is not good outside his comfort zone, but he is very good at what he does with midtable Clubs- and he is able to maintain it despite the league becoming more competetive and resource-rich. That is quite a rare quality and not many managers have a comparably persistent track record in that. So the rationale of hiring him for the midtable premier league club is obvious.

Ole had billionaire owner in Molde and huge transfer budgets at United (even in Cardiff he spent like 40m). At Molde after initial success he stopped winning titles (he took the champions to 5th at one point), plus they did better that him once he left - both times. In Cardiff he took them from 17th to 20th and then to17th in Championship (bear in mind that they resoundingly won the Championship shortly before he took over). At United both of the top4 finishes papered over the cracks and hardly anyone outside United fanbase thinks that they are an achievement of Ole, especially given money spent, no trophies, our crash thus season and the need for another rebuild.

What is the rationale for hiring Ole? If you are a big club in a big league, you can do better than bankroll mediocre results, no trophies with a subsequent crash and miserable state of the club. If you are a midtable/bottom half club in any league - Ole has only history of failure here. Even if you are a big club in a small league - Ole's initial success at Molde is kind of overshadowed by subsequent decline (plus he needs resources). Not saying he will necessarily fail as manager in the next job (he is not the worst manager and there must be a level where he is successful), and hope he is able ro redeem himself- but he is a HUGE risk for any club that hires him. Maybe Norway national team is the best job for Ole.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Serious question.

Why isn’t he ever even mentioned in any of the recent managerial turnovers? Surely he could do a job at Everton or Watford for example.

When will we see him back in the PL?
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I don't think he will ever get a premier team again. He spent £440 mill on players, £130m of that on 2 average players. He bought another then virtually refused to play him The club bent over backwards for him in every way and he still couldn't win anything. His speciality is what? He said he doesn't coach. He's said he is a motivator, but what did he motivate? He lied to players to keep them at the club. I can't see any club that would take him on
 
How's a manager who finished 2nd in EPL bring no interest from any club in top 5 leagues is weird unless they know he is just a con man and get appointed based on feelings instead of competency. I mean who would hire a manager who only talks about passion , desire , United DNA, United way in his press conference and fall for it ?
Dancfc said:
Because the media, oppo fans and even a section of our own have set a narrative that it's never the managers fault when it goes wrong at Chelsea.

That's how both Mourinho and AVB managed to wangle jobs at teams that finished above us (largely thanks to them) in the season we sacked them. The former had the nation genuinely pondering if we could get relegated yet he still bagged the biggest job in the country afterwards.
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A sensible way to judge a manager is by looking throughout his career and his CV instead of few months meltdown that can be caused by anything which has no relation with another club. The former was one of the most decorated manager in history of football anyway and he did won trophies anywhere he went except in that bottling club Spurs.

chiz2kul said:
Who would have thought he'd be such a divisive character!

To answer your Q OP: simply because he's not good enough. His flaws were exposed for the whole world to see and they weren't pretty. That being said, his man management skills will go a long way at the top level, but his managerial/strategic skills have been found wanting.
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It's a myth that ole has a good man-management skills, being buddies with everyone and their mother isn't a sign of good man management. Good man management means managing people to be successful, and that includes of kicking players on their ass. For example, the way Mourinho handled Ozil till he cries his eyes out to get the best out of him was one of the best man management ever. If you couldn't make a player successful ( win trophies )then it is not a good man management.
 
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We really didn’t need this pisstake thread, but Ole did leave United in full dumpster fire mode.

Had he been thinking his career through, he would gave stepped down at the end of last season, quite rightly pointing to a job well done. He’d been in contention for jobs like Everton. It was never, ever going to end well for Ole at Old Trafford. Now, it’s hard to imagine any job offer coming his way any time soon.
 
… because walking into a changing room and saying “this is Watford, go out there and express yourselves” probably won’t cut it.
 
Fitchett said:
Exactly! The media were pissed off when he was appointed manager, because none of them had predicted it. They took the hump, because they looked silly that none of their "in the know" appointments materialised. So, they retaliated by discrediting him at every opportunity.

Moyes took the champions down to 7th in his only season at Old Trafford, but is being lauded for his work at West Ham, despite never winning a trophy in 20 years of management, or beating a top six side away. Meanwhile, Ole finished 2nd and 3rd in his two full seasons, but gets beaten with a stick for not winning a trophy in England, despite winning a few in Norway, and for getting relegated with an already doomed Cardiff. The difference? One manager is British, the other not.
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Moyes has more managerial ability in his missing eyebrows than Ole does in his entire body, and I say this as someone who was no fan of Moyes whatsoever. He failed at United, but there’s no way Ole could accomplish what Moyes accomplished at Everton or West Ham. Outside of Norway Ole has shown that he needs massive amounts of investment (relative to the club size) in order to achieve the bare minimum expected out of his job, and even then there’s a solid chance it goes up in flames and that bare minimum can’t be achieved.
 
