As bad as each other in my book, Young is just a more elegant human than Carroll.
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As bad as each other in my book, Young is just a more elegant human than Carroll.
You must have hated our club down the years what with Ronaldo diving all the time, Nani with his theatrics. Even Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck have had the odd dive this season.
Bastards aren't we? We obviously don't deserve to win
The thing is, if he wouldnt have a reputation as a diver, I dont think we had 50 new pages in this thread. So he's got to cut it off like Ronaldo and Nani did or else wont get anything in future
No, which makes it all the more stupid by not realizing what you've said.
That's your point, right there. What highlights just how far supporters can switch on their rose tinted glasses? This thread, Ashley Young? No it doesn't. How about you don't make vague and sweeping statements, and then they won't have to be defended. You've added nothing to this thread whatsoever, and I'm certain you haven't even began to read through it, because if you had you would realize your post makes no sense.
Well then surely when he does it against them it's just a bit of a karma?!
As long as the rules allow for diving to hold a greater reward in contrast to the punishment, people will dive... simple as that. I'm not saying it's right of course, just that it happens... and the real villain of the peice is the authorities for allowing the practice to continue relatively unharmed.
The thing is, whatever contact there was could easily have been avoided by Young. For me, it's a blatant dive. He saw the defender hanging a leg out and chose to "trip" over it. Getting hung up on the presence or absence of contact is missing the point a bit. It's not hard to ensure that contact occurs if a player decides to dive to try and win a pen.
It's just fecking embarassing when our players go to ground like that, if it's Ronaldo or Nani or Rooney or Phil Jones(who arguably gets the price for worst dive of the millennium, vs Villa away) makes no difference. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Totally, there is almost always some degree of contact in a challenge.
I always picture Jopub getting pinker and pinker and starting to sweat whenever he posts on here. You can almost hear the furious pounding of the keyboard.
I think its unfortunate that he is now being labelled. However it goes with the territory, he must try and stay on his feet for longer.
He chose the wrong thread to bring out the rose tinted glasses. Young is getting hammered here.
He's never been one to let mundane stuff like facts get in the way of a good rant.
Unfortunate? Inevitable surely? This has been with him his whole career. He is just learning that what he does while registered as a Manchester United player is bigger news than previously.
and defended in some quarters
Not to pick your opinion apart, but I see people getting embarassed by United a bit too frequently these day. I've never been embarrassed by United. Don't know what that says to be honest.
Always going to happen. Take a broader view.
Indeed, it isn't something he has just acquired at United. Bigger club, more attention and all that. The more attention he gets for it, the less likely it is to become a feature of his game.
Not embarassed by United per se - embarassed by players representing United. I don't want players to cheat to gain an advantage, for me that isn't the United way.
I agree, I gave up defending our players dives(seeking contact or simulation) a long long time ago, it's the reaction to Youngs dive that I find bemusing not the validity of the penalty. The thing is every team goes out and makes the most of challenges so I don't really care anymore, as always our players are under the most focus so they naturally get more flak for it but Arsenal, Liverpool Newcastle,Chelsea fans whoever can feck off dishing out criticism as they have players doing the same.
Hold on, I though this thread was highlighting the hypocrisy and embarassing nature of us supporters though? Now it's just some quarters?
I would need to see it again, but if I remember correctly there were two contacts. I believe the first one was more defender to young (which is probably the basis for the penalty) and the second one was more Young to the defender (i.e. He left his leg trailing or moved it into the defender hoping for more “solid” contact if you will).
Like I say I would need to see it again, but I think to label him as diving on this occasion is harsh.
Maybe I should clarify that I define diving to be a player going down when he clearly hasn’t been touched at all (Carroll v Newcastle). Young yesterday went down easily under contact. But the rules don’t state how much force of contact there needs to be to be given a foul.
I agree it looks soft, but it is the rules and therefore a penalty.
It is the 'new United wingers way' this last few years? He will get it ironed out by SAF for the good of the team and club. He dived but what's with the moral crusade? If you are that easily embarrassed you have bigger issues than Ashley Young.
