So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)

Was it a red?

  • Red

    Votes: 409 33.5%

  • Yellow

    Votes: 415 34.0%

  • No card

    Votes: 270 22.1%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 69 5.6%

  • Can you repeat the question?

    Votes: 59 4.8%
  • Total voters
    1,222
It was a red. Don't do that and you don't get sent off. These ones wind me up more than a mistimed tackle because they are avoidable.

Having said that, I don't think there's a better time for him to have landed a 3 game ban. Comes in fresh for all of the biggest games this month
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Joining in a fight instead of baiting the other team for cards is naive. See how Aguero baited Fellaini or Guidetti baited Bailly for a red? That's what I think our players should learn to be better at.
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I agree we could be smarter in that regard generally.

My point was that getting involved today WAS for that reason. I'm pretty certain the ref would not have booked the palace player if we hadn't reacted. That he ended up, along with VAR, making really bad calls is unfortunate. But I'm still glad they got in their to make the point. We've seen Bruno trying his best today to talk to the ref calmly as decision after decision goes against us. Sometimes you have to step it up a notch.
 

This was not getting out of control until Mr. chest bump came rushing in. Antony is a hothead we have to keep an eye on.
 
Surely Shlupp would see two yellows? One for the initial challenge and then for the tussle in was heavily involved with? The use of of VAR is once again baffling with angles being manipulated to create a decision. People can say what they like but it happens so much (not just United games) that there is definitely corruption to make games entertaining.

I don’t understand why putting your hand on someone’s head is a red card anyway. A no nonsense approach is stupid as we have had a player sent off for essentially rubbing his hands on someone’s neck and face. Hughes barely reacted to it so it can’t have been that bad. Yet you have Shlupp getting a yellow for throwing a player into advertising hoardings. It doesn’t make sense.
 
The video from the other angle floating around does suggest there was less malice than originally shown on VAR. Can't remember a red ever being overturned though, for us anyway.
 
harms said:
Sadly, it's hardly a Marriner's error, more like a systemic one. It always looked weird to me that after those episodes where one player makes a seriously threatening action (and pushing someone from that slope at OT with such excessive force certainly quantifies) & another one reacts aggressively (but I'm not talking about punching or other harmful actions), both are getting a yellow.
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Antony didn't do anything at all? He was literally laying on the floor when the melee started. He didn't instigate anything and he didn't commit any foul. If it's a booking for him then it's a booking for every single player involved, and even then he'd be the most unlucky of the lot since he can hardly help getting caught up in a mass shirt grabbing maul when it ingulfs him as he's getting up off the floor.
 
Will they reduce it to just a one match ban and do away with violent conduct? Probably not since its us and they want to set an "example".

Be interesting to see if we appeal it.
 
Zoo said:
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This is the biggest issue with the red, I don't see how you can send off Casemiro when this occurred during the same incident
 
Rake said:
The opposition player had next to no reaction to being "chocked". That is the biggest tell for me that there was no actual chocking involved. Either Casemiro had his hands on his neck with minimal force , or he had him by the collar.

That being said, I can understand why the ref gave a red. Maybe we have grounds to appeal this one but we probably won't.
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Yep. This for me too. Didn’t even complain, Hughes went straight back into the pack. The angles and slow motion replays made it so much worse than it actually was.
 
kouroux said:
Antony got booked because he was part of the tussle/pushing. Granted other players could have been booked but his card wasn't given for no reason
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It was though. Watch the incident again amd explain to me what Antony does other thwn get fouled.

I'm lost how you can defend the refereeing there. Marriner has quite blatantly just invented a yellow card offence that never happened.

I'm assuming Hughes has a neck made of metal as well to survive an apparent "violent" chocking without even realising it had happened.

There was only one incident in all of that which required being refereed at all, amd that was the initial foul, which in itself was hardly brutal.
 
