So, this leak...

Surely basically everything is illegitimately acquired?

The leak is your problem, not the journalist. United should probably thank the guy for highlighting to them that there's someone within your squad who's looking to sabotage you.


So, in the end, you'd be fine with the punishment of the player for leaking the info and lauding the newspaper journalist? How does it help the club in anyway? It's the right way of dealing with the problem. Ban the journalist, you kill the problem at the head. Next time the said player or any other person connected with the club gets a bit too high for himself and tries to out the info, there will be no journalist to publish the info.

This goes on in almost every club. What next? Punishing Arsene Wenger for 'not seeing' the incident and thereby preventing the journalist to report the truth to the masses? Oh how could you so be a blind follower of a club Al?
 
Many posters here were fully behind Ferguson's decision to ban journalists for any criticism. This bloke is hardly an isolated case in recent history.

I'm sure they were - but that is a completely different matter. You're mixing the cards here, mate - that's the problem. Leaking line-ups isn't "criticism". It has nothing to do with exercising your right - or duty, even - to divulge information which is, simply, embarrassing or damning for the club. The latter is perfectly fine by me - it falls under what I'll admit is a journalist's job.

A journalist's job is not to make sure anything and everything he knows gets proliferated through social media. He knows bloody well that the club don't want this information (prematurely) published - and he can't possibly regard it as his professional duty to effectively assist our opponents by announcing our line-ups early on Twatter. There is no bigger picture here, no grand principles to be considered - this is sabotage, nothing more.

What Fergie did was something completely different - and you may question that if you wish, I have no problems with that. But you can't drag his banning practices into this argument - it's ad hominem, as they say.
 
Jesus.

Putting words into my mouth and then topping it off with claiming I'm a hypocrite because I would have a different view if it was my own team.

Arsenal generally don't go in for press obstruction, and I'm glad we don't. What you're trying to do is justify your opinion by claiming that I'd feel differently if it was my own team. I wouldn't. It's no justification for your view. You're just a blind loyalist.

A blind loyalist :lol:

Yeah I'm unable to form my own opinions, unlike yourself, fighting for the freedom of the press.
 
Alastair is trying too hard to get that 'Caf worst non-United poster' award :lol: .
 
Ban the journalist, you kill the problem at the head. Next time the said player or any other person connected with the club gets a bit too high for himself and tries to out the info, there will be no journalist to publish the info.

Missing press conferences is unlikely to be seen as a good enough reason for any reporter to give up exlcusive info like that.
 
Manchester United banning a journalist who reported ill gotten leaked information detrimental to the club is exactly the same as the sort of mass censorship seen in oppressive dictatorships around the globe. The level of blanket censorship shown by United (who, by the way, control all press publication in the UK and are answerable to no one) is the start of a slippery slope. Soon you won't be able to publish leaked information about a team's line up anywhere in the country! Not long after any mention of a Liverpool victory will be hastily edited out of print, before all red tops become exclusive property of MUFC News Corporation. At this point large portions of the nationalised media will have been bought off by United and the BBC will cease reporting on losses involving United, instead reporting that the game was called off.
 
Manchester United banning a journalist who reported ill gotten leaked information detrimental to the club is exactly the same as the sort of mass censorship seen in oppressive dictatorships around the globe. The level of blanket censorship shown by United (who, by the way, control all press publication in the UK and are answerable to no one) is the start of a slippery slope. Soon you won't be able to publish leaked information about a team's line up anywhere in the country! Not long after any mention of a Liverpool victory will be hastily edited out of print, before all red tops become exclusive property of MUFC News Corporation. At this point large portions of the nationalised media will have been bought off by United and the BBC will cease reporting on losses involving United, instead reporting that the game was called off.


:lol:

That was quite funny, but give it twenty years.
 
No need, it's starting now Al, you've seen it yourself. All these sheeple have no idea. They think it was a perfectly reasonable course of action. They won't be so happy when Steve Round turns up and carries their tele off for watching non-compliant news channels.
 
I finally realise what Steve Round has been employed for.

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:lol: either al is just seriously trolling or he's obsessed with United. It's easy to see the principle but we do not live in an idealistic/principled world
 
Surely basically everything is illegitimately acquired?

The leak is your problem, not the journalist. United should probably thank the guy for highlighting to them that there's someone within your squad who's looking to sabotage you.

