Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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Question for people who have watched him more than I have: Is he as immobile as Case? In order to dominate games, I think we need a mobile DM to clean up after Bruno and Mount.
He's an incredibly mobile midfielder and is quick at closing the ground to apply some pressure on the opposition. He's no Kanté, but his good reading of the game allows him to take up good positions to stifle the opposition.
 
Question for people who have watched him more than I have: Is he as immobile as Case? In order to dominate games, I think we need a mobile DM to clean up after Bruno and Mount.

Since when is Casemiro immobile? Not saying he's a peak Fernandinho, but he's not exactly Busquets at 35.
 
He's an incredibly mobile midfielder and is quick at closing the ground to apply some pressure on the opposition. He's no Kanté, but his good reading of the game allows him to take up good positions to stifle the opposition.
Thanks. Sounds very promising. Caicedo is the only player out there who reminds me of Kanté but it doesn't seem like EtH thinks we need that type of player.

Since when is Casemiro immobile? Not saying he's a peak Fernandinho, but he's not exactly Busquets at 35.
We'll have to disagree on that one. Case is quality but IMO, his lack of mobility was the primary reason for teams cutting through our midfield like a knife through hot butter at times last season.
 
Thanks. Sounds very promising. Caicedo is the only player out there who reminds me of Kanté but it doesn't seem like EtH thinks we need that type of player.


We'll have to disagree on that one. Case is quality but IMO, his lack of mobility was the primary reason for teams cutting through our midfield like a knife through hot butter at times last season.
That’s madness. Casa was the least of our issues. Eriksen was clearly the big problem who is incredibly slow and immobile. Casa reads the game fantastically so is always in the right place at the right time.
 
That’s madness. Casa was the least of our issues. Eriksen was clearly the big problem who is incredibly slow and immobile. Casa reads the game fantastically so is always in the right place at the right time.

Yeah Eriksen definitely gassed at times
 
Excited to see what our transfer strategy will be like once ETH runs out of former players to sign.
 
We'll have to disagree on that one. Case is quality but IMO, his lack of mobility was the primary reason for teams cutting through our midfield like a knife through hot butter at times last season.

His lack of mobility (as in not being 5 years younger) is a reason but not the primary reason. That's madness. Eriksen's legs, Bruno's spam ball and anyone not named Antony in our attack was the reason of why we lost the ball and found ourselves in transition.
 
He's an incredibly mobile midfielder and is quick at closing the ground to apply some pressure on the opposition. He's no Kanté, but his good reading of the game allows him to take up good positions to stifle the opposition.

Sounds good. Must admit, I dont know him well at all. I just really hope that he could be the type of player we have missed for awhile in midfield. Bit surprised how many in here who seems to know him well. People appear very split in their views on him.

My worry stems from the fact that he is hardly proven at the highest level at the age of 26. Lets hope he is another Fernandinho or van Dijk in that sense.
 
I think he could be quite a big deal for us if we get him. Solid, not spectacular but I genuinely think he gives a profile that I'm not sure we have well covered. Eriksen is good in the buildup but he's incredibly lacking defensively and physically. I think Amrabat outcompetes current Eriksen. I think Amrabat can play the build up alongside Casemiro with Bruno or Mount just ahead if we're going very solid, or he can probably hold the fort when we need to rest Casemiro entirely. Which we absolutely need to. We can't expect Casemiro to put out fires all season behind Mount and Bruno and think he is not going to feel that in the legs. That would be a huge mistake.

It's probably correct to look to shift one or two first though. At the moment we're not particularly rich, that seems evident. McTominay out and Amrabat in with no loss incurred or even a profit would be great business.
 
The caf is still by far the best United forum. RedIssue is a proper nuthouse.
Yeah nah I agree with you fully and I still like this forum above any other United forums out there but sometimes people can get carried away with our younger players.
 
