Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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Does anyone know if a loan with an obligation to buy has to go on this season's books or the next?

His contract is up in 2024, there is an option to extend.

Fiorentina aren't going to agree to that and lose him for less money than they can get now.
 
Perhaps we're wanting a loan to buy if the fee is reasonable next season. If Forest had 17 mill accepted then we'd want to match that but I guess we're not prepared to get involved in another 30-40 million player that could be underwhelming. Of course many possibilities from all hype to whatever.
 
We don't need cover, really. We have that. We need better quality of options and more skillset variety.

We arguably have 6 senior players (Bruno, Mount, Eriksen, VDB, McTominay, Casemiro) for 3 midfield positions at the moment. More if you include youngsters like Hannibal & Mainoo. Even if we drill into DMs specifically, we have 3 DMs at the club: Case, Scott and Mainoo. I don't rate Scott as DM but that's where ETH played him all of last season, so it is what it is. If Scott doesn't leave, it's hard to argue we need more DM cover. Especially when we only play with 1 DM in our default line-up.

If we're arguing that we need to improve the quality of our options, or add someone with a slightly different skillset (i.e. more DLP than DM) then yes. I would agree there. But ultimately there is only a limited number of first team players that we can register (25) and just adding players without selling creates more problems than it solves. We're in a situation where we really need to sell or loan out players to make space for new ones.
Yes I think we are light in midfield. We have one true dm in Casemiro and no real dlp. With Amrabat we have cover and a dlp.
 
€27m is nothing these days, but didn’t forest agree a deal at £17m? Or was that nonsense?
 
What Ducker says doesn’t really make sense to me. Buying him for 22m on a 5 year contract costs us 4.5m in terms of FFP this year. If we can loan him with a 2m plus fee it seems a bit absurd to suggest we can’t afford to buy him due to FFP. The reality is we probably we don’t want to buy him - we want him for 12 months but then Mainoo will be a year older and next summer we’ll want to sign a better DM to replace/rotate with Casemiro.
 
What Ducker says doesn’t really make sense to me. Buying him for 22m on a 5 year contract costs us 4.5m in terms of FFP this year. If we can loan him with a 2m plus fee it seems a bit absurd to suggest we can’t afford to buy him due to FFP. The reality is we probably we don’t want to buy him - we want him for 12 months but then Mainoo will be a year older and next summer we’ll want to sign a better DM to replace/rotate with Casemiro.

Unless the problem is cash rather than FFP. More palatable to publicly blame FFP (rather than admit you are broke).
 
Sounds reasonable. But then, why was Mount and Onana the prioritised targets?
Because they were more important plus Ducker is full of shit these days. I’m not even sure that’s the profile of Amrabat on top of that
 
Sounds reasonable. But then, why was Mount and Onana the prioritised targets?
I'd add Højlund to that list. If we were aware he had an injury that would keep him out for a few weeks, what was the rush to get it done knowing he wasn't going to be available anyway?
 
What Ducker says doesn’t really make sense to me. Buying him for 22m on a 5 year contract costs us 4.5m in terms of FFP this year. If we can loan him with a 2m plus fee it seems a bit absurd to suggest we can’t afford to buy him due to FFP. The reality is we probably we don’t want to buy him - we want him for 12 months but then Mainoo will be a year older and next summer we’ll want to sign a better DM to replace/rotate with Casemiro.
FFP talk is Something I find hard to believe it's more likely as you have mentioned we simply don't want to Commit to any thing more than a year at the moment for Amrabat preferably a deal with an option should work , but I do think If Ten Hag would really insist on this then deal would get done and all the talk of FFP would be conveniently forgotten .
 
Sounds reasonable. But then, why was Mount and Onana the prioritised targets?

Because we need them too? A new GK was top priority but a Eriksen replacement/Bruno understudy was high up on the list too.

I think ETH expected Mount to be more versatile but all he had to do was ask any England fan who has watched him stink up every tournament.
 
What Ducker says doesn’t really make sense to me. Buying him for 22m on a 5 year contract costs us 4.5m in terms of FFP this year. If we can loan him with a 2m plus fee it seems a bit absurd to suggest we can’t afford to buy him due to FFP. The reality is we probably we don’t want to buy him - we want him for 12 months but then Mainoo will be a year older and next summer we’ll want to sign a better DM to replace/rotate with Casemiro.
He’s chatting shit. A loan with an obligation to buy is accounted as buying him outright on this years accounts. It doesn’t do anything for FFP.
So many of our ITK journos are full of shit and simply guess. Bloomberg of all sources reported the cash available being 250m odd but ffp meant we couldn’t spend it all
 
We're hardballing everyone on the market is seems.


