Smashley Young
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How can it be defended?
I'm speechless, I am without speech.
I'm speechless, I am without speech.
Are you talking about the validity of the penalty or Young's spectacular simulation? He clearly caught caught so its a penalty, and he clearly exaggerated the dive.
The daft thing with all this is if Young had stayed on his feet and lost the ball in the second phase he would probably be getting stick for not going down.
Disgraceful dive from a player with a history of it
feck me, it was a foul, but he did make a meal out of it. either way, it should have been a penalty so who gives a feck? I've seen Giggs do some just as bad. West Ham away 09/10 I think when Rooney scored a Hattrick. Might have been Wigan
Rio joining in!
We've lost some points this season and well as the last when refs failed to give us penalties, even when they seemingly had a clear view of it.
I just with Young saved it for the derby
I just with Young saved it for the derby
I agree - people saying he was caught and it was a penalty aren't discounting he made a meal of it as much as people saying how can one see it was not a dive are discounting the validity of the penalty claim.
Wish he wouldn't do it but what happens happens. If he ends up with a LWM then what fecks is he going to give?
Definite peno. But he could have left the theatrics aside. Just a fall would have been enough.
I just with Young saved it for the derby
Have you got a lisp?
So would we prefer Ashley tries his best to avoid that leg, thus breaking his normal stride, risk losing his balance and then losing possession of the ball? He probably won't even get the penalty then, nor a goal scoring opportunity. Well, I'm rather have him going to ground to make sure the ref is aware of the obstruction, however slight it might be.
Thing is, as a defender, if you stick your leg on in those situations, you risk conceding a penalty. I think the media is overcooking this.
Thing is, as a defender, if you stick your leg on in those situations, you risk conceding a penalty. I think the media is overcooking this.
This is exactly the same situation Ronaldo was once in, against Middlesbrough I think, when people said he'd dived, but there had been contact. It's not like there was no contact at all, that would be a dive, then!!
After the controversy of the penalty versus QPR, I was hoping the penny had dropped with Young, but no, it was pathetic.
A half turn with twist and pike 5.9 5.8 5.9 5.7 5.8 5.8
He needs to cut it out and fast , making himself and Manchester United a cheating, laughing stock.
A half turn with twist and pike 5.9 5.8 5.9 5.7 5.8 5.8
He needs to cut it out and fast , making himself and Manchester United a cheating, laughing stock.
With Ashley it's always polemic.
Weird how despite being on the cusp of winning the league, some seemed so obsessed with ridiculing one of our players.
Because it's tarnishing that likely win - it'll be remembered as 'the one Young dived for'.
Nah. Football is full of controversial decisions that are quickly forgotten after a game or two.
All this moralizing...all the cool kids dive. Plus see how Lennon stayed on his feet when he was held back by Luiz - did he get a penalty? No....refs let defenders get away with murder in the penalty box.
So good luck to Young and everyone else that buys a foul. Will I scream and bitch when we're at the end of such a dive? yes. But will the fans from the other team care? No.
So, why should I care now? Plus, if he was in La Liga - he'd be applauded for his expertise in buying a foul.
So good luck to Young and everyone else that buys a foul. Will I scream and bitch when we're at the end of such a dive? yes. But will the fans from the other team care? No.
So, why should I care now? Plus, if he was in La Liga - he'd be applauded for his expertise in buying a foul.
Seeing as people seem to be relishing the righteous indignation, I'd like to throw another example of cheating out there.
In Chelsea's ghost goal last night, Mata will have seen that his shot didn't cross the line. By turning away to celebrate, he was deliberately trying to fool the officials. Should he be burnt at the stake too?
In Chelsea's ghost goal last night, Mata will have seen that his shot didn't cross the line. By turning away to celebrate, he was deliberately trying to fool the officials. Should he be burnt at the stake too?
Football fans and the media are very selective. Mata is a nice guy, no one says something. Same with Messi's handball goal etc. You can cheat in so many ways - diving is just one
He may have convinced himself it went over. Young made a conscious decision to dive. I like Young, just wish this wasn't part of his game.
Im loosing respect for Ashley Young.
He is giving us a bad reputation.
One day, he will be hacked down and we wont get the pen.
He is giving us a bad reputation.
One day, he will be hacked down and we wont get the pen.
This is it. We would beat QPR and Villa at home anyday, but Young's decided he'll take some of the glory away from it.
It takes away from winning, it's silly, unnecesarry, and he'll build his reputation as a serial diver, probably costing us decisions that may have actual impact down the road.
Stop it Young.
Hopefully he can follow the steps of another winger who used to play for us and got a similar reputation while he was with us. He can cut it down and become a very influential player for us, and not many people will remember this issue as well by then, hopefully.
