I'd prefer to give better players more games, personally.
Smashley Young
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I think he has a case of the 'Berbatovs'
No similarities as players, I'm talking mentally here
He looked like he was one of Villa's better players who should have been at a better team but once he got here it was clear he wasn't up to 'United' quality mentally. He needs to be one of the go-to players in a mid table side IMO
No similarities as players, I'm talking mentally here
He looked like he was one of Villa's better players who should have been at a better team but once he got here it was clear he wasn't up to 'United' quality mentally. He needs to be one of the go-to players in a mid table side IMO
He's a confidence player much like Nani is. If we sell the latter, I have my doubts as to whether Young will be an adequate long term solution on the left.
Assume that you are referring to Nani. If Nani was playing anywhere near well enough, he would be in the team.
Young at his best is a lot better than we've seen in recent weeks, as of course is Nani before anyone mentions the obvious.
Young at his best: Good passing, great movement, contributes with set pieces and some goal threat. Provides defensive cover and works hard, rarely loses ball.
Young at his worst: Passes the ball to Carrick or Scholes every time he gets it. Provides defensive cover and works hard, rarely loses ball.
The difference between Young at his best and at his worst: Confidence.
I guess Fergie sees Young as fairly useful even on an off day.
Young at his worst: Passes the ball to Carrick or Scholes every time he gets it. Provides defensive cover and works hard, rarely loses ball.
The difference between Young at his best and at his worst: Confidence.
I guess Fergie sees Young as fairly useful even on an off day.
Did some Sky journalist said that he was as good as Messi and Ronaldo (during his time at Villa).
Anyway, it's ridiculous to see how he is playing more games than Nani and hardly a debate which is the better player.
Anyway, it's ridiculous to see how he is playing more games than Nani and hardly a debate which is the better player.
No, not just Nani. Hernandez, Welbeck, Kagawa when he returns. I think they should all be there ahead of him. Obviously they're not wingers but Young is offering feck all as an actual winger lately anyway.
Have a fecking word with yourselves. This thread is a disgrace.
I don't doubt that at his best he's a useful player. But the's been bereft of confidence for way too much of his short United career so far.
He's dreadful. The most limited play in the current squad, and that say's something.
Go on lad, stop the ball, quick feet over the top of the stationary ball, feint to go down the line... NO wow you've cut inside and crossed it into the first defender. And repeat with the occasional curled shot.
But its ok, dont be harsh on him. He works hard.
Go on lad, stop the ball, quick feet over the top of the stationary ball, feint to go down the line... NO wow you've cut inside and crossed it into the first defender. And repeat with the occasional curled shot.
But its ok, dont be harsh on him. He works hard.
We've got one of the most talented squads around?
It's the take a few steps forward, cut inside, play a short pass backwards that I find hilarious. He does this routine again and again and agan and agai..
It's not really a problem that he's very average, and playing shit at the moment. The problem is that Fergie insists on playing him anyway, when we've got talented in-form midfielders on the bench.
When i say squad I include the likes of Macheda. I genuinely think Macheda would offer more out wide. Welbeck certainly does, even if it does completely restrict him.
Oh my god Starkie 
Fergie loves 4-4-2 so even when players are out of form he will play them or squeeze welbeck onto the wing. Yet we have two young midfielders playing quite well but Fergie will not alter his shape.
Then we all wonder why we are starting so slowly and playing poorly.
fecking hell. Do you watchfootball with your head in a pot of honey?
I think his time at Aston Villa actually hurt his development.
At Villa they played shit on a stick football, so all he had to do was aimlessly lump the ball into the box and one of their many 6 ft 5 players would get their head onto it.
When he first came here he tried to replicate this, unfortunately his crosses were going nowhere as we don't tend to pay shit on a stick football. Knowing that the likes of Carew, Heskey and Richard Dunne won't be getting on the end of any of his aimless crosses he has now decided to pass the ball backwards to avoid putting in one of his aimless crosses. Wanna blame anyone, blame Martin O'Neill.
At Villa they played shit on a stick football, so all he had to do was aimlessly lump the ball into the box and one of their many 6 ft 5 players would get their head onto it.
When he first came here he tried to replicate this, unfortunately his crosses were going nowhere as we don't tend to pay shit on a stick football. Knowing that the likes of Carew, Heskey and Richard Dunne won't be getting on the end of any of his aimless crosses he has now decided to pass the ball backwards to avoid putting in one of his aimless crosses. Wanna blame anyone, blame Martin O'Neill.
Na i watch football like a football coach... whilst hating Ashley Young.
