pretty sure people are using this thread to say ralf never had a chance today with the squad ole left him
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Yes. This is a much better squad than that shite performance
Huh? I don’t think anyone mentioned a banner in this exchange? What are you actually on about? They all failed, to what degree isn’t really that interesting to me.
Everything. You could pretty much save that post on notepad and use it as a template.
Nvm...moment has passed
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Doubt it will be needed, RR wont be here long enough to have his own group of blind followers.
Really? He had worshippers before he was even announced by the club. You underestimate how fickle and emotional our fans can be.
They might slipped under my radar because who the feck would be a worshipper of someone that didnt coach for 2 years and was in Russia when club contacted him.
If they were a club legend who played for the club for over a decade through two of the clubs most successful periods then......
....no probably not.
The match going fans just love Solskjaer more than most United legends.
Surely players attitude and the fact that they’re completely unprepared physically for 90 minutes of intensity is a part of his legacy? It really starts to feel as if there was very little discipline during Ole’s reign
Romelu Lukaku saga at Chelsea has vindicated Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's Manchester United gamble
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's tenure as Manchester United manager might not go down in history as one of success, but there were certain minor victories he achieved that could well contribute to the future success of the club.
An increased emphasis on nurturing youth talent gave many young hopefuls a pathway to the first-team, a steady squad overhaul gave United the building blocks for a genuine title challenge, and ultimately, the club was a much happier place to be around compared to previous regimes since Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
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ffs MEN, who even comes up with this
What youth talent apart from WIlliams?. Scotty McTominay, Lingard!? One half of Amad!? (that was a sweet debut
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's tenure as Manchester United manager might not go down in history as one of success, but there were certain minor victories he achieved that could well contribute to the future success of the club.
An increased emphasis on nurturing youth talent gave many young hopefuls a pathway to the first-team, a steady squad overhaul gave United the building blocks for a genuine title challenge, and ultimately, the club was a much happier place to be around compared to previous regimes since Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
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ffs MEN, who even comes up with this
What youth talent apart from WIlliams?. Scotty McTominay, Lingard!? One half of Amad!? (that was a sweet debut
)We understood that probably he did an immense job considering the low level of his players at 360°
This is karma for the board and the fans for happily giving Ole the full time job after a couple of good results. He did a great job as interim, should have been thanked for it, and moved on.
People already want a lot of his signings replaced - Maguire (80M), AWB (50M), James (sold), Telles (15M?), VDB (40M).
None of the players signed this year has made a significant impact on the team. Jury is out on Sancho and Varane.
We are literally in the same position as Jose when he left. That is we need a CB (if Maguire leaves), a RB, and a CM. Funnily enough, we need a striker as well next season.
I have nothing against Ole, obviously it's his dream to manage the club and he'd never say no. It's totally on the management and fans (to a much lesser extent) for letting it happen.
People already want a lot of his signings replaced - Maguire (80M), AWB (50M), James (sold), Telles (15M?), VDB (40M).
None of the players signed this year has made a significant impact on the team. Jury is out on Sancho and Varane.
We are literally in the same position as Jose when he left. That is we need a CB (if Maguire leaves), a RB, and a CM. Funnily enough, we need a striker as well next season.
I have nothing against Ole, obviously it's his dream to manage the club and he'd never say no. It's totally on the management and fans (to a much lesser extent) for letting it happen.
That book will be an interesting one for sure.
His legacy as a manager will be of mediocre coaching. He kept doing enough to keep people just about satisfied but in nearly 4 years we really didn't advance much as a collective.
Left a worst situation than Jose.
The Brexit FC window - £150m on AWB, Magure and James - Is worse than any window since Ferguson left in terms of incoming players.
Has left mediocre players on hugely inflated deals that would make them impossible to sell. Not all his fault obviously as this is as much on the board but this idea that he took the club forward was always total nonsense propagated by his buddies. His only achievement was signing Bruno - That's what improved the club.
The Brexit FC window - £150m on AWB, Magure and James - Is worse than any window since Ferguson left in terms of incoming players.
Has left mediocre players on hugely inflated deals that would make them impossible to sell. Not all his fault obviously as this is as much on the board but this idea that he took the club forward was always total nonsense propagated by his buddies. His only achievement was signing Bruno - That's what improved the club.
Yep, for all the constant droning about the long term plan under him - his entire tenure was always about him surviving his next patch of shit form.
