There is a difference between hearing information involving our club and having our lineups leaked hours before they're revealed. It automatically puts the opposition at an advantage since they know our team but we don't know theirs.
So, this leak...
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Banned at doing his job and reporting the truth.......via tapping up insiders. Fairplay to him and the media.
I think it is a hulabaloo about nothing. If anything it sends out a message, you try getting info from inside and you will be dealt with, be it line-ups or bust-ups, insider knowledge etc. Cringey but to be expected.
I think it is a hulabaloo about nothing. If anything it sends out a message, you try getting info from inside and you will be dealt with, be it line-ups or bust-ups, insider knowledge etc. Cringey but to be expected.
Wonder if it'll be leaked today. He should be indefinitely banned until it stops.
This is taken from McDonnell's article:
Why then is he surprised that United/Moyes don't like what he's been doing, to the extent of retaliating?
Why then is he surprised that United/Moyes don't like what he's been doing, to the extent of retaliating?
The same could be said about revealing transfer plans which every journalist tries to do. It's never the same for every club. We get tons of extra positive media coverage because of who we are. We are more interesting than everyone else. Sometimes it manifests itself into stuff we don't want to see in the media.
Anyhow, my point it banning the journalists changes and solves nothing. There's someone at the club or - hopefully not - the team who has no respect to United, Moyes, the players. In a way, the worst thing that can happen now is the mole keeping quiet after this because it'll make it hard finding him, but he'll still be there and can reveal something later in the season, like ahead of a really big match.
Reading that Mirror article you'd think he was fcuking Snowden. When you get banned for being stupid there's no need to act like you are being persecuted. I guess getting banned by Man United is badge of honour among sports journalists. Like a police record for (fake) gangster rappers.
Yeah, and I'd rather we hear nothing about transfer plans until they're done either.
Point is, the guy has been banned for being a cnut and revealing stuff he shouldn't be party to for his own personal gain. Why anyone has any sympathy for him and/or are using this as yet another stick to beat Moyes/the club with is beyond me.
Jesus. Do you think he should have given up on his mole and not use the info?
You can disagree with the clubs position or agree with it, but the reporter has done nothing wrong.
He did his job, Moyes and United did theirs. As simple as that. We hold all the cards and journos have to accept that.
You're going way, way, way, way, too far here. So if a player of ours gives an interview and there are some problem quotes there, should the reporter tell the club and refuse to print them because 'we hold all the cards'? It's a silppery slope and people here seem so blinded by being fans of United they are totally unable to see the bigger picture.
Jesus. Do you think he should have given up on his mole and not use the info?
You can disagree with the clubs position or agree with it, but the reporter has done nothing wrong.
He should've had the common sense to predict what the likely outcome would be if he continued to publicise the information. And, of course, he does have that common sense but went ahead anyway; in doing so, he's forfeited any right to complain - he must've known what the result would be. For instance, if I knew something personal about you, and then told all & sundry about it, would I be right to complain if you stopped talking to me as a result? Even if loads of people really wanted to hear the gossip?
Amir said:
This really isn't a case of 'my club, right or wrong' - the bigger picture you mention is in fact the media feeling it can do whatever it likes with no comebacks.
Actually it's you who doesn't see the bigger picture. The main thing is, whether it's right or not, that we do hold all the cards. At the end of the day, Moyes can ban whoever he wants. Journos are dependent of us. They write about us, among the others, not the other way round. If they want to have the stuff to write about, they have to be careful what they choose to write about. You seem to have some kind of a moral, sensitive, human rights' approach to it whereas footballing world doesn't work like that.
That's just silly. Sports media is doing things which are far worse, but have become the norm so no one blinks twice. With the amount of transfer stories, you know some are just totally invented by reporters who want to catch a headline. But that's OK now...
Report the lineup of a team an hour before everyone else, and that's 'feeling you can do what you want'.
Like I said, big picture.
Actually, what I have is the partial view of the other side, working as a sports editor in newspaper (granted, it's in Israel) and not seeing the whole thing from the United point of view.
Maybe I shouldn't be surprised though that most here also see it from one side. If it's good for United, it's good. If it's bad for United, it's wrong.
But nobody's saying "that's ok now", are they? And you'll note that the esteemed Daily Mirror links articles provided by Givemesport, whose latest story is that United are bidding for Messi. Ahem.
Amir, you're taking it as a given that people are defending United just because they are fans of the club. In fact, there are plenty of us who are very pissed off with the modern press in general, not just sports media journalists, and McDonnell's minor trangression only confirms what we already know.
Amir, you're taking it as a given that people are defending United just because they are fans of the club. In fact, there are plenty of us who are very pissed off with the modern press in general, not just sports media journalists, and McDonnell's minor trangression only confirms what we already know.
No, they just move on with it. A part of life, nothing to see here.
I'd back Mourinho, Wenger or whoever else if they did that. It's not just about United. If someone harms your team, you act to stop it. Is it that weird?
Not at all!