To be fair not many are wondering. We all know it's Fergie and his team selection.
You wanna tell us that Manchester United did put a winger off of sending in cross after cross from a wide position, no matter what?
Not buying that. Or if so, Valencia certainly didn't get the memo.
Well, one bad game and all the Young hate again.
Look what he did last year for us. He is capable of being very productive. He has done it is whole career.
Give him a few games.
Look what he did last year for us. He is capable of being very productive. He has done it is whole career.
Give him a few games.
It's unlikely we will stop using 4-4-2 while Fergie is still manager and with Nani probably on the outs we will be seeing a lot of Young. He has always been a very patchy player so thankfully he's sucking while we are winning and is hopefully due one of his good patches.
I actually like Young. He has real quality in his delivery, is pacy and delivers a good right-footed corner (to go along with RVP's excellent left footed delivery).
My only issue with him is that his cut-inside deal - why isn't he putting the hours in on the training pitch to develop an alternative? He'd instantly become significantly more dangerous if he showed he had the ability to stay on his left and 'hug the line'.
My only issue with him is that his cut-inside deal - why isn't he putting the hours in on the training pitch to develop an alternative? He'd instantly become significantly more dangerous if he showed he had the ability to stay on his left and 'hug the line'.
Young isnt crossing the ball right now and Rooney is taking our right footed inswingers.
Young is passing the ball to Evra
Valencia doesn't do that, he looks up and he can pick people out. Look at van Persie's goal against Chelsea, the technique for that cross. I've never ever seen Ashley Young do that, not successfully anyway. He just cuts in, cuts back, then aimlessly smashes it, hoping to see Heskey, Carew, Dunne or Agbonlahor on the end of it.
Way to earlier to get on his back. He's played what, three games, since returning from injury? He needs at least 3 more starts until he's anything like up to speed.
As for him getting a game ahead of others. Well he's bound to start on the left in this type of set up ahead of Hernandez who is evidently not in competition with and Kagawa's injured so that leaves Danny and Nani who have done nothing to suggest they deserve a start ahead of him recently. Nani started the majority of our early season games, was in poor form and has fallen out of favour due to his contract dispute with Fergie(as well as his early season form). No offence to Nani, but he had his chance and did not take it, so he's going have to earn his place back. As much as I want Welbeck to get games, he currently does not deserve to start over Young on the left and personally I think it could do more harm than good.
I'd stick with him for the next few games in the league and see what it yields before Kagawa comes back and we have someone who could genuinally make an argument for getting a game over him currently. If he's still out of form after getting a run in the side then Nani would be worth a go.
BTW - Nani is still going to get starts in the CL so he has an opportunity to win back his place in any event. He had a start against Braga which he did not capatalise on so it's not like Fergie is not giving him and others chances to get back in the side. It's only Hernandez and to a lesser extent Anderson from the overlooked players who have taken their chances recently. It's really that simple. If you do the business when you get the chance and someone else is underperforming, eventually you are going win their spot. The same applies to Welbeck and the rest of the supporting cast.
As for him getting a game ahead of others. Well he's bound to start on the left in this type of set up ahead of Hernandez who is evidently not in competition with and Kagawa's injured so that leaves Danny and Nani who have done nothing to suggest they deserve a start ahead of him recently. Nani started the majority of our early season games, was in poor form and has fallen out of favour due to his contract dispute with Fergie(as well as his early season form). No offence to Nani, but he had his chance and did not take it, so he's going have to earn his place back. As much as I want Welbeck to get games, he currently does not deserve to start over Young on the left and personally I think it could do more harm than good.
I'd stick with him for the next few games in the league and see what it yields before Kagawa comes back and we have someone who could genuinally make an argument for getting a game over him currently. If he's still out of form after getting a run in the side then Nani would be worth a go.
BTW - Nani is still going to get starts in the CL so he has an opportunity to win back his place in any event. He had a start against Braga which he did not capatalise on so it's not like Fergie is not giving him and others chances to get back in the side. It's only Hernandez and to a lesser extent Anderson from the overlooked players who have taken their chances recently. It's really that simple. If you do the business when you get the chance and someone else is underperforming, eventually you are going win their spot. The same applies to Welbeck and the rest of the supporting cast.
Spot on.
Absolutely shocked by this. He's one of the best wingers in the league ffs. Most limited player in our squad?
Pathetic.He was awful for the entire Euros before his injury.
How is that relevant to (a) United or (b) giving him a chance to get back fit from an injury he's had since that tournament?
Rooney was awful for England as well during the Euroes. Means nothing for United.