He did what?
I think you'll find he made the most of a clumsy challenge to try to win a penalty. Just like plenty of other United players in the past, including Rooney, Hernandez, Nani and (oh yes) Gary Neville.
I don't see how it takes away from winning and I have no idea what you're on about with all that guff about him "deciding to take some of the glory away". Wtf?
It takes away from winning?
fecksake, I wonder how we've survived this past decade what with Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani and Young and their dives.
That's a really weird reaction to have to it.
fecksake, I wonder how we've survived this past decade what with Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani and Young and their dives.
That's a really weird reaction to have to it.
I've raised the same issue in the faux goal thread in the FF...
For my money, there is little difference between the two acts. Both are trying to con the referee into giving a decision that they know isn't correct.
Just read he has won 8 penalties for us this season. That's insane, shows there is something Ashley Young is consistent at for us this year.
There seems to be a new dimension to all this. Just because I say he dived I don't want him put on some Registered Offenders list, I'm just saying he dived.
I still say that what amazes me is the madness that surrounds diving. This polarity would never occur over a bad tackle.
I still say that what amazes me is the madness that surrounds diving. This polarity would never occur over a bad tackle.
Pogue, stop deluding yourself. The "challenge" was barely a challenge. Young kicks his feet into the standing foot of Clark, partly changing the direction of his run to create contact. It's gamesmanship, and he added a theatrical dive on top of that. Seriously, stop deluding ourselves, that was as clear a dive as you're ever gonna see. It looks ridicilous.
For me, I don't enjoy winning nearly as much when the first goal came as a result of one of our players cheating. That wouldn't be a pen if Young didn't decide to kick his foot into Clark's, and leave his trailing leg. How some of you can defend that is incomprehensible for me.
I guess this is where we've come in the modern game, supporters defending that sort of cheating blindly. Had that been Suarez against us, I'd love to see the reaction on here.
One thing is for certain... you have to appreciate the sheer audacity of the man. Not only does he take a dive against his former club, he also does it the very week after already being heavily criticised for diving!
That my friends is dedication to your art... and a commitment to your principles that we should all admire.
That my friends is dedication to your art... and a commitment to your principles that we should all admire.
At least SAF has come out and publicly said he's going down too easily, so let's hope he cuts down on it. There's really no need for it.
I really don't like seeing it, and while other players dive, it's made a bigger issue when it's a United player involved, so let's not give the feckers anymore ammunition than they already have.
I will say though that the comment made by Ryan Taylor is wrong. He said that Young is the biggest cheat in the league. I'm sorry but while Luis Suarez is in this league, nobody can top him.
I really don't like seeing it, and while other players dive, it's made a bigger issue when it's a United player involved, so let's not give the feckers anymore ammunition than they already have.
I will say though that the comment made by Ryan Taylor is wrong. He said that Young is the biggest cheat in the league. I'm sorry but while Luis Suarez is in this league, nobody can top him.
I made this post in the matchday thread, when Rooney had a shot on goal not that long after Young's theatrics.
The ball was in space in the box & it was odds on that if he had played the ball & taken a shot on goal it would have gone in.
We don't have to play like that against Aston Villa, we'd have beaten them anyway, I'm sure of that.
Against Shitty however? feck 'em, beat 'em any way we can I won't be annoyed if we get decisions against them.
The ball was in space in the box & it was odds on that if he had played the ball & taken a shot on goal it would have gone in.
We don't have to play like that against Aston Villa, we'd have beaten them anyway, I'm sure of that.
Against Shitty however? feck 'em, beat 'em any way we can I won't be annoyed if we get decisions against them.
Okay.
Would you prefer beating Aston Villa 4-0 with the first goal coming as a result of blatant cheating - or would you prefer beating them 4-0 without any controversy?
If you pick option two, then you agree that it does take away from winning. How much it takes away is a different discussion, of course. I think petestorey is spot on - Villa and QPR will be the matches that "Young dived to win a pen" for most, me included.
Agreed. Far too much focus is attributed to diving. It's an unfortunate part of the game that will always be there, but I've seen bigger reactions to a dive than a leg-breaker, consistently.
The clumsy challenge involved Young standing on the defender's foot then throwing himself to the ground. Young actually chose to run to the defender rather than follow the ball. I don't know how anyone can say that it wasn't a dive. Whether you view it as a heinous crime against the spirit of football or just clever play that's part of the game is another debate but it was not a foul by the defender, if anything it was a foul on the defender!
Impeding doesn't have to be stopping. If it hinders him in anyway it is impeding. If Young's balance is in any way affected then it is an impediment.
His balance would probably not have been hindered had he gone for the ball, which was actually in a slightly different direction than Clark, instead of kicking his feet into Clark's foot.