I think he could be quite a big deal for us if we get him. Solid, not spectacular but I genuinely think he gives a profile that I'm not sure we have well covered. Eriksen is good in the buildup but he's incredibly lacking defensively and physically. I think Amrabat outcompetes current Eriksen. I think Amrabat can play the build up alongside Casemiro with Bruno or Mount just ahead if we're going very solid, or he can probably hold the fort when we need to rest Casemiro entirely. Which we absolutely need to. We can't expect Casemiro to put out fires all season behind Mount and Bruno and think he is not going to feel that in the legs. That would be a huge mistake.

It's probably correct to look to shift one or two first though. At the moment we're not particularly rich, that seems evident. McTominay out and Amrabat in with no loss incurred or even a profit would be great business.
And this is exactly what we need - a player capable of playing with or without Casemiro who himself isn't getting younger and who will need to keep fresh over the coming 12 to 24 months to maintain his effectiveness and prolong his career. We also need Amrabat or a player of his ilk to help close out games, say Mount and Bruno help us to race into a lead and we need to close out a game he would be perfect to bring on for Bruno as he keeps the ball better and can help out defensively.

This is an important signing, as important as Onana and/or striker in my view.
 
Amrabat as well as Mount and Mainoo seriously upgrades on one of McTominay or Fred and VDB all leaving seeing as Fernandes, Casemiro and Eriksen already.
 
Amrabat as well as Mount and Mainoo seriously upgrades on one of McTominay or Fred and VDB all leaving seeing as Fernandes, Casemiro and Eriksen already.
That would probably be our best set of midfielders in years, both starting quality and depth/flexibility. Super excited to see what we can achieve with this engine.
 
Thanks. Sounds very promising. Caicedo is the only player out there who reminds me of Kanté but it doesn't seem like EtH thinks we need that type of player.


We'll have to disagree on that one. Case is quality but IMO, his lack of mobility was the primary reason for teams cutting through our midfield like a knife through hot butter at times last season.

Quite a bizarre take puttin Casemeiro as the primary reason we were cut through at times. Feel more a case of him being the prime reason we werent cut through far more easily and more often.....wont even go into the other players in midfield who wer and are all lacking in either mobility or awareness and positioning, some of them in both
 
That’s madness. Casa was the least of our issues. Eriksen was clearly the big problem who is incredibly slow and immobile. Casa reads the game fantastically so is always in the right place at the right time.

Completely agree on Eriksen but wrong thread. I like what I have seen of Amrabat which isnt that much and I guess a fee under £30m seems a good deal....personally I would rather we were spending a similar fee on a second striker over another central midfielder, even selling McFred and McTominay, I still think there are enough options and personally have enough faith in Hannibal and Mainoo making up the numbers and that has nothing to do with the preseason so far as havent seen anything but highlights, just think they both have the intelligence and technical ability to play a role at times next year,

Dont have the same faith in Martial staying as a second striker, Greenwood even playing or a new striker hitting the ground running and making the position there own for a whole season without back up, we need options, we have them in midfield and on the flanks, we dont up front
 
I think this deal is mirroring the McTominay deal, if McTominay is sold, we'll pull the trigger on this one.

Think it isnt just Mctominay, think we are looking at him for relative experience for our midfield if we manage to move on McFred and probably VDB as well. Even though Sabitzer has moved on, we still have huge numbers Casemeiro, Mount, Eriksen, Fernandes, Mainoo, Hannibal can all play a couple of the midfield positions we would just be on the bench a little short of legs that also have experience defensively at least
 
I think he could be quite a big deal for us if we get him. Solid, not spectacular but I genuinely think he gives a profile that I'm not sure we have well covered. Eriksen is good in the buildup but he's incredibly lacking defensively and physically. I think Amrabat outcompetes current Eriksen. I think Amrabat can play the build up alongside Casemiro with Bruno or Mount just ahead if we're going very solid, or he can probably hold the fort when we need to rest Casemiro entirely. Which we absolutely need to. We can't expect Casemiro to put out fires all season behind Mount and Bruno and think he is not going to feel that in the legs. That would be a huge mistake.

