you underrate him too much.
Sneijder to Galatasaray?
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Welbeck? Seriously? Hernandez, perhaps, but he is much more effective coming on as sub, instead of lone striker leading-the-line role. Valencia? in place of Mata, Hazard, Silva, Ribery, Robben, Gotze, Reus, Di Maria or Ozil etc? I am not too sure, at least not on current form. I am not saying they are not good players, but there are just better players around if we remove our red tint glass. And I wouldn't loss any sleep about what will happen to them if we are going to buy Sneijder.
Money still talks for Wesley i see.
as it does for most people - not just fooballers
I can see why - chance to live in Paris, huge wages and a team full of stars.
They're dark horses for the CL in my eyes. And they're likely to get better over the next few years. Could see Pep or Jose pitching up there.
You can really see Pep going to PSG as long as Ibra is there? This might be a long shot but I think Arsenal are going to sack Wenger at the end of the season and he might be in contention for the job back home.
They are talking of sacking Ancelloti at the moment as they are trailing Lyon in Ligue Un by two points having played a game more. This comes after they have spent more money on players this summer than the rest of the teams put together.
No chance this will happen. Would be a pointless signing.
No thank you.
Would not solve any problem we have. Rooney plays in the only position Sneijder could possibly do well in, and he's a far superior player.
Would not solve any problem we have. Rooney plays in the only position Sneijder could possibly do well in, and he's a far superior player.
I don't know guys. A lot of you might've forgotten what this lad is capable of. His ability is of no doubt and bringing a player of Sneijder's caliber back to form won't be really hard for Sir Alex. If we do get him on the cheap, we really stand a damn good chance with a front four of Sneijder, Rooney, Kagawa and Van Persie.
---------------Carrick-----Cleverly----------------
---Kagawa-----------Sneijder----------Rooney----
------------------Van Persie----------------------
That's a formation with basically three AM's being able to interchange and play each other's position at ease. If this is Fergie's last year at the helm, the Dutch No.10 could be the final piece of the puzzle for us to win the lot.
It probably means they missed one training or something like that probably due to a good acceptable reason. It's obviously end of the year. Nothing saying they wont come to training at all after that.
Good player though. Buy him if they are selling for below £15m, preferably £10m. That's value in the market.
Good player though. Buy him if they are selling for below £15m, preferably £10m. That's value in the market.
I'm glad I don't have to make this decision!
On the one hand, Sneijder has been meh for almost two years. We're actually decently stocked in midfield, unless caftards think Cleverley is shit and Kagawa is useless. Sniejder's wages won't be cheap, regardless of whatever deal there is to be had on a transfer fee.
On the other hand, he's proven himself to be a world class midfielder who's seen it all. Caftards have been screaming for a midfielder for several seasons. If you want a proven CL warrior, there are only two names in world football that look down and sneer at Sneijder in contempt -- Iniesta and Xavi.
If Fergie does pull this trigger, you just can't accuse him of being a pussy.
On the one hand, Sneijder has been meh for almost two years. We're actually decently stocked in midfield, unless caftards think Cleverley is shit and Kagawa is useless. Sniejder's wages won't be cheap, regardless of whatever deal there is to be had on a transfer fee.
On the other hand, he's proven himself to be a world class midfielder who's seen it all. Caftards have been screaming for a midfielder for several seasons. If you want a proven CL warrior, there are only two names in world football that look down and sneer at Sneijder in contempt -- Iniesta and Xavi.
If Fergie does pull this trigger, you just can't accuse him of being a pussy.
With Giggs, Scholes and probably Nani leaving I don't think wages will be a problem. We'll just have to wait and see. Being at this position we are in and with our luck with injuries, buying a player will only prove to be advantageous if we are challenging for multiple trophies. Some of the caftards severely underrate this genius of a player here. A period of 6 months can really do wonders about a person's opinion of a player.
Oh yeah, that's how long it's been
Think two years. And it doesn't look like form to me, it looks like being over the hill.
feck no. Not for anything less than a severely cut price and wage.
I'd love him here, he can only add to our squad. Him and PSG look like a match made in heaven though.
We don't need him at all, Rooney is looking great in the hole behind Van Persie, where would Sneijder play? If he could play next to Carrick and offer an alternative to Clev/Anderson then I guess it'd be okay, but that's not where he usually plays. With Kagawa coming back we are well stocked in attacking midfield, no need to spend such huge wages bringing an unnecesary player in.
