Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan
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Why don’t you do the same?
I think it’s time for you to log off pal, you’ve had enough for one day.
Haha, solid work
I cosine this message
You say that but they've spent near the exact same amount of us since Artera came. They've only exited a handful more as well and like us mostly fringe players. Like us they also have players they're struggling to offload. The difference is they've done good business on who they bring in.
Our fans have a habit of looking at everything as if we're in a unique position and playing the victim. We spend enough to be competitive but when you're throwing around huge figures for players you can't afford many to go wrong and that's the phase we're in, fixing mistakes just like Arsenal were.
Wow, things have escalated in here today
The difference is Arteta has had 4 years of fixing the squad and Ten hag has had one season.
The difference is up until last season the Glazers hired Woodward to dictate transfer policy which involved bloating current contracts to inflate player asset worth and outright wasting money.
Our wage bill was bloated far more than Arsenal's which left Murtough severely handicapped in selling deadwood.
Amrabat is not a Casemiro replacement, he adds something Casemiro doesn’t. He is a first phase midfielder and will be important for our buildup.
Mount because other clubs were interested and Chelsea needed to sell early in the window.
Onana because of how poor De Gea finished the season and once it was decided that we weren't renewing him we needed a new first choice GK.
I would say all of these represent a very clear and coherent strategy, putting pieces in place to allow Ten Hag to work towards the sort of football he has produced elsewhere in his career and talked about wanting to produce here.
-He wanted FDJ for a physical, defensively-solid but also creative deep midfielder with Champions League pedigree. He couldn't get him - never really on the cards - so we got Casemiro instead, who surprised many fans with his all-round and creative performances on top of the expected defensive contribution.
-He wants hard-working, line-hugging wingers who don't lose the ball too much, who press intelligently and understand how to position themselves to transition well, who can commit defenders. Particularly, the club hasn't really had a proper right winger since Valencia (!). He got Antony, and clearly likes what he sees because he always plays when fit despite options like Amad and Pellistri who fans clamour to see more of.
-He needed an intelligent #8 who understands transitional football, who can press effectively (not just energetically) and has an engine. Didn't need to be wildly creative because Bruno already brings that. He couldn't get one, first summer, but Eriksen ticked several of those boxes. Mount is more in line with what he probably wanted, particularly his pressing and workmate.
Sancho I'll give you. It seemed he was being signed as that right winger, and quickly became clear he's not good from the right. But then that wasn't an ETH-era signing, was it.
We've regularly overpaid, for sure. But there's a very clear plan behind the majority of our signings, including others you haven't mentioned, like Varane, Martinez, Onana. I'd just argue you want the plan to be something different to what it is. Which is your prerogative, but ETH is the manager and it's his plan.
I think this may have been done before, but can one of the FFP nerds tell us what percentage of our summer budget (on an amortized basis) is made up of Mount's amortized transfer fee plus wages?
That's all well and good if he's happy to come here as a rotational option. Bruno and Mount will be starting nearly every game you would assume.
I’m very easily confused but, in this case, I thought I had gone quite mad.
Amrabat should offer balance to the team. Cas, Mount, Bruno along with our 3 up front is just too powder puff and easy to over run. Cas can’t do it all. Why the Glazers won’t offer up the money for him is a farce. This signing is a must.
What's with United fans nowadays, speaking like they are Jose fecking Mourinho
I said this and someone told me to stop finding things to be negative about. Nothing screams 'priority target' like telling a bloke you're going to bid for him in June, forcing him to train on his own and miss the opening of the season, then coming in for him on deadline day with a £2m loan deal...
I would highly doubt he is happy to be designated a rotation option. He’s coming to compete for a place in the team. Sometimes he’ll be selected sometimes not. The better he plays the more he’ll be selected. He knows that, we know that; what’s the problem?
The problem is that we plan to play with one 6 and two 8's for the majority of our games. Amrabat doesn't really fit into that system if he isn't the starting 6.
The mismanagement at this club sets him up to fail, with the high expectations.
At this stage I don't think we will need to concern ourselves where he would fit.
This thread has gone of the rails.
What the actual fek.
Would rather not sign him tbh.
He can play as the no6 no problem. He might even be able to fill in at no8. Within games or as a tactical variation we might switch to a double pivot. He’s being bought to be used imo.
Possibly he will struggle to get a lot of starts but it’s down to him to prove himself. He wouldn’t be happy if you told him he’s not going to start games, of course not. But who would pre-determine that and tell him so? Nobody with any sense. Going on what EtH has been saying in interviews, I surmise he would be competition for no6. He will get games there imo.
Something something Mason Mount.
So far today: Sack ten Hag and replace Casemiro. Well done cafe, you never disappoint.
We've seen the same thing happening for 10 years now. Some United fans will never call out bullshit when it's in their face, will actually wait for the whole thing to blow out and then act surprised. The whole summer has been an absolute farce and it's not "being negative" if you say what it is.
Just like our transfer window. Par for the course I say.
He can play as the 6, but we won't be dropping Casemiro. I agree that he is being signed as a tactical variation, but that sounds like a squad role to me. We already have competition for the 6 in Mainoo. McTominay is still hanging around too.
All well and good but when I come here for some info on the player all I see is bickering and moaning. More than enough threads for that elsewhere.
Who are we refusing to offload? There are no takers for our players because of the insane wages we give them. No other clubs can match that. So we end up getting quoted peanuts as transfer fee and also players refuse to leave as no one will match their current wages.
We have stop giving silly wages to players. The problem is two fold - managers not identifying correct players and us giving silly wages and wage extensions all the time. Investment has never been a problem for us. Let's say for example we sign an amazing LB or an academy prospect becomes a world beater LB, there is no way we can sell Shaw for any money even though he is a very good player and English national. He will be happy to sit in our bench because there is no way any other club in the world is paying as much for a LB.
My understanding was the back injury was discovered in the medical…so it would be strange for the club to then put the brakes at the medical stage to look for a no.6?
Not sure I see the connection you are making?
You assume wrong. Amrabat will start most games. Don’t be surprised to see Bruno out on the RW
Maguire we refused to payoff despite him having no business at the club.
Mctominay we refused £30m for despite that being probably his price.
There are two.
No idea what you’re on about to be honestWhat's with United fans nowadays, speaking like they are Jose fecking Mourinho
If Amrabat joins one of Bruno or Mount will end up on the wing most games unless Case or Amrabat are injured.
We agreed personal terms with Amrabat in June. The manager isn’t responsible for leaving it till now to put the bid in, we all know who is responsible
Indeed that is what I said…
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