I dunno what Ole's longterm legacy will be. However, looking at where we are today I am impressed by how he managed the squad.
Ole's clearly cleverer than a lot of people give him credit for. He saw how the dressing room had done for Mourinho. So he decided to be their friend instead of fight them.
Ole is no fool. He always knew if it came down to him or the superstar shirt sellers the club would get rid of him. So, until the very last moment, he never forced the issue.
Is that the only way to deal with this dressing room? To stroke the egos instead of control them? Maybe. I don't think any incoming coach is going to be given the power to make or break Man Utd careers. Which means that the players will always have the confidence to outlast any incoming coach. Especially as we're so keen to protect value with random new deals.
Ole's legacy will be that, by what he did, he showed the world that the only way to get a tune out of our squad is to play nice with it. If that's the case then he'll have perfectly illustrated why the whole thing needs ripping up.
Ole's clearly cleverer than a lot of people give him credit for. He saw how the dressing room had done for Mourinho. So he decided to be their friend instead of fight them.
Ole is no fool. He always knew if it came down to him or the superstar shirt sellers the club would get rid of him. So, until the very last moment, he never forced the issue.
Is that the only way to deal with this dressing room? To stroke the egos instead of control them? Maybe. I don't think any incoming coach is going to be given the power to make or break Man Utd careers. Which means that the players will always have the confidence to outlast any incoming coach. Especially as we're so keen to protect value with random new deals.
Ole's legacy will be that, by what he did, he showed the world that the only way to get a tune out of our squad is to play nice with it. If that's the case then he'll have perfectly illustrated why the whole thing needs ripping up.
This completely ignores Mourinho finishing 2nd on 81 points and winning two trophies whilst supposedly “fighting the squad”.
Absolute nonsense. If you become friends with the players and let then dictate everything, you are basically not a manager. It reminds me of schoolyard hierarchies where the best and most popular decides, he puts out the cones basically. Ole made a lot of transfers and we did not have the same squad as Mourinho did in the end, he only showed the world that true incompetence over time will mess up the development of even the best players. He left us with a bunch of bewildered players not knowing what to do or how to play as a team, now a professional manager is there to rectify his gross negligence and it will take time.
Naturally, the new staff needs to rectify Ole’s biggest cock-up in the transfer market, by buying central midfielders capable of bossing games. Ole damaged this club more than people want to admit, over time it will become super evident.
Yeah, that's the point. Being a happy team made us feel good for a while, but at the end of the day it actually more futile than what came before it. Did he lay the groundwork? This season has been shit and the interim coach would disagree. Did he win trophies? Nope, that's for the ego. All he did was get top 4 and make people feel like they got the club back or some shit like that.
It like when Steve McLaren was England manager. Stevie G, Wazza, Becks, Gaz etc. Rashy, Lingz, etc.
Exactly, last month showed that "laying the foundations", "better squad" or similar arguments do not have much merit. Some people were just trying to avoid the inconvenient truth that we lost 3 years under him and are hardly better than after Jose and maybe even worse.
What is the use of a better squad on paper if large parts of it are unhappy/want out/overpaid/past it and we are certainly heading for a large (and likely expensive) squad overhaul (not mentioning the staff overhaul)? What is the use of a better squad if it did not lead to trophies? Where is the much lauded "better atmosphere"? At least the mood under Jose proved to be at least initially easily fixable once he was gone. What is the use of two CL qualifications if we likely won't make it this year?
Those arguments will suffer the same fate as "LvG laid the foundations" arguments that were actually quite popular here at the time but completely disappeared once it became clear that there were no "foundations" to speak of.
Where have the Ole fan brigade gone? It shows that despite his best intentions he was utterly useless at laying foundations. We have most fans questioning how on earth we paid such crazy sums for AWB and Magure, and in the former case which scouts actually felt he had anything to offer as an attacking full back. Then we have VDB, who noone wants to play, or asking Lingard and others to stay and not playing them. To be a top manager you need to be ruthless and have a football vision, Ole was and had neither.
But again, Ole is not the problem. it is the muppet who gave him the job after a short term bounce and flukey win in Paris. Who oversaw all these signings, on crazy wages, and then refuses to sell the deadwood.
I'll tell you where they've gone – they've moved on like the rest of the fan base should.
I can't believe people still want to take time out of their day to rip Ole a new one, particularly after the way the team is still performing after he's left.