Carrick
Cleverley Kagawa
Sneijder
Persie Rooney
Cleverley Kagawa
Sneijder
Persie Rooney
or
Carrick
Kagawa Snejider
Nani Persie Rooney
Kagawa Snejider
Nani Persie Rooney
No, we don't need him that ship has sailed. Yes he'd improve our squad but he'll only be worth his wages if he actually fills in our midfield void...and judging from the position he usually plays I don't think he will.
Persist with Carrick-Cleverley for now, with Kagawa, Valencia and Young on the Wings behind RvP and Rooney. Then in the summer look to invest in any decent, hardworking midfielders.
Persist with Carrick-Cleverley for now, with Kagawa, Valencia and Young on the Wings behind RvP and Rooney. Then in the summer look to invest in any decent, hardworking midfielders.
In both, an expensive and unnecessary signing crammed into an awkward formation without really adding much to the team except defensive frailty.
The diamond is fine but it's just unnecessary. Rooney is best in Sneijder's position and then you have Kagawa sitting on the bench anyway... I wouldn't consider him worse than Sneijder. That's not to mention Welbeck and particularly Hernandez who has looked a threat this year.
The second one is silly IMO. Sticking Rooney on the wing is never a good idea and he offers more centrally, he's our best player, play him in his best position. Kagawa, Sneijder and Rooney when he drifts in from the left would all be looking to get into the same positions 'in the hole' behind RVP. It would just be overload and very narrow I think. Also defensively that's obviously not the strongest line up.
I think the only way it would work is if Sneijder could play next to Carrick in a two, if not and he can't adapt his game there's no point in the transfer for me. Rooney could still stick to his central, roaming role behind RVP which has started to look great and Kagawa could drift in from the left - he is more suited to a wing role than Rooney. Not a lot of width though so I'd stick with Valencia to balance the side out.
Key point is whether he could play a deeper CM role, rather than just offering the same options as Kagawa and Rooney behind RVP. If he could reign in it and become more of a deeplying playmaker and keep it tighter in midfield then the transfer could be an option, because he is offering something different (and is an actual midfielder, which we have been crying out for). But if he is just an AM like your formations suggest then there is no point.
------Sneijder--Carrick---
Valencia---Rooney---Kagawa
--------Van Persie--------
The front 3 of my 433 would interchange, and Rooney could drift inward as much as he wanted, especially with the way Evra overlaps.
Or you could do this:
Or you could do this:
Carrick
Sneijder Rooney
Nani Persie Kagawa
Sneijder Rooney
Nani Persie Kagawa
I meant to have Kagawa in where Anderson is. It could well not work, but Kagawa has looked good in a 3 man midfield before with Carrick and Cleverley.
I don't see how you can argue much with a front 3 of Persie, Rooney and Sneijder.
Likewise, Sneijder can also play very effectively in a 3 man midfield.
We'd get torn apart.
Can we sign Coutinho ?
This formation is essentially the same as the one I posted. Sneijder, Carrick and Rooney would be the three players fighting in central midfield for us. Is this somehow less weak than my 433 with the same 3 in central midfield?
Valencia for Nani aside.
Yes and if you read my comments you'll see why.
As is made clear, it rests on Sneijder being able to play a restricted central midfield role, which I have doubted he could actually do.
If he can, then he could play CM next to Carrick as a replacement for Cleverley, but if not and he remains an AM, which your formations suggest, then there is no need for him. I have said that I don't want him due to him typically playing more advanced in the exact same positions Rooney and Kagawa get into. If he can change that and become a different player then I wouldn't mind him here. You have made no comparable suggestions and the way you positioned him in your two formations indicates that you see him as a AM.
There's a clear difference between the two.
Not to forget, Sneijder would add much needed experience that Fergie always prefers if and when Giggs and Scholes retire. Could be one of the reasons why we are still in for him, if true. Giggs and Scholes going means we would be losing truckloads on experience and there has to be some senior member in the squad who is going to play most of the matches.
Oh sweet lord, really? Are Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick, Fletcher, Vidic, Evra and indeed Van Persie not enough? Do we always have to have someone well over the hill in order to have 'experience'?
All the formations you've posted have the same fundamental problems: 1. They're horribly unbalanced because you've had to sacrifice proper midfielders. Half of them are basically Carrick and a bunch of number 10s. That just wouldn't work. 2. They simply demonstrate that we don't need him. Both Rooney and Kagawa already do his job, and over the last two years both have been better than him at it. We're talking about £40million here! That could buy us a truly top-class CM, something which we desperately need.
Ferdinand - Old. Won't play that much with Smalling and Evans staking claim to his position.
Fletcher - Doesn't really plays enough nowadays.
Vidic - Coming back from injury. Yet to see how he bodes in.
