If he was the only one who did anything then yeah, a fair booking. But what he did was the least of what went on.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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Agreed. Carroll went in violently, which should have been punished with a straight red.
How that is a red card and Ayew's isn't is absolutely laughable. Either they both are or shove the red card up your arse.
The Doc is actually Dyche!
It was clearly not a red card, not a strangle. Just hands on the collar. The crowd angle clearly shows that.
Good luck getting it overturned. As if the PL officials will accept an error.
Good luck getting it overturned. As if the PL officials will accept an error.
For sure. I'd have booked plenty others too if it were up to me, specially that snake Ayew
He was just giving the opposition a neck message to ease him a bit.
Very unfair red if you ask me. Game is rigged.
Very unfair red if you ask me. Game is rigged.
So what would have happened if Case was on a yellow? Would he still have been redcarded?
What's he done there that warrants a yellow card? and for that matter what's anyone else (including Casemiro) done that warrants a card? The only offence is the original foul which was completely idiotic but nothing more.
This is the sort of thing that in other sports ends with the officials being investigated or suspended for manufacturing/making up things that never happened. They've manipulated a tiny piece of footage to make it look like what they wanted it to rather than officiate the game, and this is happening every fecking week now.
Its been normalised to have bent/dangerously incompetent officials in charge of Premier league games over the last 2 years now, because no matter how bad and obvious it gets no one seems to want to call it out for what it is.
If the game restarts there with no cards or a yellow for the foul and that's it, it's never mentioned again because nothing actually happened that was worth anyone getting upset about.
That's why I said it is bollox.
It's in quotations because a commentator said it.
Of course there was no choking. Casemiro was trying to calm Will Hughes down. The moment he let lose of him that fecker got straight back into the brawl. If he was choking him Hughes would have looked and reacted very differently. Who dumb enough to try to find another guy to fight but not the guy who was choking you?
I keep seeing posters saying you put your hands on another player's neck and it's automatically a red card. There's no rule like that afaik. Casemiro was banned for a violent conduct. The problem here is he was not violent at all. He was actually trying to stop the violence.
He was wrong to put his hands on Will Hughes' neck (or collar or whatever) but considering he didn't choke him at all and his intention was only to calm Hughes down and stop the brawl a yellow is more than enough imo.
You can still receive a straight red, regardless of wether or not you are on a yellow.
Never a red.. didn't strangle him or anything.
Antony acting dead in the ditch ….then suddenly springs into life
Yep, that was cringey. I like Antony and I see improvement, but he’s got to take this while football thing more seriously. A relevant point here because it was his springing to life that started the melee (yes, a poor challenge by Schlupp) which led to what we’re discussing here. That can’t happen again.
Never a red that.
To be fair it was a nasty challengeAntony acting dead in the ditch ….then suddenly springs into life
I mean if a player gets sent off against us for that I'd be embarrassed. Especially if it helped us win the game. It'd feel like we'd cheated or someone had cheated for us.
Never a red card, we should appeal
There are two incidents in this melee that could be defined as violent - the original smash into the hoardings, and Ayew on Fred. I wonder if there's any room in the laws of the game for them to give a 1 or 2 match ban instead of 3, cos it's surely very hard to argue that what Casemiro did was violent conduct when you watch the whole incident rather than a handpicked slow motion clip chosen for max drama. Man VAR is really shit - at least when it was the ref's final say you only had to cope with the bad decisions of one guy, now you have a whole panel of the cnuts.
VAR is not shit imo, it's just that our referees sadly are not up to top standards
It was handbags all round, lots of pushing and shoving usual nonsense. I don't see a red card there personally, it looks alot worse than what it was in slow motion and still Images. Stuff like that needs to played back to ref in real time so they can make a far more measured opinion.
If he actually had a hold of him by his throat than yeah sure Red card but he dosent he's got hold of his collar. It's a yellow at best and on that premise VAR should not of got involved.
If he actually had a hold of him by his throat than yeah sure Red card but he dosent he's got hold of his collar. It's a yellow at best and on that premise VAR should not of got involved.
Spot on
There’s no problem with a player reacting to a challenge like Schlupp’s, particularly when he kept his head. In no world is any of this on Antony.
Whether it was technically red or not it was brain-dead from Casemiro to even give the ref an opportunity with us 2-0 up and cruising. A player of his experience should not be giving us the potential for the ref to intervene from something that isn't even a challenge within the course of the game. Totally stupid and disappointing.
Embarrassingly for a lot of our fans here...Richard fecking Keyes and Andy Gray have both said it was never a red.
It was bad and could easily injured him, but it was the way he suddenly sprang into life ….he’s such a cnut is our Antony
I'd love to see what Will Hughes has to say. No skin off his nose to tell the truth and us having Casemeiro for games against Leeds and Leicester who are direct rivals for positions in the league doesn't help Palace at all. If he says openly that there was no force exerted against his neck, was just holding him by collar, and that gets tacked to an appeal, how do the refs ignore that?
Refs have been so bad against United, particularly since the city game. That foul against Sabitzer putting Rashford through had me raging aswell. And then he adds another minute and a half injury time to 7 minutes of injury time.
Pretty much every game since city, VaR and refs have been making muck decisions against United.
Pretty much every game since city, VaR and refs have been making muck decisions against United.
Because there’s no such thing as common sense anymore.
I thought so too. And if that was the case - and only the irritating hughes knows what he was intending to do if he hadn't been stopped - then Case got a red card because he saved hughes from getting one.
And when did the law change so that headbutting a player was no longer a red card?
Was a ridiculous red
Because it’s irrelevant. You can’t but your hands around somebody’s throat regardless of force exerted. Ludicrous this needs stating. The most obvious red and ban you’ll see all season.
I'd say
yellow to the palace guy for shoving Antony;
red and three games ban for Antony;
red and two games ban for Case;
red and two games ban for Ayew;
yellow for everyone else in the brawl.
Also, change the rules to
red and at least two games ban for everyone in a brawl.
Also, change the rules to
5M fee for clubs involved in a brawl, per brawl, per player involved.
yellow to the palace guy for shoving Antony;
red and three games ban for Antony;
red and two games ban for Case;
red and two games ban for Ayew;
yellow for everyone else in the brawl.
Also, change the rules to
red and at least two games ban for everyone in a brawl.
Also, change the rules to
5M fee for clubs involved in a brawl, per brawl, per player involved.
This is the thing for me to. I can live with the in-game red, but three matches for that? No way.
never a red for me
What did Antony do?!