You can criticise his signings all you want in hindsight, and I know football fans seem to have the shortest memories on earth, but they are not all duds like is being made out. The majority are having a very bad season, along with players Ole didn't sign, but they have shown in the not too distant past that they are very capable players. We should be looking to get them back to that level rather than bemoaning their price tags and hoping to kick them out of the club. One or two aren't good enough overall, but nobody gets transfers 100% right.
I think there aren’t any left now, very obvious the absolute joke that the club has been left in and players allowed to do whatever they want. I want to hear more and more angry and upset leaks now, it’s a sign things are changing and all this pampering and positivity is getting stripped away with the sole aim of creating a winning environment again. The fact they are so unfit is exactly what we heard when Jose left and it hasn’t changed in three years, complacency set in long ago with this squad.
We heard this under Ole too...
The problem is paying high wages to players that don't deserve it.
Rashford, Shaw, martial, Maguire, Sancho, Ronaldo and the like are overpaid for no reason. I mean Maguire earns the same as VVD, Martial and Rashford the same as Salah.
We need to stop spending more than £50m on a player from now until we get some performances going.
Well, given they're United fans, some are currently moaning about RR, others saying give him a chance. No doubt a number of them childishly labelling segments of our fanbase this brigade or that brigade too.
you are going to get roasted here as this isn't in line with the current narrative
the cycle is :
- new manager comes in, take any positive from first match, even if manager only had 45 mins training with the squad, and say this is what real coaching does to a team
- when things go south, pin it on the prior manager for as long as possible, far past the point of credibility
- when its clear new manager is having very similar struggles to prior manager, begin to shift to blaming the players, who are the last managers responsibility. back a 'clear out' and a shift in style.
- eventually turn on the manager and come up with new narrative as to why he was always going to fail (rangnick has managed once in ten years, never managed any big personalities, biggest achievement as a manager is a semi final 15 years ago)
- chose new messiah 'x' who 'cant be worse than y'. if last manager was dictator style, then say new manager will bring good feeling back. if last manager had good feeling, say new manager will bring discipline. here you can suggest roy keane could take a backroom role.
Yet for the better part of the last 3 years we heard nothing from them about "moving on" and "getting players back to their level" from Jose times. It was all about how horrible was the state of the club when Jose left and how huge a rebuild Ole has to do and how much deadwood he has to clear.
This is just a distraction, city paid the same money for a rapist who never played. it doesn't seem to matter that city got a signing wrong. it certainly doesn't mean pep can't perform years on, and if they changed manager and he was muck I think city fans would get laughed at if they said 'well how can he possibly beat newcastle, pep signed the wrong left back 3 years ago????'
The warning signs were there when the players all came out with their own personal brands. I remember being very surprised as they hadn't won anything yet were already acting like champions. It was under Jose I believe. LVG was crazy but it felt like there was still discipline in the squad back then.
I don’t remember anything like this under Ole until the end of his tenure.
Agree on the issue though, football isn’t about signing megastars and that stupid phrase you hear pundits say about ‘good players can play together’ it’s now about being highly tactical and having a squad of dynamic, technical players who are superb all round athletes and fit into a specific system.
Maybe the long term goal should genuinely be to become the peak of the RB football pyramid and then have the natural feeder system already in place globally. I doubt that’s why RR is here but it wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Exactly, the system is more important than the players you have.
I really hope we don't go and sign Rice for £100m because I am sure that he will flop here. The fee, the feeling of I have made it, complacency, wages is not worth it.
I rather us sign 3/4 players for £30/40m each and get rid of players we have. We need players who can perform basic functions and we will see a massive improvement in the team.
I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. I don't think the situations are the same.
Just stop with this nonsense.
Rashy, Jesse, Chongy, Scotty.
His legacy is being one of the worst manager ever in our history and saddling us with a squad filled with entitled babies.
Did enough throughout his reign to keep his job, until the wheels came off. I reckon the Ronaldo signing was his death knell.
The main thing Ole had going for him was a happy dressing room and that led to the slight improvement each season that kept him his job. The Ronaldo signing put paid to that and now we're back with a dodgy atmosphere in the dressing room.
The main thing Ole had going for him was a happy dressing room and that led to the slight improvement each season that kept him his job. The Ronaldo signing put paid to that and now we're back with a dodgy atmosphere in the dressing room.