Seems like a cool plan, tell everyone we're skint and low ball them for players.

I like it.

How did that work out for Liverpool when negotiating for Romeo Lavia?
 
I wouldn't bother with the obligation. He's fine for now, but we can set our sights higher next summer.

But where’s the incentive for Fiorentina? They are only happy to loan him on the proviso that they get £25 million from us next summer.
 
So not only was the noise around Amrabat not just his agent blowing smoke, ETH considers it an important signing.

and we left it until the last 2 days of the window while achieving nothing else in the meantime.

another masterclass in amateurism from Murtough and the boardroom boys
 
I wouldn't bother with the obligation. He's fine for now, but we can set our sights higher next summer.

Not likely they will loan him without one. We should keep him next summer and replace Casemiro
 
But where’s the incentive for Fiorentina? They are only happy to loan him on the proviso that they get £25 million from us next summer.
Zero incentive. I just don't see the point in us digging an even bigger hole for ourselves and being compromised into signing a player who will prevent us from signing someone better a year from now.
 
Because we need them too? A new GK was top priority but a Eriksen replacement/Bruno understudy was high up on the list too.

I think ETH expected Mount to be more versatile but all he had to do was ask any England fan who has watched him stink up every tournament.

Why don’t you ask Chelsea fans what they think of Mount…
 
Not likely they will loan him without one. We should keep him next summer and replace Casemiro
Couldn't agree more. Unless Saudi come calling next season, he's going to be a nightmare to move on with the wages that he's on.
 
Never a truer word spoken. And it’s mad - it’s not that we didn’t have the money to spend - it’s that we spent it on the wrong players - Sancho, Antony, Casemiro, Mount cumulatively cost €250million - regardless of opinions or views, none represent good value or clear planning. It’s really irritating.

Also, even if you forget about those top tier players. Look at some of the other transfers these last 2 windows that we seemingly were not interested in -

nunes €38million to wolves
Vitinha€40 million to psg
Botman €37 million to newcastle
Viera €35million to Arsenal
Onana €35million to Everton
Gravenberch €20million to Bayern
Gusto€30million to Chelsea
Akanji €17million to City
Torres €33million to Villa - Fuking Villa
Kudus€45 million to Fuking west ham
KOVACIC €30 million

my god we get mugged for the wrong players. It’s like we need to buy big to prove we can instead of just using logic.

there is value - we are just not interested - wrong place, wrong player, wrong time.

Cheers Captain hindsight. Why are you trying to lump Sancho in there? Don't remember too many complaints when we were linked to him. There was a monumental meltdown the summer we didn't secure him and he was often described as 'generational' on here. He was one of the most productive talents in Europe, the signing just hasn't worked out.

To suggest Sancho at the time of signing didn't represent good value is just nonsense and a re-writing of history. Immensely talented player at Dortmund and realistically if he continued that form here we would have had a top tier talent for the next decade. unfortunately for us, he's lost his way here.
 
We've 3rd in net transfer expenditure this summer and only 16mil off being the top of that list.

It isn't money holding us back its decision making. We've signed 3 expensive players this summer which is rare for any window.

Your kidding right!? Posts like this do my head in.

Our net spend is relatively high because we refuse the offload players. The don't want to actualise losses on players like Maguire by paying them off to go.

I say again, our main rivals matched our treble. There should have been some real intent from the club to overhaul the squad, remove the deadwood and reinvest in players who may actually make it here. Instead we are meandering on through yet another season with players at the club who should have been moved on long ago, blocking us moving forward.

You look at home many players Arteta was able to get out of Arsenal over the past 18 months, either through sales or cancelling contracts. That's what a club with a level of ambition is willing to do. With the Glazer's sporting comes second to profits.

You say we have signed expensive players... We aren't dining at the top table, not even in the conversation for players like Rice who we actually need.

The board is totally corrupt and exists only to facilitate the business goals of the Glazers. And let me tell you, those goals don't include winning trophies.
 
We desperately needed a top level CM and the failure to sign one is embarrasing. We should never have wasted the money on Casemiro, who will need replacing by end of season, and Antony is a joke. Why we didnt look at a player like Maddison to replace Eriksen is beyond me

Because Maddison is CAM/LW, we utilise Eriksen much deeper. It would be the exact same situation you're crying about with Mount.
 
I think it is time for Ten Hag to pack his bags. This is not going to end well.
 
Major surprise if this doesn't get done, having said that, got to hope however small that Ten Hag pulls the proverbial rabbit out of a hat with a real quality last minute acquisition that no one saw coming, we can but hope/dream.
 
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