Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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sebsheep said:
Ah that makes more sense. Yeah, the clips I've seen of him don't look great.

Haven't seen any link between him and ETH which means he may actually be fully from the scouts, that could be the most worrying thing :lol:
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Well Ajax were heavily linked with him after Onana got banned...
 
We need to remember City have quietly gone about spending £230 ml..while we are claiming bargain basement £1 ml loan deals. Need to keep this in mind when we play them lot. A lot of this traces back to the Leeches., Who still won't let go!
 
ColvaleGoa said:
We need to remember City have quietly gone about spending £230 ml..while we are claiming bargain basement £1 ml loan deals. Need to keep this in mind when we play them lot. A lot of this traces back to the Leeches., Who still won't let go!
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City have made over £100m in sales. Our biggest outgoing is still fecking Elanga
 
Woziak said:
The Glazers have taken copious amounts of money from the clubs in dividends over the years and that’s why they were fined this year, because they have never invested a single penny of their own money!

Had they invested the £90m allowed over the last 3 years, the club would be able to operate in a completely different way this summer. Most of the clubs transfers are not paid in upfront payments but amortised over 4/5 years, Deals like Antony was signed on 5 years at £82m or £16.4m per season plus wages of £10m per year so he currently costs the club £26.4m from our allowance if £567m this summer, if you go through the whole squad and add this summers transfers which have all been amortised, there should be £25-30m net left over and the three transfers made are all 5 year contracts so £43m for Onana £8.6m per, Mount £55m or £11m per year and then R Hojlund at £12.8m, of course we need to add the wages to those figures but we have also lost De Gea wages, Fred wages, P Jones, Tuanzebe, Ronaldo(6months),
Sabitzer(6 months), A Teles, Weghorst which is £1.1m per week or £57m per year saving, even if we add Rashford new contract, Onana, Mount and Hojlund wages that’s only about £32m which means there is already a net saving of £25m on wages plus the saving in last years accounts because of the clause in all the squads contracts that reduces by 20/25% if they fail to qualify for the Champions League.

The Financial sustainability rules which start this year are not overly complicated but extremely transparent, even Fifa have put in new Agents examinations and stringent changes to maximising the Agents fees to between 5 and 10% now so the days of Agents earning £30-40m out of a transfer are no longer an option.

The simple fact is, the Glazers can not continue to own the club without Some form of investment, because the club is no longer making profits but instead makes a loss due to nearly £30-40m per year being paid by the club in interest payments just to service the historic debt of £560m.

Next year FSP reduces to 80% which will have a significant impact, especially if the Glazers are still in charge of the club. The first thing any new owners would want to do to have a significant affect on transfers is to pay the historic debt off first then to pay of all the amortised transfer debt owed by Man United to the various clubs around Europe.
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A couple of points arise from this.

Amortised costs are different to debt aren’t they? Talking about the debt as if it is linked to the amortisation is a bit confusing. A £50m transfer fee amortised as £10m a year for five years might have a very different payment schedule. Paying off the debt wouldn’t affect the amortisation, as far as I understand.

Paying off the financial debt would be great of course because of the interest costs. But clearing outstanding payments to clubs won’t help with FSP accounting, will it?

Are you saying the Glazers were fined for not investing their own money? I thought the infraction was a reporting error to do with COVID.

FSP will fall again to 70% the year after. That might in fact encourage the Glazers to stick around.
 
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OrcaFat said:
A couple of points arise from this.

Amortised costs are different to debt aren’t they? Talking about the debt as if it is linked to the amortisation is a bit confusing. A £50m transfer fee amortised as £10m a year for five years might have a very different payment schedule. Paying off the debt wouldn’t affect the amortisation, as far as I understand.

Paying off the financial debt would be great of course because of the interest costs. But clearing outstanding payments to clubs won’t help with FSP accounting, will it?

Are you saying the Glazers were fined for not investing their own money? I thought the infarction was a reporting error to do with COVID.