It's probably correct to look to shift one or two first though. At the moment we're not particularly rich, that seems evident. McTominay out and Amrabat in with no loss incurred or even a profit would be great business.

I havent seen preseason to see how he has been utilised.....but isnt Mount already the signing to replace the role of Eriksen? If so, personally I am happy with Mainoo as a back up to Casemeiro with some opportunities in the Mount/Eriksen role if either are moved to rest Fernandes for certain games or within them....I really dont think we need Arambat even though I have liked him the few times seen him play, prefer two strikers signed
 
Thanks. Sounds very promising. Caicedo is the only player out there who reminds me of Kanté but it doesn't seem like EtH thinks we need that type of player.


We'll have to disagree on that one. Case is quality but IMO, his lack of mobility was the primary reason for teams cutting through our midfield like a knife through hot butter at times last season.

You realize Case was the reason our midfield actually WASN'T cut through right? Eriksen was generally the reason for lack of midfield stability (against good teams), not Casemiro. Pretty insane take.
 
I havent seen preseason to see how he has been utilised.....but isnt Mount already the signing to replace the role of Eriksen? If so, personally I am happy with Mainoo as a back up to Casemeiro with some opportunities in the Mount/Eriksen role if either are moved to rest Fernandes for certain games or within them....I really dont think we need Arambat even though I have liked him the few times seen him play, prefer two strikers signed

I just don't see where we are finding a second striker for the price we are getting Amrabat for though (at least one that is any good). And I think it's great business adding another excellent technical midfielder that is versatile and can play deeper considering the price. We can't afford to have singular injuries derailing how we play and our approach to games. Amrabat coming means we have sufficient depth across all three midfield spots and wouldn't need to compromise in approach much no matter who is available.
 
I just don't see where we are finding a second striker for the price we are getting Amrabat for though (at least one that is any good). And I think it's great business adding another excellent technical midfielder that is versatile and can play deeper considering the price. We can't afford to have singular injuries derailing how we play and our approach to games. Amrabat coming means we have sufficient depth across all three midfield spots and wouldn't need to compromise in approach much no matter who is available.

Gift Orban £20m. BOSH.
 
I havent seen preseason to see how he has been utilised.....but isnt Mount already the signing to replace the role of Eriksen? If so, personally I am happy with Mainoo as a back up to Casemeiro with some opportunities in the Mount/Eriksen role if either are moved to rest Fernandes for certain games or within them....I really dont think we need Arambat even though I have liked him the few times seen him play, prefer two strikers signed
If we are to assume ETH favours Casemiro/Mount/Bruno then yes, Mount is nominally a replacement for Eriksen in a first XI I would have thought.

It's probably not about one role or replacing one player but covering off a profile of skills for our midfield. I see Amrabat as a bit of a bridge between Casemiro and the many forward thinking players we have. Not as defensively solid as Casemiro but more physically robust than Eriksen and more able to build play then Mount, Bruno McFred.
 
His lack of mobility (as in not being 5 years younger) is a reason but not the primary reason. That's madness. Eriksen's legs, Bruno's spam ball and anyone not named Antony in our attack was the reason of why we lost the ball and found ourselves in transition.
Fair enough. It was one reason, not the primary reason. And yes, I agreee, Eriksen was another - and perhaps more important - reason.

However, I do fear we will have the same issues this season. If we want to play with Mount and Bruno in midfield, I think we need someone more mobile than Case to cover for them.
 
That would probably be our best set of midfielders in years, both starting quality and depth/flexibility. Super excited to see what we can achieve with this engine.
Be patient my brother. People will be very surprised with how the team will evolve. I was extremely vocal since January in us having 2 midfielders before even having a striker, people thought I was crazy and it has happened as I said it. Solve the midfield issues, we elevate the team into high levels.

I didn't predict the collapse of De Gea thus buying a new GK, but now with Onana + 2 midfielders just rub your hands bro. Striking was the least of our problems in regards to set up of the team. We just lacked a 'good available' striker.