Banning the journalist was to make a point to all the journalists that they can expect the same thing to happen to them if they disclose our starting lineup before it's supposed to be released and leave us at a disadvantage. Even if the same source was leaking our lineup again to other journalists, you can be sure they'll think twice and might no longer be willing to risk it and report it ahead of time.

Harsh for the journalist who was made the scape goat? Yes, but he knew the risk that he might incur from the club when he reported about it and he's paying for it now. Let's be honest here anyway, is there a real need for us fans to know the starting lineup ahead of the match? There wasn't any real need to report it, but he still went ahead with it, he deserves whatever he's getting from the club.
 
If only we could stop the wumming as easily...
 
How do you know we haven't? The ban made a point, and the leak stopped yesterday. It worked.

Maybe we have and we don't know. Whatever point the ban made, though, means nothing if that person is still within the system and we don't know who he is. He could do the same in weeks time, in a months time, leak something worse, who knows.
 
Maybe we have and we don't know. Whatever point the ban made, though, means nothing if that person is still within the system and we don't know who he is. He could do the same in weeks time, in a months time, leak something worse, who knows.

For all we know, the leak could have been identified as someone as important to the team currently as Rooney, De Gea, Carrick etc., and rather than cripple ourselves by making an example of them, we've had a quiet word and given the journalist the boot as more of a symbolic gesture than anything else.
 
For all we know, the leak could have been identified as someone as important to the team currently as Rooney, De Gea, Carrick etc., and rather than cripple ourselves by making an example of them, we've had a quiet word and given the journalist the boot as more of a symbolic gesture than anything else.

That would be one messy situation. Anyway, it's clear that despite the reporter thing, the real worry is that we have someone at United who leaked the lineups. Whether it's someone from the previous regime who feels he can do whatever he wants with Fergie gone, a player, someone from Moyes's staff who likes his newly found 'fame'... That's the issue.
 
That would be one messy situation. Anyway, it's clear that despite the reporter thing, the real worry is that we have someone at United who leaked the lineups. Whether it's someone from the previous regime who feels he can do whatever he wants with Fergie gone, a player, someone from Moyes's staff who likes his newly found 'fame'... That's the issue.

I agree it is a concern for sure, however the belief that banning the reporter was the wrong move on the basis that we should target the source of the leak itself may be somewhat misguided given the damage it could cause if it's the wrong person. It may well be, for all we know (which isn't much), that stopping the leak by banning the reporter results in the least damaging outcome for the club.
 
The press coverage for us has been shocking. Football365 has been sticking the boot in, whenever possible and singing the praises of Liverpool. They seem to be mocking us openly.
 
The press coverage for us has been shocking. Football365 has been sticking the boot in, whenever possible and singing the praises of Liverpool. They seem to be mocking us openly.

What exactly is wrong with that? We're Champions and and seemingly stranded in mid-table while Liverpool are top of the league.
 
The press coverage for us has been shocking. Football365 has been sticking the boot in, whenever possible and singing the praises of Liverpool. They seem to be mocking us openly.

They've been waiting years to do it. Some tried over the last couple of decades but always ended up looking very stupid when the articles are brought up retrospectively.
 
For me though, the most worrying thing is who the leak is and what their intention behind it is.


You'd hope it's a low profile club member who is getting bunged a couple hundred quid each time for it but worse case scenario is that it is a player or coach with another agenda that has been using the team information in exchange for them putting out some sort of story. That could cause real issues if we have someone that is willing to work against the club for their own benefit.
 
They've been waiting years to do it. Some tried over the last couple of decades but always ended up looking very stupid when the articles are brought up retrospectively.


Hopefully, they'll end up stupid this season as well. Football365 takes the piss out of all clubs equally, but this season has been a non stop Liverpool eulogy. They've already decided that we've gone to shit and it's the beginning of the slow but inevitable decline. This will be so much sweeter if we won anything big this season.
 
There was a definite change in F365's treatment of Liverpool a while back. Not joking at all; I reckon it's because LFC fans are more prone than most to bombard critical websites & publications with emails, letters etc.
 
F365 is a site run by pillocks. Sarah Winterburn is honestly quite awful and comes across as a dick in most of her articles.
 