FSP will fall again to 70% the year after. That might in fact encourage the Glazers to stick around.
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Is it not so obvious to people that this deal is done and the Glazers are definitely going? I’m just waiting on an announcement at this stage as I believe the sale is a formality.
 
What are we even doing here? Feels like we're screwing the player around all summer. Weak and pathetic imo. Knowing us, we'll fail w a last minute bid and he'll go for 5 quid to some other club.
 
Good to see a player so desperate to join ManUtd. I hope we agree some sort of loan + option or obligation to buy if we don't have money. We need numbers in midfield.
 
Our local rivals equal our historic treble and our response is to have one of a our transfer windows in awhile, whilst the leeches refuse to sell the club for an eye watering profit. It really wants to make me give up on football, makes me sick a club with the biggest fanbase in the world is held back by a single family only out to profit.
 
lilcurt said:
Our local rivals equal our historic treble and our response is to have one of a our transfer windows in awhile, whilst the leeches refuse to sell the club for an eye watering profit. It really wants to make me give up on football, makes me sick a club with the biggest fanbase in the world is held back by a single family only out to profit.
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Don’t expect much under the glazers. It makes everything easier.
 
lilcurt said:
Our local rivals equal our historic treble and our response is to have one of a our transfer windows in awhile, whilst the leeches refuse to sell the club for an eye watering profit. It really wants to make me give up on football, makes me sick a club with the biggest fanbase in the world is held back by a single family only out to profit.
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We've 3rd in net transfer expenditure this summer and only 16mil off being the top of that list.

It isn't money holding us back its decision making. We've signed 3 expensive players this summer which is rare for any window.
 
Smores said:
We've 3rd in net transfer expenditure this summer and only 16mil off being the top of that list.

It isn't money holding us back its decision making. We've signed 3 expensive players this summer which is rare for any window.
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Its selling players that is holding us back. Combined with teh legacy of stupid deals for average players on massively inflated salaries. Down to Woodward but ultimately the Glazers.
 
Smores said:
We've 3rd in net transfer expenditure this summer and only 16mil off being the top of that list.

It isn't money holding us back its decision making. We've signed 3 expensive players this summer which is rare for any window.
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Broadly becsuse we have sold terribly, which is a Glazer problem. What are our gross sums looking like?
 
AndySmith1990 said:
City have made over £100m in sales. Our biggest outgoing is still fecking Elanga
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Henderson* £20M

& what you have to remember is City have players clubs want to buy. We dont!

Who wants a crock DVB or Martial? No one who has the cash to spend big!

& Maguire doesn’t want to go and McT valuation may be a little high. But then again, the CAF would complain we sold too cheaply but there we go….
 
OrcaFat said:
A couple of points arise from this.

Amortised costs are different to debt aren’t they? Talking about the debt as if it is linked to the amortisation is a bit confusing. A £50m transfer fee amortised as £10m a year for five years might have a very different payment schedule. Paying off the debt wouldn’t affect the amortisation, as far as I understand.

Paying off the financial debt would be great of course because of the interest costs. But clearing outstanding payments to clubs won’t help with FSP accounting, will it?

Are you saying the Glazers were fined for not investing their own money? I thought the infraction was a reporting error to do with COVID.

FSP will fall again to 70% the year after. That might in fact encourage the Glazers to stick around.
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Correct, amortisation and debt have no relation at all. The poster you’re responding to doesn’t seem to have any financial reporting understanding and is just spouting gibberish with made up terms. Amortised transfer debts is not a thing.

Paying off supplier debts to clubs for transfers won’t help anything, no. They are agreed payment structures and essentially free loans. Paying them early would be the height of stupidity.

We were definitely not fined because the Glazers didn’t inject directors capital. Yes, UEFA changed the way Covid losses were allowed which made us show a loss.
 
