Are there real people who feel Ole should be managing / can be successful at a PL club?
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Simply not good enough.
Both crap managers.
Agreed entirely. I think he's absolutely not a top class manager and shouldn't have got the job in the first place but the way that some talk about him they should be ashamed. Always gave everything for the club, gave me one of my best footballing memories ever and will always be a legend imo
He's not built for this level honestly. He doesn't seem like a person with any authority or leadership about him.
Even fans of bottom table clubs were laughing at him and don't want him.
Maybe, just maybe he lands a job but most people just don't rate him as a manager. I have seen Football people even rate Arteta higher than him. Guess Ole doesn't seem convincing as a coach at all??
He should probably become a pundit alongside his old mates.......
Even fans of bottom table clubs were laughing at him and don't want him.
Maybe, just maybe he lands a job but most people just don't rate him as a manager. I have seen Football people even rate Arteta higher than him. Guess Ole doesn't seem convincing as a coach at all??
He should probably become a pundit alongside his old mates.......
He’s got bad PR, mostly. He’s not Jonathan Wilson et so approved. Compare the rep he has to someone like Lampard.
Any reason why you think he'd be good in the Netherlands or Germany? Cause I see zero match with his style, and also no dynamics in those league (in terms of the sort of managers that is hired and the style of football that clubs play) that would lead a club to think that hiring someone like Ole would be a good idea.
Actually, come to think of it, Pardew managed at Den Haag. But that also surprised me then, and it did go nowhere and the contract was soon ended. (When the league was cancelled due to the pandemic. At that moment, Den Haag were still in the relegation zone, where they also were when Pardew was hired.)
It's the other way around, most PL teams rather hire continental managers than british managers.
I don't see Potter managing a top PL team in the near future, these teams would rather go for ETH,Luis Enrique,Mancini,Nagelsman and other continental manager that will appear soon in Italy, Germany or Spain.
OGS was not good , so even being exotic didn't save him.
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You guys are just weird. Let him have his break, he only got sacked a couple of months ago.
Re: Lampard - he's english and unfortunately as a player had a lot more impact than Ole. Obviously he's going to get that treatment.
Re: Lampard - he's english and unfortunately as a player had a lot more impact than Ole. Obviously he's going to get that treatment.
Imagine Everton going from Liverpools old manager to a Utd dna obsessive
Without checking for a white text. not sure are people serious or not.
Probably because most managers being "Linked" to jobs happen because their agents are pushing their names to the media.
Ole clearly needs a good deal of time out after having his dream job and it all ending terribly.
I dare say he'll emerge somewhere a fair bit more low key in years to come. Norway again maybe.
Ole clearly needs a good deal of time out after having his dream job and it all ending terribly.
I dare say he'll emerge somewhere a fair bit more low key in years to come. Norway again maybe.
Have to remember he's left his dream job in management so clubs are probably wary of his motivation, same as countless players who leave Man. United in their prime and don't do much for rest of their careers.
That and yeah Cardiff went down comfortably from similar position to what Watford are in now and then were bottom half the start of the next season when he was ditched so no real record of keeping a team up or getting them back in automatic contention compared to a Hodgson type.
He'll probably pitch up in a low ish euro league next season perhaps but he's made enough money to mean he dosen't have to manage again due to new contract he signed six months back and then gardening leave money.
That and yeah Cardiff went down comfortably from similar position to what Watford are in now and then were bottom half the start of the next season when he was ditched so no real record of keeping a team up or getting them back in automatic contention compared to a Hodgson type.
He'll probably pitch up in a low ish euro league next season perhaps but he's made enough money to mean he dosen't have to manage again due to new contract he signed six months back and then gardening leave money.
Everyone gets the sack at united too
What? He never got it easy. He was mocked by press, media, fans from day one. He got all sort of nicknames. See this thread itself. He is considered a shit manager even though he did an ok job at United. Again I wasn't his biggest fan but to say he got it easy is an incorrect statement.
Ole got it very easy until his last month or two.