Golden Nugget said:
Yep. This for me too. Didn’t even complain, Hughes went straight back into the pack. The angles and slow motion replays made it so much worse than it actually was.
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Even worse, they hugged afterwards :lol:

And fair play to Will Hughes as well for that. He seems old school enough just to get on with things where plenty of players would feign injury.
 
noodlehair said:
It was though. Watch the incident again amd explain to me what Antony does other thwn get fouled.

I'm lost how you can defend the refereeing there. Marriner has quite blatantly just invented a yellow card offence that never happened.

I'm assuming Hughes has a neck made of metal as well to survive an apparent chocking without even realising it had happened.
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I watched it many times and I can see why he was booked not that it was necessary to do. He got booked for his reaction after he got up off the floor/pitch. The card wasn't necessary but I can see why it was given
 
No excuses, it was stupid by Casemiro with his experience should know you can't grab someone round the throat
 
I think it was harsh. But what was annoying for me was that we were in total control and Antony makes a lot dramatic that it really was leading to the rest of the action. Could have been avoided and hopefully Erik will address this even if it wasn’t a red card
 
championo said:
He did not choke him. This was an optical illusion. It looks like it. He had his attention and was deescalating the situation. The narrative of choking is stupid.
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That's not the point though. It's not Antony's fault he got sent off. His arms shouldn't be there
 
It’s not a red if Ayew grabbing Fred by the throat seconds earlier wasn’t.

It’s not a red if you watch it any way but in slow motion and heavily clipped on either end.
 
Imo that was not a red card and should be appealed. What admittedly looked like choking in slow mo, clearly wasn't when watching the full incident from the start. The other bollocks wasn't even reacting cause he was feeling no pressure whatsoever.
 
GregM40 said:
The video from the other angle floating around does suggest there was less malice than originally shown on VAR. Can't remember a red ever being overturned though, for us anyway.
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Ofcourse it won't be overturned. If/After we lose some points in the next 3 games, the ref association will come out and apologize for the incorrect decision like they did previously.
 
Not a red in the context of the game
If it was. Several players should have been sent off.
You can show all the photos you want but it's Hughes reaction to the incident that suggests to me that its not a red.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
No one choked anyone.

If so Will Hughes is one kinky bastard with a thing for big Brazilians cause he clearly seemed happy as a sandboy 5 seconds later.
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Oh absolutely it was a harsh decision but that's not the point. How anyone can blame Antony for the red of Casemiro is beyond me.
 
noodlehair said:
Antony didn't do anything at all? He was literally laying on the floor when the melee started. He didn't instigate anything and he didn't commit any foul. If it's a booking for him then it's a booking for every single player involved, and even then he'd be the most unlucky of the lot since he can hardly help getting caught up in a mass shirt grabbing maul when it ingulfs him as he's getting up off the floor.
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No, he did:


But that's what I mean by the system's error — if the fouled player gets into the brawl and is visibly aggressive in his demeanor, he usually gets a yellow, which seems unproportionate.
 
Godfather said:
Oh absolutely it was a harsh decision but that's not the point. How anyone can blame Antony for the red of Casemiro is beyond me.
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No it was not Antony's fault.

I think the red card comes down to the ref putting slightly too much value in a slow motion replay on a loop making it look like Casemiro was choking Hughes for 10 seconds. Rookie stuff.
 
I wish i understood any rule. Offside rule, handball rule, yellow card, red card, all a mess.
Carroll ending Eriksens season with a cynical challenge from behind, with no chance of getting the ball, is more or less fine, a yellow perhaps. A hand touching someones neck for a second, call the cops!! Straight red, 3 match ban.
 
There was no choking, but it’s an obvious red card offense. And it has to be that way as you can’t have players under any circumstances applying their hands, however gently, to an opponent’s face. Accidental, no problem. But this was not accident, but neither was it violent. We may see this reduced to a one game ban, though probably not.

But seeing the photo above, Ayew clearly should have been sent off as well.
 
Antony acting dead in the ditch ….then suddenly springs into life :lol:
 
Like pretty much every decision against us lately.. by law - probably yes

Would any other team have had a player sent off for it? No
 
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