Gordon Godot said:
Its selling players that is holding us back. Combined with teh legacy of stupid deals for average players on massively inflated salaries. Down to Woodward but ultimately the Glazers.
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Did Woodward sanction:

- the Mount deal? €50 plus million on an out of form player in the last year of his contract in a position that was low priority?
-decide not to bring in a CB first to force Maguire out
-to spend the chunk of our budget on an unfit inexperienced striker
-to spend €60million on a stop gap midfielder last season having spent the entire window chasing a lost cause
-to give jadon Sancho half a season off only for him to return to still be a useless bench player
-to bring players like VDB and McT on tour instead of sending a clear message at the end of last season that we were overhauling our squad
- to sell Fred for pittance when he has the energy we are lacking and would do a better job coming off the bench then McT, who we could have gotten 3 times as much for allowing us to bring in another midfield reinforcement

I could just go on and on about the bizzare and seemingly unprofessional way Utd do business but it’s silly to think the gaffer is standing there with a master plan and it’s just that no one is listening to him. I like ETH but his approach to the squad and transfers has been far from impressive.
 
captaincantona said:
Did Woodward sanction:

- the Mount deal? €50 plus million on an out of form player in the last year of his contract in a position that was low priority?
-decide not to bring in a CB first to force Maguire out
-to spend the chunk of our budget on an unfit inexperienced striker
-to spend €60million on a stop gap midfielder last season having spent the entire window chasing a lost cause
-to give jadon Sancho half a season off only for him to return to still be a useless bench player
-to bring players like VDB and McT on tour instead of sending a clear message at the end of last season that we were overhauling our squad
- to sell Fred for pittance when he has the energy we are lacking and would do a better job coming off the bench then McT, who we could have gotten 3 times as much for allowing us to bring in another midfield reinforcement

I could just go on and on about the bizzare and seemingly unprofessional way Utd do business but it’s silly to think the gaffer is standing there with a master plan and it’s just that no one is listening to him. I like ETH but his approach to the squad and transfers has been far from impressive.
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We will never know!! But I’m sure there are easier ways of how we could plan.

I mean i criticise Chelsea a lot but if we maybe focused on removing the deadwood first like they did we wouldn’t be in this awful scrambling mess.

It’s not the first time either. We did this in January with Ralf. We had decent offers for Lingard but we decided to hang on to him for no reason and lose money.
 
Mainoldo said:
We will never know!! But I’m sure there are easier ways of how we could plan.

I mean i criticise Chelsea a lot but if we maybe focused on removing the deadwood first like they did we wouldn’t be in this awful scrambling mess.

It’s not the first time either. We did this in January with Ralf. We had decent offers for Lingard but we decided to hang on to him for no reason and lose money.
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The whole football management is a mess. Nothing has changed, Glazers dont care. The new guys are no better than Woodward. We need to be ruthless, put Maguire in U21s, get deadwood out. Dont allow manager to buy their favourites without full scouting approval. ETH is just as bad as Ole. Club is still a joke I'm afraid
 
captaincantona said:
Did Woodward sanction:

- the Mount deal? €50 plus million on an out of form player in the last year of his contract in a position that was low priority?
-decide not to bring in a CB first to force Maguire out
-to spend the chunk of our budget on an unfit inexperienced striker
-to spend €60million on a stop gap midfielder last season having spent the entire window chasing a lost cause
-to give jadon Sancho half a season off only for him to return to still be a useless bench player
-to bring players like VDB and McT on tour instead of sending a clear message at the end of last season that we were overhauling our squad
- to sell Fred for pittance when he has the energy we are lacking and would do a better job coming off the bench then McT, who we could have gotten 3 times as much for allowing us to bring in another midfield reinforcement

I could just go on and on about the bizzare and seemingly unprofessional way Utd do business but it’s silly to think the gaffer is standing there with a master plan and it’s just that no one is listening to him. I like ETH but his approach to the squad and transfers has been far from impressive.
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You missed out blowing 80m or whatever it was on Antony - a player that looks more like a 30-40m max player which is looking worse with every passing day.

