Why would anyone defend her? They're 2 completely different scenarios.
Social Media Justice: A "Karen" faces consequences for threatening a Black man with cops
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It's amazing that some people think the racist US criminal justice system and the US psycho culture of using people's livelihoods as a bludgeon will save the country from racism. Especially when these things have been used to suppress fight for social equality.
That bit is quite bizarre.
Obviously her actions are terrible and on a different level altogether but he's hardly a saint going around trying to police people and getting in their faces
“No I didn’t say the N word!”
2 seconds later
“Sorry about the N word, sometimes I can’t help myself”
She seems like a well adjusted pleasant person.
That poor girl is working a hard enough job as it is, for next to no money, and by her own admission they’re short staffed. I mean, even without the racial abuse it’s a shitty thing to do. Yet she had to go even further...
That's an incredible opinion. He's no saint for being a good citizen and asking someone to follow the rules of a protected area of the park? What kind of society do you want to live in?
Exactly. If everybody acted like a little pussy then the scofflaws would run the fecking place.
He wasn't really asking.
Alright he's the true saint society needs going around telling people you won't like what I'll do and I'm going to feed your pet some nonsense. Her reaction is pathetic and deserves the book thrown at it. That goes without saying.
Semantics. "Ma'am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on a leash at all times. The sign is right there." It's as much of as ask as it is a tell. Either way, he's reminding her of her civic responsibility. Such an affront (if you're a Karen, I suppose).
Remarkable how some posters are latching onto a vague statement like "If you're going to do what you want, I m going to do what I want and you're not going to like it" as if it's some sort of ominous threat. I can't understand what goes on in some of your heads.
Maybe that is your problem?
I can't understand what is going on in yours.
How else is some stranger in the park saying "I'm going to do what I want and you're not going to like it." meant to be taken? What kind of utopia are you living in where this isn't weird?
She's a racist cow but use common sense, for feck sake.
It's weird. I've said that, but it's not threatening. It's completely unspecific yet everyone in here that's leveraging that statement to somehow reduce Ms. Cooper's offence seems convinced he's going to harm the dog (that she was strangling, btw znd also failed to mention when she called the police, making it irrelevant). As I've said earlier, the likelier outcome is that he's going to lure the dog to him to demonstrate that she has no control over the dog when it's off leash. I have two dogs, I know very well that off leash scofflaws frequently insist that they have expert control of their animal at all times. They don't and Mr. Cooper knows this, which is why he has carries a bag of dog treats to demonstrate that.
Its funny this, and a few people are mentioning his turn of phrase as being overly suggestive and causing her to fear, but if you watch the video, her body language and what she does completely contradicts this theory.
To start with there is a considerable distance between them and she starts moving towards him seemingly ONLY once he starts recording. If we’re to believe she was afraid why was she moving towards him? Whilst basically choking her dog. Even getting close enough to point her finger towards his face and usher him away. There is nothing in this woman’s body language to suggest she’s in fear, it’s all her verbals on the phone. Even getting into a higher pitch towards the end of the video. I’m afraid there is no benefit of doubt to be given to her, she was a cnut doing cnut things.
Exactly while I don't agree with the dog treat malarkey, it doesn't actually change what happens later, she forcefully move toward someone that she "believes" is threatening her life and her dog's, she assertively tells him to not film their interaction and when on the phone totally changes her behavior and acts like the victim of a violent crime. Even if we ignore the african american part, the woman's actions are puzzling, she knows exactly what she is doing and doesn't care about her dog during the entire scene.
"okay, but you're not gonna like it" is something that's said in jest alot in the US, especially while smiling and having a little laugh as you say it.
sure but not to a woman alone in a park after saying 'I'm going to do what I want to do' while calling their dog over with treats.
Real life isn't a sit com.
But do you though? you literally diagnosed the poor guy's mental health from a random video and that is terrifying.
"Ma'am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there."
That sounds quite polite to me.
I'm sorry, I was talking about real life. Apologies for the confusion.
But please, let's continue to blame the victim.
There must have been an evil cackle at the end of his sentence that we missed.
You need new friends mate!
Those are work colleagues. I have a separate group chat with my friends where we laugh about things my colleagues say.
Precisely. His comment on its own I don’t think anyone would concede could be misinterpreted and it’s very possible it could cause someone to feel fear. However, we have the video of her response, so it’s not as if we have to guess how it may have made her feel. She did not act like she was afraid. In fact it was the exact opposite - she phoned the police and quite clearly put on an act of being afraid.
No no no, goddamn it. We gotta over-analyze, misinterpret, massage it with words like nuance, hypothetical situations, and every other option under the sun to cast doubts on the victim.
Yeah, it sounds a lot worse written. But in the right tone of voice it is harmless, something you’d say to a kid often.
Also, the dog treats are a clever way to trick them into putting the animal on a leash, and the fact that he carries them shows this happens often there. It’s people policing people, otherwise the bad behavior would run unchecked.
Doesn’t take much to terrify you!
For what it’s worth, being on the spectrum isn’t any kind of indictment of a person’s mental health. A lot of very successful, content and psychologically robust people are on the autistic spectrum.
I was just spit-balling anyway. I’m obviously not diagnosing anyone based on that little evidence and I’m a bit confused about what any of this has to do with me thinking it was an odd - and potentially threatening - thing for him to say to a stranger he was having a disagreement with? Other than, perhaps, l was looking for reasons to excuse what he said?
It's just unnecessary to take up vigilantism and get in people's faces. You can report the person if you're so uppity about it. It's not an ominous threat but as a pet owner I know that one has to constantly deal with people's nonsense at being unable to understand. The fact that he walks around with treats to take action against people is bizarre.