But we haven't stopped it, that's the problem. The journalists is barely a factor here. The person at the club leaking stuff is. He could do the same today and even use another journalist tomorrow.
And if another idiot decides to post those line ups on twitter or wherever prior to the time when we're supposed to do it, he should be banned. Up untill we've banned them all.
No leaks for today's match so maybe it worked?
Ideally, We have to find the mole and make him pay for that. If we can't, we have to act short-term for the time being.
There's still time. Now that a mere journalist considers himself to be the story, don't be surprised if he leaks the line-ups yet; after all, the star man has millions of fans of truth and press freedom hanging on his every tweet...
Well only 20 minutes until official line-ups are released, so not much time.
But then either the source will have to find someone new to reveal the info to, which may lead themselves more chance of getting detected, I doubt for example if The Mirror journalist decides they won't do it anymore that they'll just pass it on to someone else as it's effectively giving someone else a story. Additionally maybe other papers won't want to get involved in it to avoid getting banned from press conferences. Alternatively the original journalist/paper won't care but at least we're trying something which is surely preferable, whilst they try to identify the source than just accepting it.
Who says it's ok? I hate transfer bollocks and all the rumours that go with it, and think journalists should be called to account when they make shit up.
You don't seem to grasp the issue with the lineups. They're kept secret until a certain time for a reason, United are within their rights to be annoyed at theirs being leaked. If it wasn't a big deal, why do it?
The amount of misplaced righteous indignation in here is a hoot. BURN THE JOURNALISTS!!
No. Course not. But if he's party to something he shouldn't be, through sneaky means, and chooses to announce it when nobody else should know, then he should accept what comes as a result. If you publicly announce something you shouldn't know then you take the consequences when those who don't want the information made known act on it.Jesus. Do you think he should have given up on his mole and not use the info?
You can disagree with the clubs position or agree with it, but the reporter has done nothing wrong.
How should the club have reacted? Welcomed him with open arms? Said nothing? Give him more information? They did the right thing. Reveal information you shouldn't be party to that you've found out through a hidden source, then stay away from the club in future. Sounds fair. It's not like they've had him assassinated.
Precisely. Line-ups aren't dirty linen that the club understandably want kept under wraps, but that the public have a natural interest in - and thus the media a natural responsibility to report on. It's an entirely different kettle of fish. It's analogous to leaking business secrets that the competition may in theory profit directly from. It has nothing to do with free press whatsoever.
Yes - maybe. I'd rather burn a certain kind of journalist than defend his imaginary "rights", though.
Also the information is going to come out at a set time, it'll come out at the same time for both sides giving neither an advantage or disadvantage. An early reveal of only one side does nothing aside from give the paper more attention and the opposition an edge as they can spend longer adapting their game plan.
McDonnell can tweet the lineups all he likes, but he can't expect the club, who are looking out for their own best interests, to continue to be accommodating to him when he's jeopardising what we are trying to do. He knew there might be ramifications, and still he took that risk. He has to live with it instead of whinging like a fecking baby. Good on Moyes. They were expecting an easy ride when Fergie left and I'm glad he's showing that he's no pushover. Also good to see that there was no leak today.
I don't know what this means, but clearly he has "rights" in terms of reporting this information. He didn't obtain it illegally. He didn't hack anyone's phone. He's a complete knob end who is making an unnecessary meal out of getting banned (and Moyes has every right to do that) but the people directing their ire at the press, or trying to make some kind of point out of journalistic integrity just look like idiots. Who didn't give a shit about this until it involved Man Utd, or that article came out.
The leak is the one in the wrong here. Neither Moyes or the journalist have done anything wrong.
The journalist hasn't done anything wrong in tweeting the teams, but whinging about being banned only shows the sanctimonious sense of entitlement that is common in football journalism. I watched the press conference with the Cardiff assistant earlier, and the press were giving him a hard time thinking it was a disgrace that Mackay wasn't there to answer their questions and that it was stopping them being able to do their jobs, it was ridiculous.
I don't deny he's a complete arse pillow. But he's still allowed to be a complete arse pillow as long as he's not doing it illegally. And he should be allowed to be a complete arse pillow regardless of whether we like it or not.
He can. He can still tweet the teams early if he likes. We just won't be accommodating him whilst he does, and rightly so.
Aye - I don't disagree with that. He can be as much of an arse pillow as he pleases - just not at our pressers. Which is a fair reaction on our part. To me this is solely about the nature of the information he has decided to publish. If you willingly publish information which is a) not damning but b) damaging to the club, you're due a reaction. He hasn't done anything illegal, quite right. It's not illegal to be an arse pillow. But sometimes it has consequences.
Who gives a flying feck about any journalist? it's his job to dig for stories but a football club isn't a democracy, whether it's a true story or not that's not the point, if it's damaging to the club in the slightest then feck him, we don't owe him anything.
Please read the second part of my post. I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just also saying that fair play to the journo, its his job to try and get the story. It is not the assistant manager's job to give it to him.