The CAF is incredibly reactionary this season. All you need to do is have a look at the first page of the United forum and see threads such as the "why don't we come back and win anymore" and "why do we never score from corners" etc. Its like the matchday forum has taken over the football forum.
How do you think? You are offering the injury as an excuse for his poor form, when he was playing shit before it.
He played poorly for large periods last season at United.
I'm not offering the injury as an excuse for 'poor form'. It's a fact his fitness is going to improve when he actually gets some games. I actually don't think you can really talk about form when someone has only played 2 and half games into a season after an injury, it's way to short to evaluate anyone's game or form. I'd be the same with Smalling now and Jones , Kagawa and Vidic when they return. For me, anyone criticising a player's form after coming back from injury after a few games is not giving them a fair chance.
I thought he did alright in his first season for the club and at the moment is the best bet for the wide left spot with Kagawa out injured and Nani and Danny, players who have not had any injury problems this season(until Nani's absence at the weekend), putting in indifferent performances too often.
As for England? Again completely irrelevant to United.
People's expectations of Ashley Young from the day we bought him were way too high and not realistic and is probably one of the reasons why he gets so much stick when he hasn't actually been as bad as people make it seem. It's like people thought he was all of a sudden going to become world class because he signed for United. He's not world class and he wasn't at Aston Villa either, he just stood out from the rest like Charlie Adam did at Blackpool or Scott Parker did at West Ham.
His signing was mainly to have quality in depth and from that standpoint, we've done well. Ashley Young is a much better back up winger than Poborsky, Richardson, Obertan or Bebe were for us, and let's not forget that on his day he can be really good.
His signing was mainly to have quality in depth and from that standpoint, we've done well. Ashley Young is a much better back up winger than Poborsky, Richardson, Obertan or Bebe were for us, and let's not forget that on his day he can be really good.
Of course you are using it as an excuse or reason, what are you bringing his injury up for if not for that purpose? You're exact words were that it's too early to get on his back about his performances because he's only played three games since being injured. You obviously think the injury is relevant.
No, you are missing the point. People aren't judging his form based on only these two and half games. Fact is he was playing badly before his injury, he's just continued where he left off. He was poor when he came on against Everton, shit for the whole Euros and generally underwhelming in his first season, bar the opening 5 or so games.
If Smalling came back from his injury with a few bad games it would be different as he was playing great previously, hence he'd be given more slack to catch up to speed and it would be more evident that his form would be down to the injury. With Young there isn't that indication, he looks bereft of confidence more than anything and his fitness doesn't at all seem an issue, his workrate has been good. Plus despite Smalling being injured for far longer his transition back into the team has been largely seamless bar the Benteke assist.
Either of Welbeck and Nani would be better on the left than Young IMO, and I really dislike Danny on the wing. Both of them actually contribute offensively though and try and create something, either by beating a man or playing it forward. Young just slows the play down and kills any momentum by passing it back to Evra or Carrick.
The Euros isn't irrelevant, it's indicative of how good he is and how he's playing. You can't just dismiss it when his performances are being replicated for United. He was no better at the weekend than he was in the summer.
Can't disagree with much of that.
Poborsky, Richardson, Obertan or Bebe didn't cost £17million or get paid £120,000 per week. If you pay that type of fee then you can rightfully expect more.
You dont pay half as much for Poborksy, Richardson, Obertan or Bebe and you dont pay them a third as much in wages
Ashley Young was a big money signing
And he had also produced much more than any of those players ever did. I think the problem is that people have let the Euros cloud their opinion of him. He had a poor tournament, everyone knows that but it has feck all relevance to United and he certainly isn't the first United player to disappoint for England.
The fact of the matter is he had an impressive debut season and has had a long term injury that has meant he's looked a little off form this term. I completely agree about him being our third best winger but you'll struggle to find a third choice winger even close to the quality of Young.
The fact of the matter is he had an impressive debut season and has had a long term injury that has meant he's looked a little off form this term. I completely agree about him being our third best winger but you'll struggle to find a third choice winger even close to the quality of Young.
Up until about a year ago he was England's best winger, and I hoped he would step up when he joined United. I still think he could, but the last year has been mostly disrupted by injuries. Admittedly he was poor at the Euros. And there are alternatives to Young if his form does not improve, like 3 in midfield with a front 3 chosen from Valencia, Rooney, Persie and Chicharito. Bottom line is that he can play a lot better than he has shown since in the last 12 months.
Thats not saying much when his competition for that spot was downing and young. Even now you have a 17 year old and teenagers from the championship being called up just because england dont have any quality wingers.