Peak levels of rewriting history occurring in this thread. You’d think people knew him personally going by a number of comments.
He’s probably waiting for one of the big jobs to come up
He'll be a shoe in for the norway job when that becomes available. He wont be offered a PL job again.
You might think he was the Fergies second coming.
I certainly did/do not. The people that know him personally are the ones still making excuses.
When I say easy I mean compared to what he would have got at any other big club let alone one your size or bigger.
Can you even imagine what the Bernabeu and Marca would be like to a Real manager that doesn't win anything in nearly 3 years and the culmination of that is getting twatted 5-0 at home to Barca and even that flattering them?
I don't think it's just you guys, fans of English clubs are too soft on managers in general. Very few clubs on the continent would let Arteta get away with what he's doing at Arsenal and our fanbase would have probably been even worse (or better depending on how you look at it) if Roman let Frank stay longer.
Ole back in vs Ole stay out!
Who would have thought he'd be such a divisive character!
To answer your Q OP: simply because he's not good enough. His flaws were exposed for the whole world to see and they weren't pretty. That being said, his man management skills will go a long way at the top level, but his managerial/strategic skills have been found wanting.
To answer your Q OP: simply because he's not good enough. His flaws were exposed for the whole world to see and they weren't pretty. That being said, his man management skills will go a long way at the top level, but his managerial/strategic skills have been found wanting.
Even if he was capable of doing at at a mid table club, I couldn’t see any fan base giving him the chance to do so.
He’s left the club with a reputation as someone who lets players walk over him and someone with pretty poor tactical acumen.
I think he will have to drop down further and build his reputation from scratch again or just wait for the Norway job.
He’s left the club with a reputation as someone who lets players walk over him and someone with pretty poor tactical acumen.
I think he will have to drop down further and build his reputation from scratch again or just wait for the Norway job.
- Spent a fortune (including 130 million pounds on Maguire and AWB)
- Managed absolute chaos performance wise (never seemed to be 90 minutes of control)
- Lost most of his big cup games
- After building his team, presided over a few of the very worst results in the clubs modern history to finish his reign
- Assembled a poor back room staff with no proven quality/experience
- His only other top job was a relegation
- Overplayed players to an extreme level (he may have forever broken Rashy)
He is not getting another job in the PL and if he wasn’t the player he was, everyone here could see it.
- Managed absolute chaos performance wise (never seemed to be 90 minutes of control)
- Lost most of his big cup games
- After building his team, presided over a few of the very worst results in the clubs modern history to finish his reign
- Assembled a poor back room staff with no proven quality/experience
- His only other top job was a relegation
- Overplayed players to an extreme level (he may have forever broken Rashy)
He is not getting another job in the PL and if he wasn’t the player he was, everyone here could see it.
1) Because he is a shit manager.
2) He will never get a job again in any top league.
My bet that we will hire him for some role.
2) He will never get a job again in any top league.
My bet that we will hire him for some role.
He didn't deserve the United job, he then spent more Net than any other side while failing to deliver any trophies or a title challenge, and he left with his side playing some of the worst football we've ever seen and a squad exposed as highly lacking and requiring even more investment. There is simply nothing he delivered that a club with less resources could look at and think he could do that elsewhere. I think he'd be really fortunate to land a job like Everton without a successful lower league spell or something inbetween.
Without shitting on him we all know why.
Ole taking on management at a club where he isn't revered will end very bad very quickly. His management style seemed to be to try and do what Fergie did 10-20 years ago.
I'll be surprised if he ever gets a PL job purely because of his own admission that he's not really a coach. Why would any club give him a job once they hear that. He gave Mckenna and Carrick the responsibility of coaching when they had no such experience in top level football.
The reason Lampard still has some form of demand is he's still a new manager and hasn't failed spectacularly at any job yet. He's modern, encourages attacking football and promotes young players. If he fails at his next job then he'll find it harder going forward.
There's also the PR of the appointment. Ole was largely ridiculed by our own and opposing fans for being quite bad at his job. We saw with Everton how fans can rebel against a potential appointment and the same would probably happen with Ole.
