He wasn't sent off or even booked, therefore you demonstrably can put your hands to someone's neck.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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Take a look at post #256
If you grab somebody wearing a shirt by the throat then their collar will obviously be under their hands. It’s how clothes work.
I'm don't think you can put your hands around a neck in any capacity and expect to get away with it, but if he was off for Violent Conduct we should appeal.
From the FA's Law 12:
I would argue he certainly didn't use excessive force or brutality, thus probably deserved the sending off for being a dummy, but should only receive either a one or two match ban.
From the FA's Law 12:
I would argue he certainly didn't use excessive force or brutality, thus probably deserved the sending off for being a dummy, but should only receive either a one or two match ban.
They said grab, not put your hand to, to be fair.
I fully agree Ayew should have seen red.
It’s not even 10 seconds in slow mo
De Gea’s not having it
Like ETH said… a few players crosses the line but only one team gets picked out. The spirits there… the players stuck up for Antony because he could have been badly injured. It’s good that the players defend each other but they have to control their emotions and not go above the limits.
What? perhaps if they are wearing a turtle neck. It seems you don’t understand how clothes work after all.
Yes and it was fecking stupid. Another really costly lack of discipline from someone who should know much better.
His collar was already around his neck before it started, because that’s where a collar goes.
You see his hands move down to the shoulders while still holding the shirt.
ok I give up
Absolutely useless to go after the gentleman, even if said gentleman banters you.
Readable like a book. Then smacks one.
But, to be fair, I am on the outer spectre of how refs should handle brawls. To me, brawling is a disgrace almost no matter what, and very much a reason why Tom, Dick and Brady behave this way in Sunday league. And I won't stop blaming the troublemakers just because they wear a nice shirt.
Not fluent in that, unfortunately. Suggestions?I think much is heated because the refs are notoriously bad, but that does not excuse hotheaded Antony trying to step in for the ref.
Normally you have to wait until later in the week to see the exact same thing not given a card nevermind a red one. VAR outdid themselves this time with everyone in the booth all coincidentally blinking when the Ayew incident appeared on screen.
I am no referee, but if the rules say that if you have both hands on someone's neck it's violent conduct then it's a red and that's that.
Exactly this
It’s obviously a red, but there was enough there from other players that it shouldn’t have been the only one dished out. He’s an idiot for raising his hands like that.
The rules don't say that though.
Do people still think that’s a red card and violent conduct?!
Guarantee the FA will extend it as though he’s throttling him to death given we have a cup final on the horizon. They’ve always liked to make an example out of our players.
Thanks mate.
2:10 onwards for those interested.
I don't mind a card or even red card given if that's the rules and standards but the inconsistency throughout the match and not retrospectively looking at other incidents is the kicker. Disgraceful to call that a red imo of all the things to look at.
I agree with Ten Hag, yeah.
Probably.
You’d consider an appeal then. Good to know you got our back bro!
Proper baffling. People have seen one angle and made their mind up despite this clearly showing it isn’t a red.
the way football is now, yes. But there were plenty of other players doing similar, so once again the major issue is zero consistency.
I wouldn’t argue against it being a red but it defintely wasn’t hands on neck choke that I keep seeing people say it was.
there were so many other hands on necks during that melee it could have been about 4 red cards going by the case sending off though
I thought that because the commentator said that. Maybe it's wrong information.
It's probably a red and dumb but the slow mo and stills make it much worse than it really was.
Hughes didn't react as though he was being choked and pretty sure he went for someone else after and Cas tried to grab him to pull him away again.
Hughes didn't react as though he was being choked and pretty sure he went for someone else after and Cas tried to grab him to pull him away again.
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It's asking for trouble sure, but there isn't a specific law on touching an opponent's neck with your hands I'm sure.
Yes it’s a red but Ayew also should’ve been sent.
In real time it seemed so innocuous. Regardless, you can't just raise your hands. Thankfully it will be Leeds and Leicester where we will miss him so it could be worse.
It’s worse than a red
Imo ETH doesn't agree with that decision.
He said something like when you freeze it he crossed the line. So imo what he actually mean was Var did a really shitty job. That's why he said we would appeal.
Has anyone thought perhaps Casemiro done this on purpose? He'll sit out the league games leaving him fresh for the Barcelona games, plus can't pick up any suspensions before the cup final?