Only a calamity will make the new season not to be a success. But with a normal season all through, upcoming season will be the most exciting and successful season since 2013. Just wait you will see.
 
Be patient my brother. People will be very surprised with how the team will evolve. I was extremely vocal since January in us having 2 midfielders before even having a striker, people thought I was crazy and it has happened as I said it. Solve the midfield issues, we elevate the team into high levels.

I didn't predict the collapse of De Gea thus buying a new GK, but now with Onana + 2 midfielders just rub your hands bro. Striking was the least of our problems in regards to set up of the team. We just lacked a 'good available' striker.

Only a calamity will make the new season not to be a success. But with a normal season all through, upcoming season will be the most exciting and successful season since 2013. Just wait you will see.
Not convinced. Need more assurance and trust me bro.
 
Really liked his World Cup performances, he could be quite the player for us.
 
Amrabat, Eriksen and Mainoo as back ups and rotations to Casemiro, Bruno and Mount is so much more appealing to McFred!
That really does begin to finally give us some hope in our depth.

For far too long we’ve had a massive fall off every time one of our starting line up either gets suspended or injured.

We’ve been very lucky the last few years that Bruno has been available virtually every game of his utd career. It’s finally good to have another option in Mount for his position.
 
If we sell McFred as is mooted. We will have gone from the following midfield in 21/22:

Matic (over the hill)
McTominay
Fred
Pogba (injured all year)
Lingard (Beans)
Fernandes (lone bright spark)
Van der Beek (MIA)

to this midfield this season:

Casemiro
Mount
Fernandes
Eriksen
Amrabat
Mainoo

That’s a fecking remarkable turnaround in 18 months. The difference in quality and balance is just remarkable. It would genuinely be a case of not worrying if any of our midfield options were starting. No huge drop off in quality when rotation or injury occurs. This would be exciting.
 
Be patient my brother. People will be very surprised with how the team will evolve. I was extremely vocal since January in us having 2 midfielders before even having a striker, people thought I was crazy and it has happened as I said it. Solve the midfield issues, we elevate the team into high levels.

I didn't predict the collapse of De Gea thus buying a new GK, but now with Onana + 2 midfielders just rub your hands bro. Striking was the least of our problems in regards to set up of the team. We just lacked a 'good available' striker.

Only a calamity will make the new season not to be a success. But with a normal season all through, upcoming season will be the most exciting and successful season since 2013. Just wait you will see.
It’s nice to read a positive post for a change, considering the caf is the home of negativity and moaning.

I hope you are right. I trust in Erik and am confident this season we will advance to where we want to be.
 
Fair enough. It was one reason, not the primary reason. And yes, I agreee, Eriksen was another - and perhaps more important - reason.

However, I do fear we will have the same issues this season. If we want to play with Mount and Bruno in midfield, I think we need someone more mobile than Case to cover for them.

Why? Mount is extremely mobile. Has an incredible engine. Going from Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno to Casemiro, Mount, Bruno only increases The work rate and mobility of the midfield.
 
I think this signing happens only if two out of Fred Mctominay and VDB are sold. ideally I would like all 3 to leave and Bring in Amrabat with Mainoo also getting regular minutes. Not a big fan of having too many players in the squad in the same positions. Before the start of the 21/22 season I was vocal against the ridiculous amount of forwards we have and I predicted it's going to derail our season. Many people said it's fine as it's a long season and there will be need for rotation but having too many players is just as bad. That season we had the following forwards: Ronaldo, Rahford, Sancho, Martial, Cavani, Mata, Greenwood and Lingard. With Pellistri Amad and Elanga also in the squad.

It was the same problem with Chelsea this season. Quality is much more important than quantity. Also if we plan on keeping Mejbri and Mainoo in the squad there needs to be a prospect of playing time for them, otherwise it's the same situation as we put Pellistri in and it's a very discouraging position to be in for young players.
 
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