What is bizarre is that we have struggled to sell our of form players but Chelsea have seemingly made a dime from their dead wood.
 
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The Athletic are stating that we have offered €1m loan now and a further €1m later with a January break if we don’t want it. Are we really at the stage where we are looking at loans for pivotal places in our team, seriously this is the behaviour of division 1 teams. We have a buyer who wants to wipe the dent, and invest in every aspect to f the club, and run the club not as a business primarily. Yet these vile parasitic wankers are still here, WHY???? The money has gone and they can not milk anymore, you refuse to invest, i know they can’t/won’t but why are the Premier league not getting involved as they are not fit and proper owners. People’s need to cease any financials to any of the club sponsors and write to the sponsors informing them of this, this the ONLY way to hurt these scummy shithouses
 
IRONTUSK said:
You missed out blowing 80m or whatever it was on Antony - a player that looks more like a 30-40m max player which is looking worse with every passing day.

What is bizarre is that we have struggled to sell out of form players but Chelsea have seemingly made a dime from their dead wood.
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Chelsea have signed some good players that for various reasons havent worked out. We overpay fees and then stupid inflated salaries. Thats why we cant shift them. Maguire and McT not good enough, but we are not ruthless.
 
Gordon Godot said:
The whole football management is a mess. Nothing has changed, Glazers dont care. The new guys are no better than Woodward. We need to be ruthless, put Maguire in U21s, get deadwood out. Dont allow manager to buy their favourites without full scouting approval. ETH is just as bad as Ole. Club is still a joke I'm afraid
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Exactly. Maguire shouldn’t even be making our bench.

But you still have to go to the owners as they are the enforcers. To pay off Maguire they need to green light it. To spend above budget they need to sign it off.

But the strategy we use has to be in the club and manager.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Henderson* £20M

& what you have to remember is City have players clubs want to buy. We dont!

Who wants a crock DVB or Martial? No one who has the cash to spend big!

& Maguire doesn’t want to go and McT valuation may be a little high. But then again, the CAF would complain we sold too cheaply but there we go….
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Well that all comes back to bad recruitment and poor financial management when handing out contracts.

I'll never defend the Glazers, obviously they've never put a penny of their own money into the club. But the fact is we end up in these situations through fault of our own, rather than the owners not injecting extra funds into the club. We have sent more than enough over the years to expect a better squad, and thus we'd have players who are more desirable and could be sold for more money.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Well that all comes back to bad recruitment and poor financial management when handing out contracts.

I'll never defend the Glazers, obviously they've never put a penny of their own money into the club. But the fact is we end up in these situations through fault of our own, rather than the owners not injecting extra funds into the club. We have sent more than enough over the years to expect a better squad, and thus we'd have players who are more desirable and could be sold for more money.
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Oh 100% - I totally agree over a billion spent and what do we have to show for it?

I just don’t understand the anger as to why we can’t sell our players when 90% of the time we’re all complaining that the deadwood is shite and not fit for the PL, but then subsequently complain we struggle to sell them. Like it makes no sense!
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Well that all comes back to bad recruitment and poor financial management when handing out contracts.

I'll never defend the Glazers, obviously they've never put a penny of their own money into the club. But the fact is we end up in these situations through fault of our own, rather than the owners not injecting extra funds into the club. We have sent more than enough over the years to expect a better squad, and thus we'd have players who are more desirable and could be sold for more money.
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The Glazers are in charge of the people handing out those contracts. It been a problem for over a decade and they have never addressed it.
 
So we were if interested after all , but was his name down the list of preferred options for us as it is hard to understand how we could not have tied this up weeks ago.

To be scrambling to get this over the line before the deadline just seems like amateur hour again from us.
 
Betson said:
So we were if interested after all , but was his name down the list of preferred options for us as it is hard to understand how we could not have tied this up weeks ago.

To be scrambling to get this over the line before the deadline just seems like amateur hour again from us.
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I disagree, we have injuries and want cover, no more scrambling around than lots of other clubs are doing.
 
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