Ive read it through
He was a cheat before he arrived at Old Trafford and no doubt before that he was perceived as one
There's nothing "sweeping" about now that he's in a Utd shirt his actions will get defended and although some of you are not doing that some of you are
You can get as 'technical' as you want - he's always dived and cheated and to defend it after the last couple of nonsences is ridiculous.
What are you so uptight about? just pointing out some of you defend it when it really can't be and it does highlight how how any objectivity goes out of the window when a player changes clubs but carries on doing the same things regardless
It's been the United Way for a good while I reckon. This is a non-issue really. As you've said, Young will go the way of Ronaldo, Rooney and Nani and what is an unfortunate part of his game, will probably disappear next season.
That wasn't your clear from your massive sweeping statement. And if it's only some then why bother making the point at all? There will always be 'some'.
I think you will find that some posters are not necessarily defending Young. But simply not outraged by the act itself. It is hilarious what a big deal is made of what is simply trying to gain an advantage to win a game of football.
The amount of column inches taken up berating the likes of Ashley Young and the huge moral outrage whenever Barcelona are playing Real is feckin ridiculous. You would think these players are committing a serious crime.
Has a Wayne Rooney dive ever sparked such moral outrage? I can't help but feeling a lot of peoples indignation towards Ashley Young is influenced by their opinion of him as a Manchester United footballer then the actual dive in itself.
You're changing your argument with every post. You read 68 pages before you came in and said that this thread was evidence of the rose tinted nature of supporters? No you didn't.
I also don't actually understand a lot of your post, around 60-65%.
Ronaldo was terrible, and got rightfully called up on it - Nani's never been as bad, he's more about pretending to have hurt his back than diving, which to be fair is at least as cringeworthy, albeit not as gamechanging. He's become much, much better at it though, and nowadays he isn't a diver by any means.
I hope SAF will tell him to fecking stop it, because it will cost us when as I said he goes down and should have an important pen but the ref has a think due to it being him.
I'm not on any sort of moral crusade, I just want Young to stop embarassing himself. It's ridicilous going to ground like that, and on top of that it's simply unnecesarry. He could have had a decent shot at goal on both the last two occasions.
I'm sorry, I just don't think it's okay to cheat for an advantage. What's so wrong with that?
Your original post, which doesn't reflect any of your new found points.
There's nothing wrong with it, but it's so very prevalent you must suffer a lot. I agree with your assesment of what happened, I think the reaction is a bit strong though.
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/rooneys-dive-278692/
You could regugitate a lot of quotes and replace Rooney's name with Young and it would match this thread. Course Jopub would still see some form of red tinted glasses from Unite fans in that thread.
I don't suffer a lot, it just annoys me a bit and takes some gloss of what would otherwise be a great day in the title race.
I think there's an element of that. Certainly in the more extreme comments.
Although I guess it's a little unusual to see two such blatant dives rewarded with penalties in two consecutive games. That's bound to attract more of a focus than something which happens every once in a while.
I came on here after the Ajax game and commented on Young's diving, which was terrible.
He's our only consistant diver. He'll go down at least once per match, in an embarassing way, despite not being touched. It doesn't even look natural, so the refs will catch up on it soon.
I like Ashley Young a lot, I think he's a talented player who has the ability to change a game in nearly every way, assist, wonder goal, poached goal, whatever that may be for an attacking player.
I feel if Sir Alex has expressed concerns that Ashley will develop a reputation now the spotlight is far brighter on him at Old Trafford, then we'll see Young tone down the dramatic nature of his play, also, it will depend if the player feels he's let himself down at all. Because at the moment I don't feel inclined to say he's let United down.
I feel if Sir Alex has expressed concerns that Ashley will develop a reputation now the spotlight is far brighter on him at Old Trafford, then we'll see Young tone down the dramatic nature of his play, also, it will depend if the player feels he's let himself down at all. Because at the moment I don't feel inclined to say he's let United down.