Of course it's nothing compared to bring a racist and trying to use race to get someone in trouble which is truly appalling behaviour.
ok - since you love social experiments so much, go into the woods and approach a woman with a dog and try it. Or speak with a woman and ask her how she'd feel if a guy did that to her? The women I've asked have said they would be weirded out and scared.
'victim blaming'
yeah because both of them can't be wrong to some degree and one doesn't wash away the other? its not a woman wearing a short skirt getting raped. Its a guy making vague comments to a woman alone in Central Park about her not being happy that he's going to do what he wants, attempting to entice her dog over and then filming her and then her calling the police.
No excuse for racism obviously, but if you heard those facts, free of the racist attempt to threaten him and create urgency for the police to get there, you'd probably think 'fair enough' that she called the police.
To me this is a story of, for want of a less divisive way of expressing it, a guy with male privilege who is oblivious to it and a woman with white privilege and is aware of it and uses it to her advantage.
The man was very naive, while the woman was very malicious in an unacceptable and racist way albeit under the strain of panic (maybe why her guard slipped?).
To the people who don't recognise it. She is actually very panicked throughout the video (short of breath, short bursts of words, shaky vocal chords & aggressive posture and fight response), but when she is struggling to get the cops to come as the dispatcher cannot make out what she is saying, that is when she goes into high pitched frantic call for help that people are assuming is faked because they are ignoring the previous signs.
There isn't any real doubt on the victim. His being a bit of an oddball with his behaviour doesn't change the appalling actions of the woman thereafter.
I wouldn't call her a Karen. She's just a basic racist.
What’s posted below pretty much sums it up...ok - since you love social experiments so much, go into the woods and approach a woman with a dog and try it. Or speak with a woman and ask her how she'd feel if a guy did that to her? The women I've asked have said they would be weirded out and scared.
'victim blaming'
its not a woman wearing a short skirt getting raped. Its a guy making vague comments to a woman alone in Central Park about her not being happy that he's going to do what he wants, attempting to entice her dog over and then filming her and then her calling the police.
No excuse for racism obviously, but if you heard those facts, free of the racist attempt to threaten him and create urgency for the police to get there, you'd probably think 'fair enough' that she called the police.
To me this is a story of, for want of a less divisive way of expressing it, a guy with male privilege who is oblivious to it and a woman with white privilege and is aware of it and uses it to her advantage.
The man was very naive, while the woman was very malicious in an unacceptable and racist way albeit under the strain of panic (maybe why her guard slipped?).
To the people who don't recognise it. She is actually very panicked throughout the video (short of breath, short bursts of words, shaky vocal chords & aggressive posture and fight response), but when she is struggling to get the cops to come as the dispatcher cannot make out what she is saying, that is when she goes into high pitched frantic call for help that people are assuming is faked because they are ignoring the previous signs.
ok - since you love social experiments so much, go into the woods and approach a woman with a dog and try it. Or speak with a woman and ask her how she'd feel if a guy did that to her? The women I've asked have said they would be weirded out and scared.
'victim blaming'
its not a woman wearing a short skirt getting raped. Its a guy making vague comments to a woman alone in Central Park about her not being happy that he's going to do what he wants, attempting to entice her dog over and then filming her and then her calling the police.
No excuse for racism obviously, but if you heard those facts, free of the racist attempt to threaten him and create urgency for the police to get there, you'd probably think 'fair enough' that she called the police.
To me this is a story of, for want of a less divisive way of expressing it, a guy with male privilege who is oblivious to it and a woman with white privilege and is aware of it and uses it to her advantage.
The man was very naive, while the woman was very malicious in an unacceptable and racist way albeit under the strain of panic (maybe why her guard slipped?).
To the people who don't recognise it. She is actually very panicked throughout the video (short of breath, short bursts of words, shaky vocal chords & aggressive posture and fight response), but when she is struggling to get the cops to come as the dispatcher cannot make out what she is saying, that is when she goes into high pitched frantic call for help that people are assuming is faked because they are ignoring the previous signs.
Yea i think this is a fair post.
If some stranger came up to my dog offering treats i would be mad. Dogs are being poisoned in my area with meat left out tainted with stuff.
Although i can understand his point of view with regards the dog off the lead. She certainly should have had him on the lead period. And should not have used the race card, obviously.
If she had not played the race card, he could have been the one getting in trouble. I know for a fact that if i went around taking pictures or videos of women out walking i would get in serious trouble.
Which is absolutely typical in the way incidents like this get analysed online. Choose a villain of the piece (depending on your politics) then shout down any hint of a search for mitigation, or suggestion that your hero might have handled the situation a little differently.
It’s crazy the way so many people want an absolutely black and white, movie script version of life.
And it goes without saying that nothing I’ve said here changes the fact that - based on the short video we’ve all seen - I think the woman behaved atrociously.
If I try really, really hard.
@Drainy looks like my reading is faster than your deleting.
It's absolutely necessary, especially with dog owners, of which I am one (Cyclists, too! @Sassy Colin ). There are plenty of things that warrant an everyday person speaking up and pointing out the detrimental action or behaviour. Bylaw enforcement officers can't act on these kind of complaints in time to be effective. It's miles from vigilantism.
Loads of people walk around with dog treats. Most of them are dog lovers. The etiquette, as I pointed out last night, is to ask before treating a strange dog but in this case, it's clear that Amy has no sense of etiquette so who cares?
Can't understand people carrying treats to give around to random pets. Would be like me carrying out candy for random children I might spot in public. Although this chap doesn't do becuase he's a dog lover. He does it to teach people a lesson which is extremely weird. Nothing wrong with telling people off if they're doing something wrong. But that's where it should stop. IMO at least.
Why though? I just find that baffling. Does one absolutely need to try several dozen thought experiments when the evidence is right in front of you?