Gandalf said:
Not going to make any outlandish claims about Ole's coaching skills here but it is a fact that he is more qualified and has actually accomplished more as a Manager than Frank Lampard for example and yet Frank gets linked with every opening going and seems likely to actually get the Everton job. I do think Ole is not really looking for a new job right now and would probably prefer not to coach in the PL for a different club but it does not alter the fact that the media perception of Ole shows a clear anti English bias. Fat Frank is one of our own so he has instant credibility whereas Ole is a foreigner with a funny accent so clearly can't be taken seriously.
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Lampard is a better coach than Solskjaer (yes I know Solskjaer beat him a few times) and he seems way more ambitious. Solskjaer just wanted to manage United. He won a lottery and it's unlikely he'll ever manage at this level again in my opinion
 
Max_United said:
Being a nice guy and matey with the players does not equate having good man management skills for a manager. It can be enough in specific circumstances (post-Jose caretaker duty), or maybe could work ok when a manager is complemented with a world-class coaching team, members of which also know when to get tough on players and the manager helps to soften it/acts as mediator.

What counts for good "man management" skills also varies from job to job - maybe Ole has good man management skills for players' councelor role or something like that, but not for the manager.

Ole left us with a squad low on morale, with no unity, belief, plus many players who are unhappy and wanting out and/or feeling mistreated because of broken promises. This is not a sign of a manager having good man management skills.
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i just want to know how you're a full member when I've been here longer than you have :mad: :lol: :lol:
 
Fitchett said:
Exactly! The media were pissed off when he was appointed manager, because none of them had predicted it. They took the hump, because they looked silly that none of their "in the know" appointments materialised. So, they retaliated by discrediting him at every opportunity.

Moyes took the champions down to 7th in his only season at Old Trafford, but is being lauded for his work at West Ham, despite never winning a trophy in 20 years of management, or beating a top six side away. Meanwhile, Ole finished 2nd and 3rd in his two full seasons, but gets beaten with a stick for not winning a trophy in England, despite winning a few in Norway, and for getting relegated with an already doomed Cardiff. The difference? One manager is British, the other not.
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Pretty much this
 
Some managers can work with limited resources he has like Moyes but failed when he had to step up. Managers like Moyes seem to fit smaller to mid table clubs, that's why he kept getting offers. There are more smaller clubs than the big ones.
 
His ceiling is newly promoted club or championship. I doubt relegation battle club in crisis would comsider him. And that is ok.
 
Oles stock is around the same as the day he signed due to how things ended, and that stock was all based on Cardiff.
 
There’s no way ole would even discuss a job this season. No way. Maybe during the summer but i imagine him losing the United job gutted him.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but managers often have non-compete clauses preventing them to join another club in the same season. I remember Jose had preventing him from joining us.
 
Just to make something clear, in case it was ... you know, unclear: When Solskjær was referring to our great fanbase and how amazing the fans have been, he was not referring to the entitled kids throwing sh*t around at him here.
 
Some of these comments are quite brash. He did make us finish 3rd and 2nd - earning champions league spot in successive seasons - something Mourinho & LVG with all their reputation failed to do.

The answer to the question I believe is simply because he isn't interested, probably because he wants to stay close to his family. He'd probably take another job in Norway.
 
The why isn't Ole being linked...thread has been merged into this one. We don't need two active shitting on Ole threads.
 
Cheimoon said:
Any reason why you think he'd be good in the Netherlands or Germany? Cause I see zero match with his style, and also no dynamics in those league (in terms of the sort of managers that is hired and the style of football that clubs play) that would lead a club to think that hiring someone like Ole would be a good idea.

Actually, come to think of it, Pardew managed at Den Haag. But that also surprised me then, and it did go nowhere and the contract was soon ended. (When the league was cancelled due to the pandemic. At that moment, Den Haag were still in the relegation zone, where they also were when Pardew was hired.)
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I’m thinking about other managers and players from Scandinavia and where current stream is heading. Beside that I believe he is suited more in a league and club with less toxic enviroment and where people actually watch football and not judge because of their FM experience.
Solskjaer did a good job until things fell apart this year. For that I put most of the blame on players. It is shame that there is deep hatred in our fanbase towards managers. There is only hate and criticism and I think it is down to being jealous.
 
He was rumored to go to Malmo for a while but I don't know how much it was in that. He would probably find it tough when the fans would scream at him and demand his head on a stick instead of singing his name while losing 0-5 to your biggest rivals. He won't get a job in the Premier League again.
 
It'll take him a while to live down the lowlights of his reign because they're the only memorable parts, second place is great but the reality is all people outside Utd will remember of Ole as Utd manager is no trophies, Europa final defeat to a midtable Spanish side and a historic 5-0 battering, plus signing Ronaldo and the team somehow getting worse. Let him enjoy being rich and unemployed for a while while the dust settles. If anything I could see Utd eventually bringing him back on the payroll in some way or another..
 
Surely has a chance at Watford at some point - it’s a revolving door!
 
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