Evra - His days at United are being numbered.
And with Giggs' and Scholes' departure, how do you think we are going to replace "that" worth of experience from? And how exactly is Sneijder "well over the hill"?
Rather not, 40M for a 30+ player... seems too steep
I'd not doubt he'd improve our midfield, but Kagawa can play in his position and isn't exactly a class below.
40M , heck we might as well try getting mueller or goetze , even ozil cost half of it. (too bad Mueller and Gotze are German, they probably don't fancy going abroad)
I'd not doubt he'd improve our midfield, but Kagawa can play in his position and isn't exactly a class below.
40M , heck we might as well try getting mueller or goetze , even ozil cost half of it. (too bad Mueller and Gotze are German, they probably don't fancy going abroad)
Love this kid.
Sneijder for a fair price is on. More than 15 mi in the current situation won't happen.
Giggs n Scholes are experience
But I think Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, Evra, Vidic, Rio, Rafael, even De Gea can all be categorised as experienced
Rooney have been with us for years, RvP captains Arsenal and plays at World Cup Final, Evra Captains France (albeit disasterous), Rio, Rafael have been clocking games at high level with us, De Gea have seen whole season with his previous clubs.
I don't think we will be lacking guts and experience when it's needed
Kagawa was Germany's best player of the year (IIRC) and won a double
So I think the current crop have been there done that, and they know how to cope with pressure
If we sign Sneijder we should change the tactics. Either to play a diamond formation, or we should play 4-3-3 with 2 inside forwards (not wingers). Sneijder could play either as an attacking midfielder in a midfield trio, or as an inside forward from the right side (like he has played for several times for Dutch team). I like him as a player very much, and I really think that as an AMF he is better than Kagawa and Rooney and he could probably help us a lot in Champions League. But still I have mixed feelings about this transfer, we are heavily stocked in those positions, his transfer price and wages could be a problem and I think that we need more a central midfielder.
Like feck he is.
He is. He wasn't in last 18 months when he played in a poor Inter and had a lot of injuries, but Sneijder is class. During the 2009-2010 season he was the best player in the world and he has been robbed a Golden Ball. Rooney is good but he is still a more striker than an attacking midfielder, while Kagawa (I really like him) was one of the best players in Germany in a season, but that is all he has proves. Also Sneijder is probably the best player to pass the final ball, a think that can be very important in Champions.
I don't contest that he was better in that role than either of them have ever been, but he isn't currently. Two years of being fairly shit isn't form, it's a decline in quality. Especially at his age. Right now, both are much better than him.
I think you based his form souly because Inter has been crap. Sneijder will be like Scholes, he will never lose his ability to pick a pass, play a killer ball or shoot. He's not in decline at all, if you watched him in the Euro's he was Holland's best player while carrying an injury.
He'd be a great buy, and could make the same impact as a RVP as he's world class, but regardless of that, the biggest question is whether we need Sneijder or not.
Taking wages, injuries into consideration it'd be a risk, but saying that he's worse than Rooney in a No.10 Role would mean you really underrate him.
Just saying, a Sneijder average game would bring more into a team than Rooney's average game, but on top form Rooney would be able to do more but not by much.
Different types of players to compare anyway, we're talking *** a forward who likes to drop back comparing to a MF's who's best attribute is his attacking qualities.
I still think our chances to get Sneijder are rather low as Anderson looked a bit better, while Cleverly is still playing well.
If we are going to sign another dutch player it'll probably be Strootman to cover Fletcher and Carrick.
He'd be a great buy, and could make the same impact as a RVP as he's world class, but regardless of that, the biggest question is whether we need Sneijder or not.
Taking wages, injuries into consideration it'd be a risk, but saying that he's worse than Rooney in a No.10 Role would mean you really underrate him.
Just saying, a Sneijder average game would bring more into a team than Rooney's average game, but on top form Rooney would be able to do more but not by much.
Different types of players to compare anyway, we're talking *** a forward who likes to drop back comparing to a MF's who's best attribute is his attacking qualities.
I still think our chances to get Sneijder are rather low as Anderson looked a bit better, while Cleverly is still playing well.
If we are going to sign another dutch player it'll probably be Strootman to cover Fletcher and Carrick.
Read today that he could be available for 8mi. feck me, if that's not value. He's been crap because he's being shut at Inter with a very disturbing environment. He was one of the few bright spots in that Netherlands team at the Euros.
We've got too many players in that mould already. To be a success he'd have to murder Kagawa in his bed.
If he could play as part of a 2 man midfield though?
If he could play as part of a 2 man midfield though?