So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)

Was it a red?

  • Red

    Votes: 409 33.5%

  • Yellow

    Votes: 415 34.0%

  • No card

    Votes: 270 22.1%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 69 5.6%

  • Can you repeat the question?

    Votes: 59 4.8%
  • Total voters
    1,222
Obviously technically a red but not one in spirit in my opinion. He looked like he even apologised towards the end, was just heavy-handed in the way he went about things. Players pushing and shoving all over the place and get zero punishment (usually shoving a player would count as unsportsmanlike conduct and be worthy of a yellow? Where are the rulebook merchants on those incidents?)

Sick of our players being punished by the letter and opponents getting away with genuinely dangerous play.
 
I wouldn't have sent him off but if he does, one of the Palace players needs to go.

It's just dire officiating
 
Ref was standing there waiting for the fight to start and explode. He should have been right in the middle taking the peacemaker role. He was very happy someone was red carded and more so a United player.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Casemiro saw that prat writhing around on the ground in "agony" and assumed the worst.

Obviously Cas shouldn't have done it, but Antony performing like Neymar in the playacting sense and performing like Obertan in the footballing sense is what has caused this mess.

Bruno needs to cop himself on too, but at least he is playing well enough to let the nonsense slide a bit.
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This is a perfect example of allowing bias to completely overshadow any rationality. You're talking complete nonsense.

Anthony was thrown into the advertising boards, he's allowed to be hurt by that (and even then he didn't do any playacting, he jumped straight back up and went after Schlupp).
 
Ref is focused only on Casemiro while the rest of players wrestling on the touchline and that's okay I guess...

Stupid red, then again Cas is experienced player and should smell Palace provocation from miles off.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Instead of letting Antony showing his pain and potentially baiting a card for Palace, our players just had to join in the brawl. How can they be so naive at this level?
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I disagree completely. We've let teams kick us all over the pitch for years and the refs do nothing. It's about time we showed some fight.
 
I just am not sure why the same “rule” wasn’t applied to about 6 players in scrum…easily could have sent multiple people off for the exact same type of action. I actually thought it looked like Case was reaching out without looking and Hughes was just lower than him so it went to neck area.

I said it though in the post game thread…handing out red cards from slow motion VAR reviews in a massive scrum is mad. The whole scrum is “violent intent”. If you don’t see something egregious live, move the f@@k on. I have a feeling we might win an appeal here…
 
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It's a red in games these days but, weak as hell.
 
If we appeal and it's deemed a frivolous appeal, he gets +1 games banned and we lose him for the league cup final...
 
noodlehair said:
Marriner also needs to explain what Antony got booked for there. For getting assaulted?
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Sadly, it's hardly a Marriner's error, more like a systemic one. It always looked weird to me that after those episodes where one player makes a seriously threatening action (and pushing someone from that slope at OT with such excessive force certainly quantifies) & another one reacts aggressively (but I'm not talking about punching or other harmful actions), both are getting a yellow.
 
Dan_F said:
Reds should be saved for actually dangerous or violent incidents. Head butting, elbowing, punching.

If he was actually choking him with force then I’d get it, but honestly it looked like he wasn’t even gripping at all. Rugby’s approach in those situations is so much more sensible.
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Sandikan said:
Should have smashed him for the same punishment.

You can't put your hands on face/neck etc, but everyone knows it's ludicrous that's a 3 match ban, yet a brutal challenge that injures someone is the same.
Or like with Carroll, either nothing or a mere second yellow.
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Agreed with all. There should be levels to these. A red card so he doesn't see out the game but it should really carry a 3 game ban. It wasn't "violent enough" for that but I'm not sure more subjectivity is the way to go with these refs
 
OverratedOpinion said:
His hands should not have been on Hughes neck but it was a mass squirmish and his hands were there for about 1 second max in real-time whilst he was pushing him away from the incident. He was hardly trying to strangle him.

I feel we are missing the context of WHY he was sent off. If it's violent conduct then surely he was trying to choke him. Well he wasn't so then what.
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That's what I thought.

@GifLord multi angles?
 
Yeah I mean you can't have your hands around someone's neck, even without applying any pressure you're just asking for trouble. From one angle it seems like. He's just holding the neck of his shirt, in which case it would be harsh. But then from another his hands look like they are around this throat and that would obviously be a red. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but stupid to even put yourself in that situation. Of course I understand tempers are flaring but it's not even a big and we were comfortable at that point. You'd hope for. A it more composure.
 
No, but when you needlessly it the referee in position to have to make a judgment call anything can happen. Bottom line is it was easily avoidable.
 
noodlehair said:
I'm lost on how that's a clear and obvious error. If that's a red then the original foul is a red and a lifetime ban. Only one of the two is any threat of harming or endangering an opponent, and really no one would have been bothered or felt any injustice if no cards were handed out at all.

Marriner also needs to explain what Antony got booked for there. For getting assaulted?

Sorry but this is meant to be the top league in the world or so we're told, so why do we put up with officials who are either bent or hopelessly incompetent and literally just up things as they go along? or in the case of Anthony's yellow today and the 7 minutes added time, invent offences that never even happened.
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Antony got booked because he was part of the tussle/pushing. Granted other players could have been booked but his card wasn't given for no reason
 
Flying high said:
I disagree completely. We've let teams kick us all over the pitch for years and the refs do nothing. It's about time we showed some fight.
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Joining in a fight instead of baiting the other team for cards is naive. See how Aguero baited Fellaini or Guidetti baited Bailly for a red? That's what I think our players should learn to be better at.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Yes, clearly. Some were saying it was his shirt and not his neck - nonsense

Really stupid, as soon as that gets VAR checked they're always gonna give a red
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I mean, there’s a replay that clearly shows he grabs his collar
 
Zlatan 7 said:
So this was allowed? :lol:

VAR… how to run the script
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This why you don’t re-referee a shoving melee involving multiple players unless something out of the ordinary happens. They wanted to find something and did, but somehow missed that.
 
It’s a clear red. He should probably get more than 3 games for this as well.
 
The opposition player had next to no reaction to being "chocked". That is the biggest tell for me that there was no actual chocking involved. Either Casemiro had his hands on his neck with minimal force , or he had him by the collar.

That being said, I can understand why the ref gave a red. Maybe we have grounds to appeal this one but we probably won't.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Casemiro saw that prat writhing around on the ground in "agony" and assumed the worst.

Obviously Cas shouldn't have done it, but Antony performing like Neymar in the playacting sense and performing like Obertan in the footballing sense is what has caused this mess.

Bruno needs to cop himself on too, but at least he is playing well enough to let the nonsense slide a bit.
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Hahahahaha, what? Antony was launched into the advertising boards and got up 5 seconds later to kick off!

VERY, VERY weird argument to make. Also, Antony was good today, and has been for the past few weeks, so literally everything you said is pure nonsense.
 
I've watched the replay again in real-time a few times. I would argue that it could be given and also could not. I'd lean towards it being slightly harsh

His intention is clearly to move Hughes away from the squirmish and his hands are around the collar for around 1 second before he holds his palms up and is visibly trying to calm Hughes down.

I honestly believe the ref has put too much weight in very slow motion replays following 1 after the other creating an image that he was choking him.
 
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