He needs to do a good job somewhere in Europe first before looking appealing to any PL club.
Ole taking on management at a club where he isn't revered will end very bad very quickly. His management style seemed to be to try and do what Fergie did 10-20 years ago.
I'll be surprised if he ever gets a PL job purely because of his own admission that he's not really a coach. Why would any club give him a job once they hear that. He gave Mckenna and Carrick the responsibility of coaching when they had no such experience in top level football.
The reason Lampard still has some form of demand is he's still a new manager and hasn't failed spectacularly at any job yet. He's modern, encourages attacking football and promotes young players. If he fails at his next job then he'll find it harder going forward.
There's also the PR of the appointment. Ole was largely ridiculed by our own and opposing fans for being quite bad at his job. We saw with Everton how fans can rebel against a potential appointment and the same would probably happen with Ole.
He needs to do a good job somewhere in Europe first before looking appealing to any PL club.
Honestly, why bother with the original post? You're just setting up the comedic response. The OP would make a great "straight man" in a double act.
Think he was expecting a unanimous response but it turned into actual discussion.
I think the state of the club just shows why all the other clubs aren't calling.
Being a nice guy and matey with the players does not equate having good man management skills for a manager. It can be enough in specific circumstances (post-Jose caretaker duty), or maybe could work ok when a manager is complemented with a world-class coaching team, members of which also know when to get tough on players and the manager helps to soften it/acts as mediator.
What counts for good "man management" skills also varies from job to job - maybe Ole has good man management skills for players' councelor role or something like that, but not for the manager.
Ole left us with a squad low on morale, with no unity, belief, plus many players who are unhappy and wanting out and/or feeling mistreated because of broken promises. This is not a sign of a manager having good man management skills.
Indeed. Agree with you all the way.
Everton is more of a poisoned chalice than the United job right now.
Obviously he isn't perceived as being a particularly good manager.
More specifically, he's generally seen as a manager who was never good enough to be Manchester United manager, who was only here because of his connections to our past, who was shown an inordinate amount of patience, who was sacked too-late this season, who left behind a mess and whose time here is a hallmark of how badly run we are as a club. That's not a profile attractive to other clubs.
If Solskjaer had been "cruelly sacked" after getting us to 2nd and a UEFA cup final at the end of last season then the positives of his time here would be framed more. Similarly if the next manager was to have immediate success with players like Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Fred, Bruno, etc. at the core then his time here would be revised more positively as an important rebuilding job. See Frank Lampard, for example. But because Solskjaer's time here ended in crushing failure, impending clearouts and immediate focus on the need to actually instill a way of playing into the side, there's currently little sense that he actually did do a succesful rebuilding job.
More specifically, he's generally seen as a manager who was never good enough to be Manchester United manager, who was only here because of his connections to our past, who was shown an inordinate amount of patience, who was sacked too-late this season, who left behind a mess and whose time here is a hallmark of how badly run we are as a club. That's not a profile attractive to other clubs.
If Solskjaer had been "cruelly sacked" after getting us to 2nd and a UEFA cup final at the end of last season then the positives of his time here would be framed more. Similarly if the next manager was to have immediate success with players like Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Fred, Bruno, etc. at the core then his time here would be revised more positively as an important rebuilding job. See Frank Lampard, for example. But because Solskjaer's time here ended in crushing failure, impending clearouts and immediate focus on the need to actually instill a way of playing into the side, there's currently little sense that he actually did do a succesful rebuilding job.
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If you are talking about our match going fans , yes you are correct. But that has nothing to do with Ole. The matchgoing fans also backed Jose till the end. They even backed Moyes. I was talking about the media. The guys in espn or journalists like Samuel Luckhurst or Duncan Castle were on him since very beginning.
He is taking a break
Let me go and start an Ole to Everton rumour on twitter
Let me go and start an Ole to Everton rumour on twitter
He is not a relegation dog-fight manager which is what some clubs need now. His best chance would be a mid-table team but there is so much competition for jobs right now. I think it is unlikely Ole will manage in the EPL again.