There was a definite change in F365's treatment of Liverpool a while back. Not joking at all; I reckon it's because LFC fans are more prone than most to bombard critical websites & publications with emails, letters etc.

They publish some ridiculous mails from Liverpool fans, but most of their opinion pieces favor Liverpool massively


F365 is a site run by pillocks. Sarah Winterburn is honestly quite awful and comes across as a dick in most of her articles.


I :lol:'ed
 
F365 is terrible.

It's still trying to be a textual form of Soccer AM circa late 1990's early 2000's. It's all a bit old hat now in the days most fans are more into statistics and in depth analysis.
 
F365 is a site run by pillocks. Sarah Winterburn is honestly quite awful and comes across as a dick in most of her articles.

:lol:

Another piece of beauty from her:

Manchester United scored three goals at a ground where the home side had conceded only three goals in their previous eight games. They have now won three successive Premier League games. They have come from behind to claim victory three times in this campaign alone. That all sounds pretty impressive, right?
And yet there was something so achingly mid-table about this victory over Hull. From the genuinely amateurish defending (an over-used phrase which is incredibly apt in this instance) that led to a 2-0 deficit through to the panicky final three minutes when a toothier side would surely have punished their ineptitude under high balls, via a stuttering attacking performance over-reliant on Wayne Rooney; this felt achingly mid-table. Rooney's description of a single-goal victory over a newly promoted side as a "massive result" said it all.
Victory over Hull was never a gimme - a reasonable target of ten points from four games against Aston Villa, West Ham, Hull and Norwich came with a suspicion that a dull draw would be acceptable at the KC Stadium. In a way, a dull draw might have been more impressive. Instead, United's weaknesses both in central defence and central midfield were highlighted, while they needed an own goal to claim a victory that seemed a long way away at 2-2 when Steve Bruce had belatedly come up with a plan to stymie Antonio Valencia.
Ashley Young spoke after the game about the 'momentum' gained from a third successive win and he's absolutely right. Never mind that the three vanquished sides are amongst the worst eight or nine in the division, belief will be growing amongst United players that they can stay within striking distance of the top four. Perhaps it's churlish to point out that United have only beaten two teams in the top half of the table because points are worth just as much against the mediocrity below. They had to toil to beat Hull but beat them they did and those three points take them closer to the adjusted but attainable aim of a Champions League place.
So why does it matter that victory came scrappily? Why does it matter that once again United's central midfield pair failed to create a single chance? Why does it matter that the defence looked ridiculously vulnerable? It matters because the morning papers came with talk of big-money January moves for Atletico Madrid's Koke and Borussia Dortmund's Marco Reus and those players (and others of the ilk required by United) will have been watching and wondering why they should leave their exciting and dynamic clubs for this pretty average United side. Aside from Rooney's blockbuster volley, moments of true quality were seriously lacking. This kind of victory might be good for team morale but it doesn't scream 'come and join us'.
United discovered this summer that the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson has made it much, much harder for them to attract players; and that was when they were champions. In January they will try again to attract players with the added disability of being off the pace of the title race. What they didn't need was a deeply flawed performance with most of European football on their winter break and watching the Premier League.
Sarah Winterburn

Am not pasting the link because I don't want to give her the pleasure of more clicks on her article which is genuinely one of the worst I've ever read. A draw would have been better than victory? fecking hell!
 
Meh she's just a female version of Adrian Durham.
 
In Durham's case you know he is just fishing for reactions from different supporters. In her case I'm not sure whether she deliberately came up with this or whether she genuinely believed what she had just written.
 
A dull draw would have been more impressive eh ? What do I have to do to land a job as a journo cause it doesn't seem to be the most difficult thing to do these days.
 
Yes Winty, a boxing day premier league match is effectively a shop window for Manchester United to attract Koke and Reus. fecking hell, in the comments section, someone wrote to say that Suarez and Ozil joined Liverpool and Arsenal, for which the editor (which I think is her majesty Winty herself) replied that Ozil joined because of Wenger (one of the best managers in the world) and Suarez wasnt that much of a talent when he joined Liverpool.

That site is going to the dogs.
 
In the Winners and Losers section, Liverpool are featured in the winners section despite losing the match, Arsenal showed 'spirit' in coming from behind against West Ham, but Man Utd were scraping the barrel after the win against Hull.
 
Well, I guess someone had to relieve Stanger over Christmas.